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68Charger
Nice, we're going to blame voters for not voting for your favorite? They can only vote based on the information publicly available, which wasn't very pretty- he tried to blame a "research assistant" for the plagiarism, but when backed into a corner, he gives back the $300,000 as a settlement- just getting $300,000 to write a paper about a lake is a bit fishy (pun intended) in the first place, IMHO.
That's a pretty big thing to put aside... basically fraud- the "research assistant" didn't get $300,000 for the paper, and his name wasn't on it... don't put your name on publications that you don't know the source of.
Yes, he was polling pretty high before the little accusations were made public... then he plummeted pretty fast.
I'd say he owns it- he screwed up... maybe he was tricked, maybe it was a left-wing conspiracy to get some dirt on him, blackmail him later... even if that's true, he took the bait 100%.
Not for my favorite, but as William F Buckley would say, "Vote for the most conservative candidate that can win". I do believe that McInnis still had a shot at winning. Secondly, McInnis had a two year fellowship with the Hassan foundation, he was paid 150,00 a year. Part of the fellowship was to write the papers. It is far from out of the ordinary for anybody to write a paper and rely heavily on research assistants. In academia, in politics, in business, anywhere. He realized a mistake he made and tried to save face. I don't really know how we got onto this tangent but it's off topic.
Politics as usual- not controlling or managing the infighting is another thing I'd put on the back of the GOP... they didn't see it coming... you can't control the press, pesky 1st amendment... if McInnis was more favorable than Maes during the plagiarism "stuff", then why did he lose the primary? I won't pretend to know Tancredo's motives like you do- I don't know him...
You can't be serious when you say you want the GOP to control candidates. We get upset when the GOP establishment picks our candidates. We got mad when Penry was forced out by the GOP and now you want them to control candidates? Not only is it ridiculous to think the GOP can actually control candidates but we don't want them to in the first place.
Secondly, I don't claim to know Tancredo's motives. However, I do not think he's paid by the left or any other wild conspiracy like that. I do think that he is self absorbed and thinks he's hot shit. I mean that's pretty obvious, look at his 08 Presidential run.
You keep insisting that I'm a Tancredo supporter- he's just the "lesser of the evils" that are on the ballot. If the GOP's candidates could have behaved themselves he wouldn't stand any chance, probably would have never entered the election, and we wouldn't be in this mess.
I didn't mean you as in YOU, I meant it generally speaking. I should have said: "No matter how bad people want Tanc to win he's not going to"
Here we go blaming the voters again- he & the committee were given a job to do, how's that working out?
GOP voters have every single opportunity to elect all of them and Dick was reelected last year even though everybody seems to hate the guy. My point is this, stop blaming everybody else. The citizen has way more influence than one might think. Did you go to the caucuses the past few years? Were you a delegate to your county and state convention?
The committee has very little to do with actually getting Republicans elected. Frankly I'm not sure what the hell they do other than help raise funds, campaigns are largely run internally or with help from a consultant.
I've never said nor implied that Wadham "orchestrated" this one- that's a totally new theory to me... Bottom line- the Colorado GOP committee was given the job to put a candidate in office- right now it looks like they failed.
A lot of people blame Wadhams for this one because they think he orchestrated the early stages of the primary with Penry etc.
and that's not a very pretty "reality"- but that's where it appears to be going... because the GOP ran a crappy campaign with candidates that couldn't convince the public they could be trusted... at least in the gubernatorial race.
The state party has very little to do with any candidate and they do not run the big time campaigns, they don't even have much influence there and that's the point. Sure they might help out with some state legislatures and they have phone banks but they did not run McInnis' nor Maes campaign. Nor Bucks, Norton, Coffman, Frazier, Fallon, Bailey, Tipton, Gardner, Lamborn etc etc etc. They do have money but the orchestrate things on smaller levels.
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