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    Default A Cop's Advice on Dealing with Cops

    Nothing against LEO's, just information I saw and thought it was interesting.

    Article/Slideshow about this subject. Looks like it might be a decent video to order too. (not promoting, just FYI)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neill-...7.html#s182292

    As a 33-year law enforcement veteran and former training commander with the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department, I know how easy it is to intimidate citizens into answering incriminating questions or letting me search through their belongings. This reality might make things easier for police looking to make an easy arrest, but it doesn't always serve the interests of justice. That's why I believe all citizens should understand how to protect their constitutional rights and make smart decisions when dealing with officers of the law.
    Unfortunately, this important information has remained largely unavailable to the public, despite growing concerns about police misconduct and the excesses of the war on drugs. For this reason, I agreed to serve as a technical consultant for the important new film, 10 Rules for Dealing with Police. The 40-minute docudrama aims to educate the public about basic legal and practical survival strategies for handling even the scariest police encounters. It was produced by the civil liberties group Flex Your Rights and is narrated by former federal judge and acclaimed Baltimore trial lawyer William "Billy" Murphy, Jr.
    The opening scene portrays Darren, a young black man getting pulled over. He's driving home from college. This is the fifth time he's been pulled over in a year. Frustrated and scared, Darren immediately breaks Rule #1: Always Be Calm & Cool. Mouthing off to the officer, Darren aggressively exits the car and slams the door. The officer overreacts, dropping Darren with a taser shot to his chest.
    Should the officer have tased Darren in that situation? Probably not. Would the officer likely be disciplined? No. But that's not the main point of 10 Rules. The point is that the choices you make during the course of such encounters have a massive impact on whether it ends with a simple warning, a tasing -- or worse. This is true even if you've done nothing illegal.
    While being calm and cool is key to getting the best possible outcome, it's not enough to keep police from violating your constitutional rights. For example, when the officer commandingly asks Darren "You're not hiding any AK-47s in there? You don't mind if I take a look?", Darren gets tricked like most people do.
    Intimidated and unaware of other options, he consents to the search. The officer carelessly dumps his bags, accidentally shattering Darren's laptop on the asphalt. In another "what if" scenario, the officer finds a small amount of marijuana hidden away. While someone else might have left it there, Darren winds up getting arrested.
    What few people understand, but police know all too well, is that your constitutional rights only apply if you understand and assert them. Unless they have strong evidence (i.e. probable cause) police need your permission to search your belongings or enter your home. The instant you grant them permission to invade your privacy, many of your legal protections go out the window and you're left on the hook for anything illegal the police find, as well as any damage they cause in the process.
    Of course, even if you know your basic rights, police officers are trained to shake your confidence. If you refuse a search, I might respond by threatening to call in a drug-sniffing dog and sternly reminding you that things will go much easier if you cooperate. Creating a sense of hopelessness for the suspect enables us to break down their defenses and gain compliance. In the film, we show several variations on these common threats, but the main lesson is that it doesn't matter what the officer says; you still have to remain calm and protect your rights.
    In today's world of smart phone video, YouTube and Twitter, stories of police abuse travel fast, creating greater awareness of the problem of police misconduct. Unfortunately, this heightened awareness often serves to reinforce the notion that "cops can do whatever they want." It's true that much work remains to be done towards ensuring police accountability, but the very first step is to educate the public about basic constitutional rights.
    Citizens who understand their rights are much less likely to experience negative outcomes, both on the street and in a court of law. Until each of us has the ability to protect our individual rights and recognize injustices against others, we're not likely to accomplish much in the realm of broader policy reform.
    I hope 10 Rules for Dealing with Police will be embraced by parents, teachers, activists, and even police departments as we work towards reducing the tension that too often characterizes the relationship between cops and the communities they serve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnihcraes View Post
    I hope 10 Rules for Dealing with Police will be embraced by parents, teachers, activists, and Disregarded by police departments as we work towards Smoothing over the tension that too often characterizes the relationship between cops and the communities they Terrorize.

    Fixed it for you


    Just kidding, Some VERY good information here.
    Not all LEOs are self-important abusive pricks.
    Not all Citizens are Criminals.

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    This lecture series is one of the best presentations on dealing with law enforcement that I have ever watched. You don't need ten rules when one will do. The most important rule is: "Don't talk to the police."

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...22229458915912

    If the link doesn't work, you can google "Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

    I share this as someone who knows.

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    Sad as it is I got a lesson from my dad when I was a kid

    My dad is a lawyer with 30+ years under his belt
    I was a kid who did the usual dumb shit but nothing too serious

    He said "whatever happens, whatever they pull you over for, don't say a thing much beyond "good evening sir" in the beginning, if they ask you for anything, just say "I would like to call my lawyer" and they will be pissed, but just do it, because they are out there to catch you for something and they will lie to you if they need too."

    Mind you, he isn't anti-cop, nor am I, but the simple fact of the matter is, the consequences are too high to mess around with it.


    This came in real handy once, and I believed it from then on

    I was coming back to AZ from Mexico and they had a "drug sniffing" dog. thing walked by a friend and I several times, eventually sat down next to us, which was its tell. We didn't have a thing on us beyond some stupid hats and burritos quickly turning to poop. They took us into a back room and asked a ton of questions and tried to scare us pretty well. Asked to call my lawyer, said I had nothing, lo and behold, we get let go. No more questions, just knew we couldn't be scared into saying anything. To this day, I don't think that dog could smell a thing, they were probably just looking for people to react and had it sit next to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMat View Post
    Sad as it is I got a lesson from my dad when I was a kid

    My dad is a lawyer with 30+ years under his belt
    I was a kid who did the usual dumb shit but nothing too serious

    He said "whatever happens, whatever they pull you over for, don't say a thing much beyond "good evening sir" in the beginning, if they ask you for anything, just say "I would like to call my lawyer" and they will be pissed, but just do it, because they are out there to catch you for something and they will lie to you if they need too."

    Mind you, he isn't anti-cop, nor am I, but the simple fact of the matter is, the consequences are too high to mess around with it.

    So you are saying, when the officer pulls you over for speeding and says, "Can I have your license, registration, and proof of insurance?" Your response is, "I would like to call my lawyer."

    ??????????????????????????????????


    This came in real handy once, and I believed it from then on

    I was coming back to AZ from Mexico and they had a "drug sniffing" dog. thing walked by a friend and I several times, eventually sat down next to us, which was its tell. We didn't have a thing on us beyond some stupid hats and burritos quickly turning to poop. They took us into a back room and asked a ton of questions and tried to scare us pretty well. Asked to call my lawyer, said I had nothing, lo and behold, we get let go. No more questions, just knew we couldn't be scared into saying anything. To this day, I don't think that dog could smell a thing, they were probably just looking for people to react and had it sit next to us.

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    sure, if everytime you get pulled over for speeding, you tell them you want to call your lawyer, it will work out fine?!? only if they want to detain/arrest you. you dont have to answer any questions when you get pulled over for speeding. hand them your license/ registration/ poi, and sit quietly. start demanding a lawyer during a speeding ticket, see how that works out.

    but, i am a firm believer in not talking to the leo. never volunteer information, basically when you are talking to anyone. unless it the hot chick at your local bar, and you drop the fact that you are a space shuttle door gunner. but thats different.

    shut your pie hole. it will work out better for you.

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    I just noticed that somehow my response to BIG Matt ended up embedded within the qoute. Wow, I feel stupid, I should proof read more often.


    You can ask for a lawyer all you want on a traffic stop, you will probably still get a ticket. The only two things that have to occur for you to have a lawyer are 1. Being arrested (not free to leave) for a crime and 2. Having direct questions being asked to the arrestee about the crime.

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    having a "I'm a good guy" card really helps, at least in el paso county.

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    I have to be honest. I hate tickets, and if you have a CCW, tell me that you have one, and are super nice...I really feel bad about writing a ticket and most likely will give a warning.


    Obviously that doesn't work with every crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elhuero View Post
    having a "I'm a good guy" card really helps, at least in el paso county.
    Do you mean CCW or some other ID?
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