That's hilariousOriginally Posted by OneGuy67
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That's hilarious
Actually, it is two beers. Always two beers. Even those who don't speak English can manage to say they had two beers.
If the officer smells alcohol and you deny drinking, yeppers, you is going to be asked to walk the imaginary line. One beer, two beer, three beer...don't matter.
It's funny...during my time as a patrol officer, I made over 500 DUI arrests and a large amount of those people stated they didn't feel drunk. These were people who were well over over the .08 BrAC for DUI and over the .10 BrAC that was in place during the majority of my patrol time.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
A wise man once said "A closed mouth gathers no foot".
I will continue my policy of being polite and cooperative in dealing with LEOs, but I won't offer up any information that is not required, other than perhaps my CCW permit. If he feels he has sufficient cause to search my vehicle, he should be able to convince a judge to sign off on a search warrant. I rarely drink, and if I do, I don't drive, so no issue there.
hardy har-harRealistically, I can't answer that question without more questions.
First, why am I searching?
Second, was the vehicle or the driver involved in a criminal activity?
Third, what is the criminal history of the owner/driver?
Fourth, are all the firearms, legal firearms?
So, I'm going to assume I know what Byte is asking; he was stopped for a traffic violation, gave consent to search, isn't a convicted felon and there aren't any illegal controlled substances in the vehicle. In this situation, I would probably clear the serial numbers of the firearms to determine if they have been reported stolen and barring that, I would return Byte's documents to him and wish him a good day (maybe write a ticket...it is Byte after all)
my point, more to the point, is; when was the last time you pulled someone over and after running background and plates, etc. walked up to return the license, registration and POI and asked:
"Do you have a tunafish sandwich or any Grey Poupon in the car?"
"Do you have a Donut or any other pastries in the car?"
But I tell you what... I have yet get pulled over and the cop doesnt ask if I have any drugs or alcohol or Guns.
Hint: NEVER reply, "got a fishing license?"
They get really nasty with the taser
Very true. Everyone here has been at a BBQ or party where some piss-drunk fool won't listen to anyone and keeps saying "I'm not drunk, man!" It never fails.
I think what I'm supposed to do, say, I am going to the gun range with gun's in the car in Maryland. A LEO pulls me over, I stay in the car with my hands on the wheel. I'm supposed to say to him that I have secured firearms on board. Unless he has probable cause to search my car other than seeing or smelling drugs or booze, or a suspect in a crime, like a naked firearm on the front or back seat. By saying that I have secured firearms means that I have the gun's in a closed case. If then, the LEO asks me if he can search my car, my rightful response would be to tell that LEO that he needs permission from his commanding officer to search my car.
Erno
That's the thing with criminals, most are dumb and the dumbest ones sometimes answer "yes" to those questions. Makes easy work of catching them.
Vehicle's are tricky in that regard, due to their mobility. The search warrant you mention isn't out of the realm of possibility, but the reality of the situation is, he is going to search without it, if he has P.C. Everything after that is the purvue of the court and all those lawyers everyone hates, but has on speed dial.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
I can't comment on the gun laws in Maryland. I don't know them.
Here in COLORADO, I would say if you aren't a felon, if the firearms are lawful firearms and you don't have a round in the chamber of non-handguns, there isn't going to be an issue if the officer does search the vehicle. The question would be why the officer is searching the vehicle. Even telling the officer you have them in the vehicle in that manner and refusing a search isn't going to have you sitting on the curb wearing metal bracelets. The officer has to develop probable cause that a crime is about to occur, is occuring or will soon be occuring.
If the officer asks permission to search the vehicle, you can say no. Simple. No. The officer can ask if he could look at the firearms and you can say no.
One question, why do you think he need his commanding officer's permission to do his job?
Add to the fire, your thought of having a "naked firearm in the front or back seat"...what is a naked firearm? You can have a visible or concealed firearm in your vehicle and not violate any concealed carry law (Here in Colorado).
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
wow...
totally Missed that didn't we?
Why Yes officer, I have a Bottle of pills, 2 cases of Booze, a .45 ACP in my Pocket and 4 rifles.
It's still not a crime.
Yet they will use that as the "Probable cause" to dismantle your shit on the side of the road for you to reassemble when they are done.
"Its the letter of the law." Northglenn PD
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