This country is so done.

[BPTactical]

The future defenders of our freedoms and liberties. Great.

^This!
It seems that so many of the younger people have no issue if our Constitutional rights are applied on an "As Needed" basis for their own benefit or infringed upon to suit the whim of our Government.
It seems that so many only think of what THEIR wants and needs are and not what is best for the whole. The election of 2008 is a perfect example. There were many, many examples of young voters saying "Obama is going to this for me" and they did not think about the consequences to the whole.
We now see the wisdom of that mindset.
Go back to my post with the Frog analogy. Our rights are being slowly being taken away incrementally.
What will you think when they are gone?
The rights within our Constitution are not granted by our Government. They are God given as defined by our Founders. No person and or Government has the right to take them from us.
The 4th has tried in the SCOTUS and they made it perfectly clear: Our bodies are wholly ours and ours alone. No person regardless of who they are employed by has the right to search ones person unless: they grant consent or are suspected of committing a crime. There is a specific statement in regards to Government employees and although I do not recall the exact quote it stated that they were not allowed to search without a warrant.
What the TSA is doing is illegal-Period

As stated earlier are we going to have to be subjected to searches when we are driving to Wisconsin to go fishing for a week?
Things continue at the current rate, maybe.

Perhaps I would have a different view if TSA was actually accomplishing something. As Stu noted they have caught precisely ZERO bad guys.
Don't try to tell me that it is for our collective security when our southern and northern borders are wide open.


How many hundreds of thousands have given their lives to protect our freedoms and rights?
For us to now willingly allow those rights to be infringed upon is a direct affront to those that have given their all and to those that have served.

We owe them more than that.


BTW- I have very little faith in our future until Gen X really "Gets it"

[Ryan_Th3_K1d]

The 4th has tried in the SCOTUS and they made it perfectly clear: Our bodies are wholly ours and ours alone. No person regardless of who they are employed by has the right to search ones person unless: they grant consent or are suspected of committing a crime. There is a specific statement in regards to Government employees and although I do not recall the exact quote it stated that they were not allowed to search without a warrant.

What the TSA is doing is illegal-Period

lol, just disproved your own point. It's not illegal because people are giving their consent!

[Driftwood]

lol, just disproved your own point. It's not illegal because people are giving their consent!

When people opt out of the scans they then get body searched and groped, no other option (unless they don't want to fly). They don't give consent for that.

Do you work for the TSA? Serious question.

[Ryan_Th3_K1d]

No, I do not work for the TSA, nor do I know anyone that does. I just think that all this fuss about it is much to do about nothing. I also think people that use this as an example of why our country is going in the wrong direction are over reacting. People are not being forced to fly, if you don't want to be scanned or searched then DON'T FLY.

When people opt out of the scans they then get body searched and groped, no other option (unless they don't want to fly). They don't give consent for that.

bingo, it's simple if don't give your consent then u don't fly period! I don't see anywhere where people are being handcuffed searched then put on a plane against their will.

btw, LOVE your avatar...wish that show didn't end.

[OneGuy67]

I really don't want to wade in here...

The only point I would make to this discussion is to remind everyone that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written as limitations on GOVERNMENT, not private entities.

I could if I wanted to, own a bar and install a metal detector and security in the entrance and you would be required to go through it if you wanted to drink in my bar. That is a right of a private business, if they so choose and not a violation of your rights.

You as the citizen, have the right to not patronize my bar and take your business elsewhere if you so choose.

Personally, it would be a stupid business move as there are numerous other similar ventures that a person could spend their money in, rather than mine.

When it comes to quasi-government entities such as the TSA, it does leave me with a bad taste in my mouth, as they are federal (public) employees working for the benefit of the private industry (airlines), although the government has said it has a vested interest in the safety and security of the flying public. I would be happier if the airlines took care of the security of their own aircraft, but what if their means (as a collective whole) were more invasive? Where is the line?

I say this just as a point of pondering as my personal belief is, the TSA and all their security is window dressing for the public to feel safe in flying and the only things done that would ensure the protection of the aircraft from being a flying missile or hijacked for ransom have already been done in the form of securing the cockpit door and arming the pilots.

[SAnd]

When people opt out of the scans they then get body searched and groped, no other option (unless they don't want to fly). They don't give consent for that.

Once you're in the line there are no options. The policy is you get searched if you get in the line. So if you opt out of the scan they get to grope you even if you change your mind and say you aren't getting on the airplane.

TSA claims this is to prevent testing the system.

[Irving]

Once you're in the line there are no options. The policy is you get searched if you get in the line. So if you opt out of the scan they get to grope you even if you change your mind and say you aren't getting on the airplane.

TSA claims this is to prevent testing the system.

Don't forget about the $11,000 fine!

[Driftwood]

Once you're in the line there are no options. The policy is you get searched if you get in the line. So if you opt out of the scan they get to grope you even if you change your mind and say you aren't getting on the airplane.

TSA claims this is to prevent testing the system.

I did not know this, I stand corrected.