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    Quote Originally Posted by clublights View Post
    Apperently I'm about to get flamed for this...................


    I don't see what's wrong..

    She DID Ask for UNpaid leave. I can see the uproar if she was demanding to get paid leave.

    It is a technical violation of the EEO act.

    Letter of the law says they were supposed to let her do it .......... a nearly 50 year old law at that. has nothing to do with obama.

    well if thats the case then I have at least 3 causes for suit.

    Unfortunately they can deny any leave except FEMLA.
    If the unpaid leave would cause undue hardship, they can deny it (as I understand it) so long as it is NOT based on religious or ethnic reasons.
    ie: Reason denied is, you are (whatever)
    Can you imagine if everyone at the hospital took off for a religious holiday?


    I kinda want her to win her case.
    Imagine all of the service members, Civilians overseas not allowed to celebrate their religious holiday with their family.
    There will be so many lawsuits, They will have to increase your taxes to more than your income.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clublights View Post
    Apperently I'm about to get flamed for this...................


    I don't see what's wrong..

    She DID Ask for UNpaid leave. I can see the uproar if she was demanding to get paid leave.

    It is a technical violation of the EEO act.

    Letter of the law says they were supposed to let her do it .......... a nearly 50 year old law at that. has nothing to do with obama.
    The EEO act has no authority over the situation at hand. The School isn't discriminating against the woman because she's Muslim, they are discriminating against the fact that she wants to take time off, for an event that her religion participates in. It's no different than the fact that if I am a Christian, but scheduled to work Sunday's (when worship takes place), then I am expected to work Sundays, period.

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    Religious Discrimination & Reasonable Accommodation:
    The law requires an employer or other covered entity to reasonably accommodate an employee’s religious beliefs or practices, unless doing so would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer's business. This means an employer may be required to make reasonable adjustments to the work environment that will allow an employee to practice his or her religion.

    Straight from the EEOC website. Seems to me that having to pay a substitute for 3 weeks, in order for this lady to take her trip, would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of that employer's business, especially if that school/district is already hurting financially (which most of them are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurley842002 View Post
    Straight from the EEOC website. Seems to me that having to pay a substitute for 3 weeks, in order for this lady to take her trip, would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of that employer's business, especially if that school/district is already hurting financially (which most of them are).
    UNPAID LEAVE. she Asked for UNPAID LEAVE.

    which means she was not getting paid. your telling a sub makes more then a teacher ? ... Some how I doubt it .

    She asked for two years in a row ....... then quit... and now the lawsuit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by linked article
    "violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by failing to reasonably accommodate her religious practices"
    Hmm. Let me see, once they stopped calling it "Christmas" and started calling it "holiday", the federal government failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Once all of the nativity scenes who ordered removed from "public" (as in yours and mine) property, they failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Once the 10 Commandments were ordered removed from courtrooms, they failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Oh, but I suppose it's okay to violate this law as it applies to/protects you if you're a Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clublights View Post
    UNPAID LEAVE. she Asked for UNPAID LEAVE.

    which means she was not getting paid. your telling a sub makes more then a teacher ? ... Some how I doubt it .

    She asked for two years in a row ....... then quit... and now the lawsuit....
    Ok you got me on the UNPAID LEAVE thing. It still doesn't change the fact that if a teacher being gone for nearly a month, places more than a minimal burden on the School, then they can deny her.

    (taken from one of the comments on the link I posted, I just happen to agree)
    Teachers are told to keep vacations until the summer when you have several months off - she violates her contract and the government sues our own school anyway. This teacher tries to take almost a month off during the school year and the government sues the school b/c they won't let her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    Hmm. Let me see, once they stopped calling it "Christmas" and started calling it "holiday", the federal government failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Once all of the nativity scenes who ordered removed from "public" (as in yours and mine) property, they failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Once the 10 Commandments were ordered removed from courtrooms, they failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Oh, but I suppose it's okay to violate this law as it applies to/protects you if you're a Christian.
    ^^^^ this is the original issue I was HOT about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    Hmm. Let me see, once they stopped calling it "Christmas" and started calling it "holiday", the federal government failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Once all of the nativity scenes who ordered removed from "public" (as in yours and mine) property, they failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Once the 10 Commandments were ordered removed from courtrooms, they failed to reasonably accommodate MY religious practices.

    Oh, but I suppose it's okay to violate this law as it applies to/protects you if you're a Christian.
    That's not the muslims fault... it's the damn atheists ( which some would call ME .. I more just don't care .. do what ya wanna do when it comes to god and what not )

    I do understand your point tho ....

    Also as for taking the summer to go .. well they are supposed to do the Hajj on the 12th day of the 12th month of the lunar calendar.......... sure she could go in the summer .. but that would be like having your family do christmas in march ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by clublights View Post
    Apperently I'm about to get flamed for this...................


    I don't see what's wrong..

    She DID Ask for UNpaid leave. I can see the uproar if she was demanding to get paid leave.

    It is a technical violation of the EEO act.

    Letter of the law says they were supposed to let her do it .......... a nearly 50 year old law at that. has nothing to do with obama.
    That is not the part that bothers me.
    Why is the USDOJ spending so much time suing and persecuting States, Cities and in this case a school district?
    As far as this school case is this not the turf of the ACLU?
    Arizona 1070-sued em.
    Montana and Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act-sued em.
    Can't remember the town in Nebraska but they wanted to verify citizenship before renting etc-sued em.
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    If I used the date converter correctly-

    The Hajj ends on August 24 in 2018. I happens earlier every year. In 2020 it ends August 14.

    Is it reasonable to ask her to wait that long to take it when school is out?

    Does she really need 3 weeks? The actual Hajj dates are only 4 days long.

    I also wonder if she could have transferred to a summer class or something that would have left her have the time off.

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