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ldmaster,
you me and OneGuy67 need to go have a Beer at the old man in Broomfield one evening.
you sounds as pessimistic as I do.
OK, Almost as much as I do
LMK fellas - I'm in!Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
ldmaster,
you me and OneGuy67 need to go have a Beer at the old man in Broomfield one evening.
you sounds as pessimistic as I do.
OK, Almost as much as I do
[Hey it's my thread...]
ldmaster, thanks for those posts. That was some real "eye opening" information that you furnished. I'll certainly be very careful with my Spyderco POLICE model.
Idmaster:
Your quotes are not completely accurate and I would ask you to put all the information out if you are going to provide it.
One, county's don't use municipal code; from the name, municipality, they are offenses codified by a home rule city. A statutory city follows state statute only. Counties can and do have ordinances. The offenses may be spelled out one way or the other in municipal code, but are reported by NIBRS (National Incident Based Reporting System) coding. This coding allows for all the different types of agencies with different language to properly report their incidents to the CBI, who then forwards it to the FBI. If interested, look up NIBRS and you'll see how many different codes there are for very similar incidents. That information is collected and the UCR is generated. Not every agency in Colorado reports their incidences (crime stats) to CBI. Go to CBI's website if you want to see what this looks like. FBI's as well.
Two, Denver does have a length limit as listed in the below sections. "A flick of the finger" isn't in the municipal ordinance. See them listed at the end of this rant. Please be accurate, especially if you are quoting something as gospel.
Three, please stop perpetuating the myth that there are quotas in law enforcement. The only agency I've been aware of having such a thing is the CSP and they are required to have a specific amount of stops per hour. It doesn't say citations, it says stops. That's not to say that a CSP Trooper won't write their own mother, but that's a rant for another thread. Staying busy, showing activity doesn't necessarily mean writing tickets. Your agency have quotas? PM me and let me know which agency. I'd be interested in knowing that.
Four, Municode.com is a service provided for payment for organization of municipal and county ordinances. There are 25 cities and 2 counties in Colorado that subscribe to their service out of 271 municipalities and 64 counties. All home rule cities have their own municipal codes, which do allow the writing of offenses into their smaller municipal courts and do keep revenue generated by them. However, municode.com doesn't appear to assist in writing any ordinances. Most ordinances are written by the legal arm of the city or county, city attorney, county attorney and they do tend to utilize language that has passed muster in courts. That's why you usually will see mirror language to state statute or a neighboring agencies language. Additionally, most of the municipalities, especially in the Denver area, have the same law firm they use as a city attorney and language used in one city is usually generated for another city.
Five, municipal courts are limited to the maximum fine of $1,000.00 period. Not five $1,000.00 fines. CRS:
13-10-113. Fines and penalties.
(1) Any person convicted of violating a municipal ordinance in a municipal court of record may be incarcerated for a period not to exceed one year or fined an amount not to exceed one thousand dollars, or both.
Sixth, Denver successfully defended their municipal ordinance that has tighter restrictions on gun related items so far. The Colorado state law has been successfully challenged by different municipalities regarding certain aspects pertaining to their conflicting ordinances. In City and County of Denver v. State, No. 03 CV 3809 (Colo. Dist. Ct. Nov 5, 2004), upheld Denver’s ordinances addressing the open carrying of firearms, the banning of assault weapons and junk or “Saturday night special” guns, and the open carrying in city parks. A similar court decision in Aurora Gun Club v. City and County of Denver, No. 3 CV 8609, reached similar conclusions. Denver, Vail, and Boulder have prohibitions on assault weapons and Denver and Vail have prohibitions on large capacity (over 21 rounds) detachable magazines. Denver and Broomfield have prohibitions and regulations on firearms on public property and the open carrying of firearms in any park, parkway, mountain park or other recreational facility.
Seventh...crap. Tell you what. I'm going to stop because I don't want to sound as though I'm attacking another officer on this forum. I realize Denver and the Denver PD are their own strange little world and things that go on there that don't fly anywhere else in this state.
I apologize if it sounds as though I am attacking you, Idmaster. It isn't my intention. I do not like mis-information being put out on a public forum that someone will read and might get into trouble for following. That's it.
Sec. 38-117. - Dangerous or deadly weapons—Prohibitions.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person, except a law enforcement officer in the performance of duty, to wear under their clothes, or concealed about their person any dangerous or deadly weapon, including, but not by way of limitation, any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, air gun, gas operated gun, spring gun, sling shot, blackjack, nunchaku, brass knuckles or artificial knuckles of any substance whatsoever, or any switchblade knife, gravity knife, or any knife having a blade greater than three and one-half (3½inches in length, or any explosive device, incendiary device or bomb, or other dangerous or deadly weapon.
Sec. 38-119. - Certain knives unlawful.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, display, use, possess, carry or transport any knife or instrument having the appearance of a pocket knife, the blade of which can be opened by a flick of a button, pressure on the handle, or other mechanical contrivance.
(b)
Any such knife is hereby declared to be a dangerous or deadly weapon within the meaning of section 38-117.
(c)
In addition to any other penalty imposed by lawful authority, every person convicted of any violation of this section shall be required to forfeit any such knife to the city.
(Code 1950, § 845.3)
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
And...I would be up for this!ldmaster,
you me and OneGuy67 need to go have a Beer at the old man in Broomfield one evening.
you sounds as pessimistic as I do.
OK, Almost as much as I do
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
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