constititional carry rejected

[glocklp]

Its not about the money. Well actually it is. Its just dumb to pay for a background check again. And some people are laid off work, the gas prices and economy is crap. They desrve to be allowed to defend themselves as well.

[hurley842002]

It's $0.08 a day for a CCW permit.

I'd rather go at it backwards and make it so that the level of background check dictates the cost, not the end use. My CCW instructor said the CCW background check is the same as the one for casino employees, and the CCW is multiples more expensive. Make it more expensive for them to make us jump thru hoops and they will give us Free Carry to save them money.

I'd rather them amend the CCW law to allow SBRs, and while we are on the subject, protect my constitutional rights to SBRs and Suppressors by making CLEO sign-off a "shall issue" instead of "No way in Hell or Denver". You guys bitch about $150, its $600 to set up a NFA trust that won't imperil your anal virginity if the BATFE takes a sudden dislike to WillMaker.

Or get it so that Permit holders aren't entered into CCIC, a statewide database for criminals.

I'm just fine financially, so I am only speaking for folks I know (specifically women), that would love to be able to slip their small .380 or .38 snubbie, into their purses, when they go out to the grocery store. They cannot afford a "measly" $150, because they are literally scraping pennies every month to support their child/children. So while on one end, your obviously well enough off to be dreaming about SBRs and Suppressors, there are folks on the other end, that simply want to protect themselves while out in public. Not such a hard concept to understand.

[Bailey Guns]

Already being discussed in Legislation & Politics.

[glocklp]

Well hopefull next year?

[Clint45]

they are so worried that criminals would carry guns........ like they dont already.

In my last job I spent a lot of time walking around areas like the 16th Street Mall, Colfax and Broadway, and East Colfax.

You are right. Many criminals carry guns. A lot of them are full sized automatic pistols that aren't even in a holster -- just stuck in their waistband with an oversized shirt pulled over it, and they print like hell. And I'm fairly certain those teenaged gangbangers don't have valid permits either.

When I walked around Five Points, Whittier, Park Hill, and Aurora I didn't see it so much, but right in the middle of Denver where it is saturated with police patrols? The gangbangers are walking around with guns printing like they do it every day and don't have any worries, and the cops just seem to ignore it as far as I can tell.

[Tweety Bird]

Well hopefull next year?

Won't happen next year because the same bunch who voted it down today, will be there next year, too. IOW, the Dims will still run the Senate.

And two years hence, even if we take control of the Senate, ChickenPooper will still be the GUV.

This won't pass in the Statehouse until the Dims lose controls of both halves of the legislature, and we put a non-Dim in the governor's mansion.

I hate to be a naysayer, but reality bombs can be a bitch. Getting this passed is a long order, indeed. But it's gotta start somewhere.

[Dusty Johnson]

Yeah, if you can't afford to get a permit, you don't deserve the right to self defense. Unless of course, you want to hang a 1911 out in the open for everyone to see, then it's okay, free of charge.

Great point hurley, with this booming economy everyone has extra money to spend. Why not give 150 dollars for another background check. And wait 3 months.

So I need to pay $150 to put on a jacket or shirt ?

Rights are for those who can afford to pay for them.

The rest of us can eat cake.

Its not about the money. Well actually it is. Its just dumb to pay for a background check again. And some people are laid off work, the gas prices and economy is crap. They desrve to be allowed to defend themselves as well.

All of you can afford gun(s) but you can't or won't afford $150 for a ccw permit? You all must share with me where you buy your guns.

[Bailey Guns]

I got news for ya. It's gonna be a long row to hoe to get this passed. And some of the reasons why can be found right on this site:

• "I get nervous when people have a gun and don't know how to use it proficiently."
• "I'd like to see mandatory training before people can carry."
• "People who don't know how to use a gun make me uncomfortable."
• "I want the state to establish training standards."
• "Blah, blah, blah, blah."

But then they bitch because the big, bad government kills this in committee. But then they cheer because some untrained girl ventilates a bad guy with her pink .38 (I know it wasn't a CCW scenario but it's an example of effective self defense by a nominally trained person).

If having the average Joe defend himself is such a problem why aren't we reading about it in the news on a continual basis? Why isn't there story after story of these untrained, armed individuals from VT, AK, AZ and WY creating havoc with their guns everywhere they go? And you're living in a dream world if you think the media just isn't reporting it. They'd be all over that like white on rice.

So many here...on a freakin' hard core gun forum...bitch about the government taking away their rights with one breath but advocating more government control in the next.

It just pisses me off to no end to hear that kind of crap. For the life of me I don't get it. There's absolutely no evidence - other than extremely isolated incidents - that minimal or no training = a danger to society if said untrained person carries a gun for self defense. None. As a matter of fact, the opposite is more true.

Time after time we read about untrained/minimally trained people effectively defending themselves with guns against hardened criminals. Rarely do we read about the same person harming an innocent person with their gun.

A bunch of you guys are gonna be crying big tears when you get what you asked for. If we continue like we are the state WILL set minimum training standards that YOU can't meet. Then you're gonna bitch about that, too.

Fuckin' drives me crazy.

[glocklp]

All of you can afford gun(s) but you can't or won't afford $150 for a ccw permit? You all must share with me where you buy your guns.

This is not the point. There i no reason for it. And just to let you know cause it appears you have not been affected by the economy. People used to have good jobs, and probably bought their guns then. Now they might not have 150 laying around. Its just more bull#$%& the government is controlling. If your legal to buy a gun you should be legal to carry it.

[glocklp]

Oh yeah, BAILEY GUNS, your right on. I couldnt agree with you more.