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    hmmm
    Opec oil dependencies...
    interference in alternative research
    Saudi says Jump and Obamau looks like he has been taking lessons from Michael Jordan...


    no one has connected these yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    If the government didn't prevent us from developing our own energy resources then yes, the market would switch away from OPEC energy once it becomes less reliable and/or more expensive (which considering the goings on in most of the Arab world would be soon).

    But because of government interference with the free market, we're FORCED to use OPEC oil (even if it becomes cost prohibitive), and switching away from it will require lots of time and government permission (which we're not likely to get).
    Would it be fair for the government to include the "Real" price of developing those resources? Or mandating that the companies do the same thing, by restoring the land to it's original condition? In other words, there's the cost to get the oil out of the ground and into the refineries, and then there's the cost to clean up after themselves. In a world driven by market realities, companies may see the latter as being something that can be skipped. Do you think it would be fair for the government to impose a (potentially very high) cost on that extraction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    Would it be fair for the government to include the "Real" price of developing those resources? Or mandating that the companies do the same thing, by restoring the land to it's original condition? In other words, there's the cost to get the oil out of the ground and into the refineries, and then there's the cost to clean up after themselves. In a world driven by market realities, companies may see the latter as being something that can be skipped. Do you think it would be fair for the government to impose a (potentially very high) cost on that extraction?

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    Any cost that the government imposes on these companies to extract will be passed on to the consumers (citizens) in order to maintain their profit margins. They should have to 'restore' the land to something. Just as big construction projects usually involve some sort of public improvement built in.. but the cost is always there. These companies want to make a profit.. so we will eat the cost either from OPEC oil or our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie011 View Post
    If they can present a electric/hybrid truck that can tow my 10k pound loads all day without having to stop and recharge for 8 hrs. every 80 miles then maybe, just maybe, I'd look at going green but I highly doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    Yawn. Every president since Carter has trotted out a "plan" to get Americans off foreign oil imports. They've all be spectacular at doing nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    Jenny Craig can help with this problem my friend. Not hatin', just sayin' . Seriously, did you even READ the thread about the guy stuck to a chair? 1-800-JENNYCRAIG, do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    Would it be fair for the government to include the "Real" price of developing those resources? Or mandating that the companies do the same thing, by restoring the land to it's original condition? In other words, there's the cost to get the oil out of the ground and into the refineries, and then there's the cost to clean up after themselves. In a world driven by market realities, companies may see the latter as being something that can be skipped. Do you think it would be fair for the government to impose a (potentially very high) cost on that extraction?

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    I don't see any negative implication on this since price is dictated by supply and demand. While 'higher' price is purely speculation at this point, surely, we will save a lot of money in transportation cost, original producing countries' export taxes, while for once US will build its own energy infrastructure - jobs in drilling, new pipelines, local distribution, and even the treehuggers can participate in the restoration part.

    At this point, the real price of being heavily dependent on foreign resources is we are fattening up socialists such as Chavez of Venezuela, dictators and religious extremists in the sandbox, and so on.

    In fact, many of the left and the right believe the last two wars including Libya were because of OIL - well, that would be one less reason for us to spend billions and billions of Dollars we dont have taking care people who're trying to kill us. Wait, did I just say we will save billions and billions of Dollars by being self sufficient? In simplest term, if I dont eat out as much, I dont spend as much money - even though I have to wash my own dishes.

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