Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Can you cite something, other than your opinion, that agrees with that?
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Can you cite something, other than your opinion, that agrees with that?
LOL <----- that's me laughing out loud. at your comment.
I am glad I could lighten the mood. I am just saying I am more willing to see your side if you can cite a legitimate source that agrees with that (in almost all cases, not just this one).
how about popular mechanics?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...litary/4203345
an article from fox news written by a policy analyst for the CATO institute?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193652,00.html
I googled swat and army rangers and found these photos.
they don't look alike at all!
your comment made me laugh because you're a LEO, trying to argue that the idea that the militarization of police pushes the boundaries of posse comitatus is just some silly opinion that has no basis.
that's like nambla arguing that they should be able to sponsor a boy scout troop. after all, they're a non profit that does community service, right?
swat teams serve knock warrants at 9am because they have to do something to justify their budget.
and like I've said.... would that I could go to the lengths police do to make myself feel safe.
now, it is true that not all the facts are known.
but if it comes out that the officers really screwed he pooch, what really is going to happen to them? not a whole heckofa lot.
I don't hate cops and I'm not passing judgment on this case.
all I'm saying is when they do foxtrot the entire situation the "well, they're just normal people like anyone else" line gets used, and that's the end of it.
they should be held to a higher standard.
And these look-a-like too ...
One is from Colt's military site
One is from Del-ton's rifle sales site...
( you can look at the URL's for the pics to confirm)
One is just like a rifle I own .. and I assume you own one similar too ...
The other is not available for general sales.. ( yeah yeah Title II Or is it IV either way you get my point)
So since my Rifle LOOKS like a military M4 I should not have it ?
Slippery slippery slope....
This could happen to any member here or any citizen rightfully protecting his home from unknown intruders kicking in their door. All it takes is bad intel and this can happen.
One of these days a homeowner will defend himself and it'll be very ugly for everyone involved.
Invest in a closed loop video security system folks....
no, we should be able to easily obtain and use any firearms the police do.And these look-a-like too ...
One is from Colt's military site
One is from Del-ton's rifle sales site...
( you can look at the URL's for the pics to confirm)
One is just like a rifle I own .. and I assume you own one similar too ...
The other is not available for general sales.. ( yeah yeah Title II Or is it IV either way you get my point)
So since my Rifle LOOKS like a military M4 I should not have it ?
Slippery slippery slope....
full auto laws should be rescinded.
I agree. That's why I enferring Posse Comititus LE/Mil equipement and tactics are the same is dangerous. The difference has to be squarely footed in the different authorities the two act under. The legal ramifications from DC v Heller are not over. We are currently determining just where that line is for law about guns and individual rights in this country. Judge Kennedy called this legal precedence making continuoum as gathering "baggage along the way", and he used the 'baggage' accumulation of the 1st ammendment as the example to follow. Considering the politics and recent SC appointee, the baggage could easily be against our desires as for our desires, especially if it comes from douchebaggery like the 9th Circuit Court and then is held up by SC appeal. Taking a stance that LE and Military are spiritually the same based on weapons and tactics easily leads to that line for gun ownership falling short. Ever live in England? If the commonwealth don't have guns, then the cops don't need them either. Show me one instance in history where any government disarmed their LE before they disarmed their citizens.
Mom's comin' 'round to put it back the way it ought to be.
Anyone that thinks war is good is ignorant. Anyone that thinks war isn't needed is stupid.
The gun isn't the point, its the whole picture that gets to people! Cops can run around with M2s on their squad cars, go for it, that may actually do a lot to keep this country safer! But when they do raids, carry .mil type rankings, .mil/LEO training, SWAT tactics for non-life threatening situaitons, etc. then people get nervious, especially when the wrong guy gets perforated, more times than once.
The black rifles alone are Constitutionally protected, militia organizations are Constitutionally protected, no-knock raids for pot busts...not mentioned in the Constitution. One group of people getting jail time for killing someone else, even in error, where as another gets a fine and maybe a suspension...also not mentioned in the Constitution. Something about "rule of law"
how about popular mechanics?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...litary/4203345
an article from fox news written by a policy analyst for the CATO institute?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193652,00.html
I googled swat and army rangers and found these photos.
they don't look alike at all!
your comment made me laugh because you're a LEO, trying to argue that the idea that the militarization of police pushes the boundaries of posse comitatus is just some silly opinion that has no basis.
that's like nambla arguing that they should be able to sponsor a boy scout troop. after all, they're a non profit that does community service, right?
swat teams serve knock warrants at 9am because they have to do something to justify their budget.
and like I've said.... would that I could go to the lengths police do to make myself feel safe.
now, it is true that not all the facts are known.
but if it comes out that the officers really screwed he pooch, what really is going to happen to them? not a whole heckofa lot.
I don't hate cops and I'm not passing judgment on this case.
all I'm saying is when they do foxtrot the entire situation the "well, they're just normal people like anyone else" line gets used, and that's the end of it.
they should be held to a higher standard.
I certainly don't agree with what you are saying, however, thank you for providing some support.
I never said there is no rational basis to connect posse comitatus to the military, I just implied I don't agree with that and my comment was if one shows me support for what your opinion is. Yelling out stuff in the middle of a room is going to get you nowhere except making everyone believe you are crazy.
Yes I am a cop, however, I still believe in the Constitution first, unlike most would believe that I would do, for some reason, even though I took an oath to it.
Having served as an Infantryman for seven years and worked in law enforcement for six years I can say that they may look the same on the exterior (somewhat) but they don't act nor operate the same in most ways.
Furthermore, I have accused our own SWAT team for looking too military. When the army switched to the ACU, they thought it was a good idea to do the same thing and then were upset when several people thought they were in the Army. Of course I had to explain to them that they are wearing an Army Combat Uniform.
Having been on calls with our SWAT team I completely disagree that the reason why they waited until 9am to serve a warrant was to justify some budget requirement. Is it true that budgets are misused or that SWAT teams don't need everything they have, probably, I am not a SWAT officer so I couldn't tell you for sure, but I would probably have to say yes.
I don't disagree with you for a second that police officers should be held to a much higher standard. They are equipped and charged with responsibility that not everyone has and can remove a person's civil liberties. Because of this, the highest level of scrutiny should be given when recruiting (don't get me started on hiring practices) for this position and officers should be given the highest amount of training possible when it comes to both law and engaging in any type of life threatening situation. Sadly, some departments have the budget for this and some do not.
I still disagree with you if they screwed the pooch that they won't be in big trouble. Again, my experiences both personal and with officers that I know, has been that minor screw ups are major penalties. Again, this may depend on department, state, union, and quality of the investigation.
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