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Armchair Quarterbacks, all of you. I try to read these posts sometimes but everyone is a expert on what the SWAT is doing or not doing. It is very funny. These threads are made up of what we would call in the Army as Barracks Lawyers. In any rate enjoy the discussion
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
Go piss up a rope
I asked a question and then posted my opinion of the administrations follow-up
I second that shit. It's an opinion driven thread.
Is disagreeing with the entire concept of a raid where no one is in immediate danger arm chair quarter backing? If your job is to bust into a house with guns drawn, and the first thing you see is a person with a firearm, you shoot them. That's how you are trained. Doesn't change the idea that the raid shouldn't have taken place though.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Armchair Quarterbacks, all of you. I try to read these posts sometimes but everyone is a expert on what the SWAT is doing or not doing. It is very funny. These threads are made up of what we would call in the Army as Barracks Lawyers. In any rate enjoy the discussion
whenever the police screw up one of the many apologistic defenses used is the "well, you're not a cop so you just don't know"
that is usually quickly followed by the "you're just jealous because you'd never make the grade" tack.
so what if he was holding a rifle, why didn't they tackle him and effect the arrest?
if thru the door he had opened up, by all means shoot him 60 times.
he didn't shoot any police, the police should not have shot him.
wearing the badge and taking the risk is part of the job. mowing someone down because he just might hurt an officer is taking officer safety too far.
if I did the same thing I would go to jail for life.
This is just a dangerous situation, and a stupid one at that if you ask me. There have been several instances where "bad guys" have pretended to be LEO's and SWAT and gone into peoples homes only to rape/kill/steal etc. because the occupants disarmed themselves thinking they were the real deal.
It puts a guy in a though spot, if your door ever does get kicked in and men rush in yelling "police" ... is that the police? You're faced with a really shitty decsion. If you give up, you could be doing the right thing, or you might have given up the last chance you had to defend your wife and kids. If you fight, you might wrongfully kill a cop just doing his job, or you might off one of these phoney scumbags.
I've almost begin to wonder if these SWAT home entry tactics are still valid in this day-and-age. The only reasons I could see needing this type of entry are hostage situations or other situations where HUMAN LIFE may be lost, not EVIDENCE. To break down someones door because if you don't they MIGHT have the chance to destroy evidence, flush drugs, etc. Thats just stupid, it puts the cops in a bad spot, puts the public in a bad spot. How can you justify using this ammount of force on potential innocent people when there is no urgent need to save life or prevent harm?
on a side note, the syren thing was a good idea, good way of identifing themselves as the real deal. I've seen alot of departments sneak up, stand in line and down goes the door. Then they "announce" by yelling at the top of thier lungs "police, down on the floor" "get down" yadda yadda, the problem is, they are all yelling over eachother and in the heat of the moment I wouldn't hear a word of that crap. The siren should be mandentory, or some other means of properly identifying. The "RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" crap doesn't work for me.
This thread took an immediate U-Turn...
I kinda got a kick out of this...and will also be using your insult in the future...
Two Words
Car Alarm
Feel free
I am finding that I am being quoted more and more...
(disconnect from Kevden's post here)
As for the rest of it, we dont always agree here. I get that.
but to invalidate someones opinions and relegate them to "armchair whatever" is just pompous and rude.
Who the hell died and made you supreme forum member. Not seeing your name in red... so guess what, you are not in charge.
as for me being an "Armchair quarterback" about SWAT tactics, not trying. What I am doing is pointing out that no knocks or violent invasions are becoming the norm for some seriously minor bullshit. Then when it turns to an "oops, he didnt have any Drugs, WTF Do we use to justify Shooting a man inside of his home in front of his Family?"
He had a Gun...
Fucking REALLY?
why not say
" The Homeowner had a tomato!"
Both are equally illegal.
and 60 times?
I think I read in another thread where a Shopkeep of one sort or another is being Imprisoned for shooting a Man 5 times after he went down.
Something tells me this guy (Jose) probably went down after 30
Where is the justification for the other 30? why is a cop not going to prison for that?
I would deem that a bit excessive...
why is no one accountable for the fucked up home invasion?
Last edited by Byte Stryke; 05-28-2011 at 06:36. Reason: ranting...
Go fuck yourself.
There isn't anything "armchair quarterbacking" with being concerned about State-sponsored thugs murdering a citizen that by all accounts did not break any laws.
It bears repeating -
If cops continue to treat civilians as armed enemy combatants, it is only a matter of time before us civilians start viewing cops in the same light.
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