I love it, cuz I ur one!Originally Posted by Monky
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I love it, cuz I ur one!
You mean the system that was the best ever and now is being taken away from the American people? Taken away by the very ones that are paid to protect it, at the City, State and Federal level?? That system??
K, Just as an examplePossibly. But you don't know that and neither do I.
Did someone tell you that life was going to be fair? You and I are old enough to know that it is not and if someone said it we would laugh at them for being a fool or a liar.
Until a better system comes along, we are stuck with the one we have. It is better here than many other places. You've been in a few of those places and I assume you would agree. As bad as it can be here, it beats some of the backwards, sewage dumps that most people live in.
I hope we all do what we can to make it better. I'll keep trying as I am sure most of us will.
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-office...,3138667.story
There should never ever be an instance where an officer is found guilty of wrongdoing "Again"
My question would be "what? we didn't learn the last time?"
I'm not talking about an officer failing to check the proper box on a traffic ticket. It is a deliberate and intentional act to beat the hell out of someone.
This isn't an "oops I shot a guy I thought the cellphone in his hand was a gun in the low light."
you have to be personally close to beat someone.
and we as a society are fucking stupid for letting them do it TWICE.
Now, That being said, I would like to say that I appreciate the professionalism of the Jeff-Co Deputy that Busted me for being stupid fast in a 65mph zone coming off of the mountain this week.
I Self Identified with my paperwork, he was totally cool, asked if I was. I Said yes, that was that.
Best ever, but not perfect... yup, thats the one. Like anything else, I rarely stand idly by while anyone takes anything of value away from me. We all must decide what we deem the best course of action to protect what we value.
Byte, I read the linked story you posted and it sure sounds like everyone knew that DPD officer was going to cost the taxpayers money in any liability settlement. If I were a taxpayer in Denver, I would expect some answers from the elected officials who control the DPD. I don't think I would get satisfactory answers, but whats new about that.
I'm glad to hear the last officer you dealt with acted professionally. So often we focus on the 1% who cause 99% of the problems. This is true for every occupation and a large issue with any profession that has so much authority. It is why there is so much attention given when any cop, judge, or elected official goes off the deep end.
I think everyone who has a beef with anyone in authority should make themselves heard. Everyone has a boss. Find out who the person's boss is and submit a written complaint. Maybe nothing will happen. But if no one complains, I can pretty much guarantee nothing will happen, and the bad behavior will continue and another innocent person will be victimized.
Call me naive, but I still believe that good people stand up when no one else will. Good people do what they believe is right despite the consequences. YMMV
I've been trying VERY hard to stay quiet on the various threads dealing with law enforcement, but I can't let cstone have to uphold the fight on behalf of us in law enforcement.
Byte, I'm glad you had a positive experience with Jeffco recently, especially given your bias against law enforcement in general.
That being said, most here know I have no love for Denver PD and I believe they have a culture within their agency that needs changing. That isn't going to happen overnight, given the size of the agency. If I was Mayor Elect Hancock, I would immediately:
1. Fire Chief Whitman and hire someone from the outside
2. Change the way the promotion process is conducted for officers Lieutenant and higher are conducted and look for outside officers to compete to fill the higher positions
3. Immediately put in all patrol vehicles GPS and emergency light activated in-vehicle cameras and audio microphones and make it an immediate termination offense if they are disabled or not used
4. Increase the minimimum requirements for hiring standards to be similar to most agencies that surround the city; the ideal officer having a minimum of two years of higher education, military service, be no younger than 25 and be married.
5. End collective bargaining with the PPA. Enact a step program combined with a pay for performance program for any pay raises.
6. Streamline the complaint process and enable the Chief to terminate officers for performance
These measures will start the changes necessary, but they will need to lose a number of the mid and older officers who might not be willing to change.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
If I saw a guy that size beating up a man that age, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably call the police and make a big deal about it. If it got worse, he'd have a gun in his face. I'm not sure what I'd do once he got cocky and flashed his badge though. Probably keep it there. Wasn't there video at this gas station?
Oh by the way, I think he kind of looks like Brock Lesner. I bet all his douche bag friends encourage him to do so.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Whoops! I put my comments on the wrong thread. They were supposed to go on the Denver lawsuit thread.
Oh well.
This particular officer will be fired and most likely charged. Hopefully, the plea arrangement will require the surrender of his POST cert.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
Oh, Don't get me wrong Oneguy67, I am still all about the cop-bashing. especially ones that don't pony up for beers.
I kid... The problem as I see it is that the LEO Community is generally held to a different standard, not a higher one.
If I screw the pooch, I am sooo on my own.
If a Cop does it, there is a paid vacation pending investigation, warm cookies and Hugs all around.
If I am found guilty... Buttseks hotel
If a cop is guilty, they get an administrative action and something in their permanent record.
WTF?
Really?
I agree with your proposed changes with one addition.
Equality. When a cop makes a Mistake its one thing, when a cop betrays the trust of the people and the oath, They need to go to jail/prison like any other citizen.
No better, no worse.
Name the place and time, I will make good on the beers!Oh, Don't get me wrong Oneguy67, I am still all about the cop-bashing. especially ones that don't pony up for beers.
I kid... The problem as I see it is that the LEO Community is generally held to a different standard, not a higher one.
If I screw the pooch, I am sooo on my own.
If a Cop does it, there is a paid vacation pending investigation, warm cookies and Hugs all around.
If I am found guilty... Buttseks hotel
If a cop is guilty, they get an administrative action and something in their permanent record.
WTF?
Really?
I agree with your proposed changes with one addition.
Equality. When a cop makes a Mistake its one thing, when a cop betrays the trust of the people and the oath, They need to go to jail/prison like any other citizen.
No better, no worse.
I don't agree with your assessment. It may be more accurate with Denver PD, but not for the majority of the agencies here in Colorado. I know of a number of officers fired and charged with crimes over their actions, both on AND off duty. Officers should be held to a higher standard and I think we can both agree to that.
For most officers, if they are arrested, their career is done. No other agency is going to hire them once they are terminated from their agency (Denver PD is the exception to this, hence my list). If you are arrested for something done outside of your employment, your employer is most likely not going to fire you and it isn't going to stop your employment somewhere else (offense dependent, of course).
I would add another bullet to my list:
7. Demand the DA's office to not be afraid to charge officers criminally when they violate the laws.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
+1 Abso-friggin-lutely
Honestly I know not all departments are exactly like DPD.
too many are heading that way, its like a virus... and this ass-hat, unfortunately is the proof.
Too often we hear of officers in whatever department in the news... I get it, shit happens. But then we start getting the news people saying stuff like "He has a long history of <Insert Abuse Here>. IA records show he was put on <whatever administrative action> last year for a similar crime."
I promise you this... if I caused an accident and the PD knew it, and knew where I was.. I sure as shit wouldn't be free to go beat up old men at the Costco.
And I do agree it is a damned shame that shitbags that abuse the public trust have helped to create the rift between the Citizenry and the LEO Community in general.
And for the Good Guys, Ya'll need to clean your house.
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