RMGO Stoops to New Low...

[Byte Stryke]

Frankly from what I have read and been warned about in person this Wyatt guy is a turd. HOWEVER I don't think its fair to paint the man as a convict because he didn't want to hand his ex-wife a bunch of money. If anything just stick to painting him (and rightfully so) as a crook for stealing that customers money, and as a lousy businessman for all the reasons mentioned, leave the guys reluctance to hand over his money to an ex out of it.

yeah, because its OK to disobey a legal judgement from a duly appointed Judge.

[stevelkinevil]

yeah, because its OK to disobey a legal judgement from a duly appointed Judge.

Yeah, on occasion. Listen man, I again am not arguing the point that the guy is in all likelihood a complete douche. However simply because a "duly appointed" judge says you must do something doesn't make it correct, especially in a civil matter. The man did not steal anything (in this case anyway) and I have a fundamental disagreement with a court ordering an adult to support another adult simply by virtue of that person having had a relationship with them. Child support? different matter entirely (although I still don't make my ex pay it after 8 years). My point being that lets not paint the man as a hardened criminal because he did not feel that another grown adult held claim to money he earned. On the other hand, ripping folks off for services not rendered or not properly rendered? THAT is a criminal act for which I am 100% on board with him being prosecuted for and it sounds like he makes a habit of it.

Edit* BTW byte I am in complete agreement with you on the "show". I cannot imagine a scenario where this does anything but serve to tarnish the image of gun owners as a whole.

[flan7211]

We as CO ar-15 members seem to have a similar voice on this thing. Dudely should listen as we are a pretty specific group. We're guys who care enough about guns and the 2A culture to be on a forum exclusively about guns. We're a good voice for Colorado gun owners as a whole. What about a reality show is going to further the seriousness of our cause? Fight the good fight with ideas not prime time child's play. Worse comes to worse, the bad things about this guy will get out to the joe smoe types and it will only further damage what gun owners and enthusiasts appear to be. rant finished.

[BPTactical]

We as CO ar-15 members seem to have a similar voice on this thing. Dudely should listen as we are a pretty specific group. We're guys who care enough about guns and the 2A culture to be on a forum exclusively about guns. We're a good voice for Colorado gun owners as a whole. What about a reality show is going to further the seriousness of our cause? Fight the good fight with ideas not prime time child's play. Worse comes to worse, the bad things about this guy will get out to the joe smoe types and it will only further damage what gun owners and enthusiasts appear to be. rant finished.

Very eloquent Flan.
Speaks volumes.

[RMGOdirector]

Am I (and RMGO) listening to you all? Yes, I am.

I am, after all, one of you (if the title of this website means anything).

I made the decision to involve RMGO in a TV Show, and so I will. I haven't had the same experiences (along the shady business practices line) that others have (and clearly, quite a few have).

I do, however, understand how many think Rich is egotistical. He is. I've told him that personally many times, and given him plenty of static about his "me" wall in his shop (with pictures of him with politicians and such).

I keep hearing the "This TV show could tarnish the reputation of gun owners."

But, it's happening whether this forum whines, kicks, moans and screams or not. No one here (including me) has any control over that.

I've played the "gotchya" game with the media a thousand times. I've learned, largely, to smell the ambush and avoid it. Put simply, when I get any sense of it, I ignore the media request (and we get literally hundreds of those a year).

After talking to the producers I found out that Sons of Guns was wildly popular, surprising many in the TV industry, which is why many production companies looked at starting new firearms-related shows.

I've only seen a few episodes of Sons of Guns. Not that exciting, but I know RMGO/NAGR members watched it in record numbers.

Stand firm for what you believe in, and ignore those who worry so much about all the other factors, especially public opinion.

Btw, I did read all of Corey's (not sure of his username) e-mail, but the snide nature of his response (that he's somehow offended by using a red font to respond to each and every point he made) indicated the tone had changed to a tit-for-tat, and I'm not interested in that kind of exchange.

I used the colored font mainly because my eyes are getting older (at 45 and I stare at a computer monitor all day) and I wanted to be respectful in answering each of your points/questions.

[RMGOdirector]

It's funny: some here criticize RMGO for tooting it's horn, and then others say "What does RMGO do?"

[palepainter]

It's funny: some here criticize RMGO for tooting it's horn, and then others say "What does RMGO do?"

I appreciate you stopping by an taking the heat.

It sounds like the production company will welcome the BS, drama and ego as a part of their spin on the industry. It may bring short term ratings, but in the long run, it will hurt the industry and the community, much like in the way OCC has stained the motorcycle industry. Back in the peak of the motorcycle industry, there were a ton of fruity tooty bike reality shows as well. I was involved with a couple at different times, they all required the same formula to suck in a curious audience.

The show may do better in a different market than Denver, with the reputation Gunsmoke has. They may also have some tradename issues with airing a TV show with the name Gunsmoke.

[Byte Stryke]

this reminds me of this fable "the Bird that flew south too late."

Once upon a time, there was a little bird who refused to fly south for the winter. His friends tried to convince him that winter was coming and he should go, but the little bird was adamant. Finally, his friends left on their journey, but the little bird remained behind. Pretty soon the weather turned bitter cold. The little bird began to shiver. After a while, he decided he had made a mistake, so he too headed south. But he was too late and the weather descended upon him. As he flew, ice formed on his wings. He grew more and more weary until finally he fell to earth in a cow pasture, freezing and exhausted. He was convinced he was going to die. As he lay there, freezing to death, a cow came by and crapped on him. The manure warmed his body and wings. The bird realized he would live. He was so happy, he began to sing. A cat was passing by and heard the singing. The cat dug into the manure, uncovered the bird and promptly ate him.

There are three morals to this story:

1. Not everyone who shits on you is necessarily your enemy.

2. Not everyone who gets you out of the shit is necessarily your friend.

3. And, if you're happy in your own pile of shit, keep your mouth shut.

So is Gunsmoke the Cow or the cat?


as far as "Sons of Guns"
I put it on par with OC Choppers and all of that other "Staged reality"

I refuse to "get into bed with" someone of less that strong moral character regardless of motivation.

"You are often judged by the company you keep."

[funkymonkey1111]

what i don't understand is what is the premise of the show? someone wanting to go into a gun shop that's overpriced, disorganized, dirty, and doesn't have much of a selection?

Aside from the reports about this Wyatt character, the gunsmith issues, etc., the store is frankly crap.

[CMP_5.56]

It's funny: some here criticize RMGO for tooting it's horn, and then others say "What does RMGO do?"

I did say you as an individual never Nissan opportunity to root your own horn. Don't recall saying that about RMGO as an organization though.