RMGO Stoops to New Low...

[flan7211]

We as CO ar-15 members seem to have a similar voice on this thing. Dudely should listen as we are a pretty specific group. We're guys who care enough about guns and the 2A culture to be on a forum exclusively about guns. We're a good voice for Colorado gun owners as a whole. What about a reality show is going to further the seriousness of our cause? Fight the good fight with ideas not prime time child's play. Worse comes to worse, the bad things about this guy will get out to the joe smoe types and it will only further damage what gun owners and enthusiasts appear to be. rant finished.

[BPTactical]

We as CO ar-15 members seem to have a similar voice on this thing. Dudely should listen as we are a pretty specific group. We're guys who care enough about guns and the 2A culture to be on a forum exclusively about guns. We're a good voice for Colorado gun owners as a whole. What about a reality show is going to further the seriousness of our cause? Fight the good fight with ideas not prime time child's play. Worse comes to worse, the bad things about this guy will get out to the joe smoe types and it will only further damage what gun owners and enthusiasts appear to be. rant finished.

Very eloquent Flan.
Speaks volumes.

[RMGOdirector]

Am I (and RMGO) listening to you all? Yes, I am.

I am, after all, one of you (if the title of this website means anything).

I made the decision to involve RMGO in a TV Show, and so I will. I haven't had the same experiences (along the shady business practices line) that others have (and clearly, quite a few have).

I do, however, understand how many think Rich is egotistical. He is. I've told him that personally many times, and given him plenty of static about his "me" wall in his shop (with pictures of him with politicians and such).

I keep hearing the "This TV show could tarnish the reputation of gun owners."

But, it's happening whether this forum whines, kicks, moans and screams or not. No one here (including me) has any control over that.

I've played the "gotchya" game with the media a thousand times. I've learned, largely, to smell the ambush and avoid it. Put simply, when I get any sense of it, I ignore the media request (and we get literally hundreds of those a year).

After talking to the producers I found out that Sons of Guns was wildly popular, surprising many in the TV industry, which is why many production companies looked at starting new firearms-related shows.

I've only seen a few episodes of Sons of Guns. Not that exciting, but I know RMGO/NAGR members watched it in record numbers.

Stand firm for what you believe in, and ignore those who worry so much about all the other factors, especially public opinion.

Btw, I did read all of Corey's (not sure of his username) e-mail, but the snide nature of his response (that he's somehow offended by using a red font to respond to each and every point he made) indicated the tone had changed to a tit-for-tat, and I'm not interested in that kind of exchange.

I used the colored font mainly because my eyes are getting older (at 45 and I stare at a computer monitor all day) and I wanted to be respectful in answering each of your points/questions.

[RMGOdirector]

It's funny: some here criticize RMGO for tooting it's horn, and then others say "What does RMGO do?"

[palepainter]

It's funny: some here criticize RMGO for tooting it's horn, and then others say "What does RMGO do?"

I appreciate you stopping by an taking the heat.

It sounds like the production company will welcome the BS, drama and ego as a part of their spin on the industry. It may bring short term ratings, but in the long run, it will hurt the industry and the community, much like in the way OCC has stained the motorcycle industry. Back in the peak of the motorcycle industry, there were a ton of fruity tooty bike reality shows as well. I was involved with a couple at different times, they all required the same formula to suck in a curious audience.

The show may do better in a different market than Denver, with the reputation Gunsmoke has. They may also have some tradename issues with airing a TV show with the name Gunsmoke.

[Byte Stryke]

this reminds me of this fable "the Bird that flew south too late."

Once upon a time, there was a little bird who refused to fly south for the winter. His friends tried to convince him that winter was coming and he should go, but the little bird was adamant. Finally, his friends left on their journey, but the little bird remained behind. Pretty soon the weather turned bitter cold. The little bird began to shiver. After a while, he decided he had made a mistake, so he too headed south. But he was too late and the weather descended upon him. As he flew, ice formed on his wings. He grew more and more weary until finally he fell to earth in a cow pasture, freezing and exhausted. He was convinced he was going to die. As he lay there, freezing to death, a cow came by and crapped on him. The manure warmed his body and wings. The bird realized he would live. He was so happy, he began to sing. A cat was passing by and heard the singing. The cat dug into the manure, uncovered the bird and promptly ate him.

There are three morals to this story:

1. Not everyone who shits on you is necessarily your enemy.

2. Not everyone who gets you out of the shit is necessarily your friend.

3. And, if you're happy in your own pile of shit, keep your mouth shut.

So is Gunsmoke the Cow or the cat?


as far as "Sons of Guns"
I put it on par with OC Choppers and all of that other "Staged reality"

I refuse to "get into bed with" someone of less that strong moral character regardless of motivation.

"You are often judged by the company you keep."

[funkymonkey1111]

what i don't understand is what is the premise of the show? someone wanting to go into a gun shop that's overpriced, disorganized, dirty, and doesn't have much of a selection?

Aside from the reports about this Wyatt character, the gunsmith issues, etc., the store is frankly crap.

[Shooter792]

This will not be Sons of Guns..... This will not be Top Shot.

But as I have said its RICH WYATT and his shop not the the fact you want the exposure of a cable TV show.

Your loosing the support of some of the best gun rights people in the state. Some of your most loyal supporters without whom you would not be where you are today.

WHY!!!!
FOR WHAT!!!!
ROOT AROUND WITH THE PIGS AND YOUR GOING TO SMELL LIKE SHIT!!!!

I would go so far as to picket the business while they film.

I don't think I would be alone.

[rondog]

what i don't understand is what is the premise of the show? someone wanting to go into a gun shop that's overpriced, disorganized, dirty, and doesn't have much of a selection?

Aside from the reports about this Wyatt character, the gunsmith issues, etc., the store is frankly crap.

If this was a new TV show about Americans who love firearms and all aspects of the shooting sports, and focused ON those Americans and those sports, I think we'd all be all for it.

Tell the story about how and why our forefathers used and needed firearms, and why their ownership was written into our Constitution (2A).

Tell about all the uses for guns of all kinds, from plinking at cans with .22's to hunting the biggest game in North America.

Educate the public that guns are NOT just for killing other people with. Design a show around this premise.

Cover everything, from Boy Scout BB gun classes to trap shooting to CMP matches.

Interview collectors and find out why people love to collect and shoot old military rifles. Explain why some of us want/need more than one rifle or pistol, and why some of us have dozens of "the same one", such as Garands, M1 carbines, 1911's, Enfields, Mosins, shotguns, precision rifles, etc.

Go to machine gun shoots and cover those, and interview the people that go. Tell the world why we love to shoot them. Explain the rules of ownership and the costs involved.

Visit with CCW carriers and trainers, tell the story of why Americans feel the need to carry weapons to protect ourselves from the scum amongst us. Talk to people about the Open Carry movement, educate the public that it's NOT illegal to do it, and those that do are NOT "cowboys". Tell the stories from a real perspective.

Visit with REAL gunsmiths, not "personalities", and ask 'em what makes guns and ammo tick. Educate the world about all the various firearms and ammunition. Hell, they could do a whole episode just on reloading and bullet casting, and those of us that love to do it!

Visit with firearms manufacturers to show how they're made. Visit with custom gunmakers (again, NOT egotistical "personalities" who build wierd shit that scares people) and showcase the ART of fine firearms.

Cover some gun clubs and ranges, and how things are supposed to be done. The Four Rules, range ettiquete (sp?), etc. Show kids shooting and being trained, interview the kids for their viewpoints.

Show the trash dumps and Bubba Ranges where people shoot up trash and leave it, and educate people that this is NOT what our sport is about, and these are NOT responsible gun owners. Turn the spotlight on the clowns, and maybe those who ARE those clowns or know them will change their ways a little. Nobody really wants to be known as a dickhead.

And of course, a major theme of the show should be telling the story of the ongoing struggle to KEEP our rights of gun ownership, and the pursuit of the sports we love and enjoy. And our rights to carry weapons and defend ourselves, our families, and each other from the criminals that infest our society and seek to victimize us. Turn the spotlight on those in Washington who endeavor to strip our firearms and our rights away from us, go interview them and ask them WHY? We know who most of them are, the rest of America needs to know also!

We could build on this list for days, but I think I've made the point.

I don't know, but I think a new series COULD be a good thing, if it was done right. But dragging in assholes like Wyatt to be "personalities" to speak for us ain't gonna cut it.

[Byte Stryke]

If this was a new TV show about Americans who love firearms and all aspects of the shooting sports, and focused ON those Americans and those sports, I think we'd all be all for it.

Tell the story about how and why our forefathers used and needed firearms, and why their ownership was written into our Constitution (2A).

Tell about all the uses for guns of all kinds, from plinking at cans with .22's to hunting the biggest game in North America.

Educate the public that guns are NOT just for killing other people with. Design a show around this premise.

Cover everything, from Boy Scout BB gun classes to trap shooting to CMP matches.

Interview collectors and find out why people love to collect and shoot old military rifles. Explain why some of us want/need more than one rifle or pistol, and why some of us have dozens of "the same one", such as Garands, M1 carbines, 1911's, Enfields, Mosins, shotguns, precision rifles, etc.

Go to machine gun shoots and cover those, and interview the people that go. Tell the world why we love to shoot them. Explain the rules of ownership and the costs involved.

Visit with CCW carriers and trainers, tell the story of why Americans feel the need to carry weapons to protect ourselves from the scum amongst us. Talk to people about the Open Carry movement, educate the public that it's NOT illegal to do it, and those that do are NOT "cowboys". Tell the stories from a real perspective.

Visit with REAL gunsmiths, not "personalities", and ask 'em what makes guns and ammo tick. Educate the world about all the various firearms and ammunition. Hell, they could do a whole episode just on reloading and bullet casting, and those of us that love to do it!

Visit with firearms manufacturers to show how they're made. Visit with custom gunmakers (again, NOT egotistical "personalities" who build wierd shit that scares people) and showcase the ART of fine firearms.

Cover some gun clubs and ranges, and how things are supposed to be done. The Four Rules, range ettiquete (sp?), etc. Show kids shooting and being trained, interview the kids for their viewpoints.

Show the trash dumps and Bubba Ranges where people shoot up trash and leave it, and educate people that this is NOT what our sport is about, and these are NOT responsible gun owners. Turn the spotlight on the clowns, and maybe those who ARE those clowns or know them will change their ways a little. Nobody really wants to be known as a dickhead.

And of course, a major theme of the show should be telling the story of the ongoing struggle to KEEP our rights of gun ownership, and the pursuit of the sports we love and enjoy. And our rights to carry weapons and defend ourselves, our families, and each other from the criminals that infest our society and seek to victimize us.

We could build on this list for days, but I think I've made the point.

I don't know, but I think a new series COULD be a good thing, if it was done right. But dragging in assholes like Wyatt to be "personalities" to speak for us ain't gonna cut it.

And I would nominate Rondog as spokesman