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[OneGuy67]

Agreed and wouldn't expect any officer to. But in this instance it sounds like he had plenty of time to do that before hands on.

As for him not having a chain to put his badge on, that wouldn't stop him from putting it in his pocket.

I re-read the news reporting and it isn't clear as to how the events occurred once he identified himself or told the suspect he was under arrest. He might have had time as you indicate to be able to pull his ID or a badge if he had one on him, but he might not have had that time. I don't know and the reporting doesn't clarify.

Did he identify himself or tell the suspect he was under arrest and the suspect attempt to put the vehicle in gear to leave and the officer reached in to kill the vehicle, where he got punched several times? Hell, I don't know and again, the reporting doesn't indicate. There had to be a reason he tried to grab the guy through the window instead of opening the door to gain access to the guy.

Sure, he certainly could have put his badge in his pocket. It still goes back to the above paragraph.

[Byte Stryke]

That's a fact. I've been dismissed from jury duty immediately every time I've been summoned.

I don't think there is a definition of "reasonable" under Title 18...but I don't recall for sure. But it basically means:

Reasonable man theory refers to a test whereby a hypothetical person is used as a legal standard, especially to determine if someone acted with negligence. This hypothetical person referred to as the reasonable/prudent man exercises average care, skill, and judgment in conduct that society requires of its members for the protection of their own and of others' interests. This serves as a comparative standard for determining liability. For example, the decision whether an accused is guilty of a given offense might involve the application of an objective test in which the conduct of the accused is compared to that of a reasonable person under similar circumstances.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-woman-...,6155236.story

so much for "reasonable".

Friel said each suspect wore a dark blue police style uniform with a gun-belt and displayed a badge.

[Bailey Guns]

IMO you were right in both...but you may need a good attorney too.

Pretty sure the statute of limitations is up on those two!

[Bailey Guns]

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-woman-...,6155236.story

so much for "reasonable".

Yeah...that would be the story I linked to in one of my earlier posts.

So...now you're not going to believe someone in uniform is a cop, too?

[hollohas]

I have told my wife time and again not to pull over for anyone at night until she gets to a well lit and populated area because of this. And call the police to confirm especially if she doesn't see red, white AND blue lights as well as flashing headlights. She's not going to pull over for any piss ant little light bar or small flashing red/blue light that a BG can buy at RadioShack. That sucker better be lit up like forth of July before she pulls over in a dark secluded area. And any "reasonable" officer would understand.

[Bailey Guns]

I have told my wife time and again not to pull over for anyone at night until she gets to a well lit and populated area because of this. And call the police to confirm especially if she doesn't see red, white AND blue lights as well as flashing headlights. She's not going to pull over for any piss ant little light bar or small flashing red/blue light that a BG can buy at RadioShack. That sucker better be lit up like forth of July before she pulls over in a dark secluded area. And any "reasonable" officer would understand.

When I worked in remote areas of the county I had that happen several times. As long as there was some sort of acknowledgement that I was behind them I just followed until they stopped.

I have no problem with that and it's probably good advice.

[Irving]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone could possibly work the angle that the police officer was defending himself. From the story, it sounded like the guy was sitting in his car with the door closed, holding the keys out of the window. If you are reaching into someone's car, through the window, and the person inside the car pulls out a knife, the proper defensive action is to quickly take ONE step backward from the vehicle. Now you are out of danger. You don't shoot until the person with the knife is outside of the vehicle with nothing between you.

[Irving]

When I worked in remote areas of the county I had that happen several times. As long as there was some sort of acknowledgement that I was behind them I just followed until they stopped.

I have no problem with that and it's probably good advice.

I have many times in the past, pulled completely off the highway at the next exit so as to not stop ON the highway. I just get over immediately, turn on flashers, drive slow. No one has ever had a problem with it before. Now I just stop as soon as possible. If I'm in an unsafe area, the officer has a speaker he can use to direct me.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone could possibly work the angle that the police officer was defending himself. From the story, it sounded like the guy was sitting in his car with the door closed, holding the keys out of the window. If you are reaching into someone's car, through the window, and the person inside the car pulls out a knife, the proper defensive action is to quickly take ONE step backward from the vehicle. Now you are out of danger. You don't shoot until the person with the knife is outside of the vehicle with nothing between you.

I don't think it started out as the officer defending himself. It started out as the officer attempting to take the person into custody. It's not uncommon to have to remove someone from a car to do that. I'm just speculating that's how this started based on the news story. Unfortunately, it escalated from there. But you're right...it didn't need to.

Even the fact that it escalated is unfortunate since the APD officers obviously knew who this guy was. It probably would not have been difficult to get a warrant and pick him later.

I find it's a lot easier to armchair-quarterback this whole thing as opposed to being there and making the decisions on the spot, under pressure. My office chair is comfy.

[Graves]

Yeah APD screwed the pooch but honestly...should there really be protocols to keep a two bit asshat like this around? He'd still be alive if he wasn't such a scum bag. Fuck him, we're better off without him.

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