Proof that CCW is a good idea

[mcantar18c]

Since no one has mentioned it, I feel obligated to say....
F*CKING HAJIS.

[Rooskibar03]

In Philly you would end up on trial just like the bad guys for returning fire. I guess it's only ok for BG's to have guns with their cheesesteaks.

(I grew up just outside Philly so I know all about that place. Brotherly love my ass)

Kudos to the driver for having the sense to get the bus moving and not jump off and run away.

[ghettodub]

Since no one has mentioned it, I feel obligated to say....
F*CKING HAJIS.

What does that have to do with this?

[Ranger]

I'm not a lawyer, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

WIN!

[nynco]

Just speaking hypothetically....

In that situation if any of you were CCWing, what would be the proper response? Be serious here. Because someone might learn something that could save a life or prevent himself from being a victim. So given its a bus, you have innocents both inside and outside. You have glass you must fire through. What is the proper course? Can a 9mm or 380 pass through glass and be accurate after?

[mcantar18c]

What does that have to do with this?

Investigators say brothers, Quran and Rahim Patterson, start firing into the bus with a large assault rifle and a handgun

[nynco]

I am serious about my questions. I don't think many people understand about angle of deflection and how that changes aiming or how each caliber is effected. I know I am not an expert and would like to learn.

[mcantar18c]

I am serious about my questions. I don't think many people understand about angle of deflection and how that changes aiming or how each caliber is effected. I know I am not an expert and would like to learn.

The glass on the sides of a bus aren't a significant obstacle for a bullet. I don't know about a .380, but it will be fine for a 9mm. And its not like it'll be a one-and-done deal, you'll be firing more shots after the first one breaks the glass.
I wouldn't worry about trajectory... at that close of a range, the effect the glass will have on that first bullet is negligible (and again, its only the first bullet), you'll miss more with your shots from lack of training and the adrenaline of the moment than you will from a sheet of glass.
As for people... once the BG starts spraying people are running and clearing the area, trying to make themselves as little of a target as possible. There probably won't me many people in the way of your shot.

[TFOGGER]

I am serious about my questions. I don't think many people understand about angle of deflection and how that changes aiming or how each caliber is effected. I know I am not an expert and would like to learn.

Shoot through the open door, if possible. Heavier bullets will deflect less when passing through glass. Maybe a single shot(remove the glass), followed by 2 each a split second later for each of the BGs?

[nynco]

The glass on the sides of a bus aren't a significant obstacle for a bullet. I don't know about a .380, but it will be fine for a 9mm. And its not like it'll be a one-and-done deal, you'll be firing more shots after the first one breaks the glass.
I wouldn't worry about trajectory... at that close of a range, the effect the glass will have on that first bullet is negligible (and again, its only the first bullet), you'll miss more with your shots from lack of training and the adrenaline of the moment than you will from a sheet of glass.
As for people... once the BG starts spraying people are running and clearing the area, trying to make themselves as little of a target as possible. There probably won't me many people in the way of your shot.

and those missing of shots, where do they go?