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    I don't think Native Americans were necessarily here first. If they were the people to originally cross the land bridge from Africa, and all it takes is being first; then I'm about to own about 5,000 acres of Yellowstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I don't think Native Americans were necessarily here first. If they were the people to originally cross the land bridge from Africa, and all it takes is being first; then I'm about to own about 5,000 acres of Yellowstone.
    WTF ??????
    That was pretty pointless and TOTALLY missed the point of what was said, but that's what most do when they don't have a logical inteligent response. BTW-Native, as in had residence and a way of life set up, as in didn't sail over, mass murder, and inforce a way of life. Again all besides the actual point of the post. No Comprehension points for you!

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    If you think that the Indians were mass murdered, I think you need to look into the history a bit more.

    What is the difference between walking over and sailing over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    If you think that the Indians were mass murdered, I think you need to look into the history a bit more.

    What is the difference between walking over and sailing over?
    There were multiple incidents of mass murder against indians, but most were killed from the diseases that europeans brought with them. Light estimates are in the range of 6 million.

    The difference is who was here first. If nobody was here and they show up to claim the territory, then its yours. What europeans did to possess land afterward is even better documented than the deaths. Hell, the first property cases on the continent are indian land rights cases by Marshall. The case rulings are also rife with rewriting history and legal fiction.
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    Anyone that thinks war is good is ignorant. Anyone that thinks war isn't needed is stupid.

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    Thanks SA, I couldn't of said it better!

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    What does any of that have to do with this thread though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    What does any of that have to do with this thread though?
    Ding ding ding, yay Irving figured out the rant he started has nothin to do w the topic at hand. How bout you re read the initial post and re read my post and test your reading comprehension by seeing if you have anything intelligent and ON TOPIC to say.

    Look it's me Irving and SA

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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    There were multiple incidents of mass murder against indians, but most were killed from the diseases that europeans brought with them. Light estimates are in the range of 6 million.

    The difference is who was here first. If nobody was here and they show up to claim the territory, then its yours. What europeans did to possess land afterward is even better documented than the deaths. Hell, the first property cases on the continent are indian land rights cases by Marshall. The case rulings are also rife with rewriting history and legal fiction.

    I see someone has been studying up on their Federal Indian Law...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevDen2005 View Post
    I see someone has been studying up on their Federal Indian Law...
    NAS1000. Is almost all legal studies and history thrown it to understand the laws. It's really a political science class, but should be a federal Indian law intro class. I got an A .

    Oh I wouldn't go so far as to say any of this sidebar is irrelevant. This thread is about laws one would in enact. Understanding the direct and indirect effects of laws and the histories of peticuarly bad laws and why they are/were bad is the groundwork to really understanding if a law should exist or if one is just acting like an irrational teenager not getting ther way. Thus trying to bend everything in the universe to their twisted version of reality, and having no concept of the ramifications of wanting what they want in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    NAS1000. Is almost all legal studies and history thrown it to understand the laws. It's really a political science class, but should be a federal Indian law intro class. I got an A .
    That's awesome SA, congrats! And thanks for using your Advanced education to back up my simple logic. And your right this side bar is absolutely relevant to the topic. As you can see Irving can't grasp the difference between topic and side bar, nor can he understand sarcasm to make a point.

    Irving- my let me simplify and get to my personal perspective and points-
    1-killing people for illegally crossing the borer is as illogical as trying to send everyone back to where there family stems before europian and spanish colonization began in the 1400s/ 1500s
    2-this country was built off immigration both legal and illegal. It is (was) a GREAT country and it got that way with the hard work of American citizens, legal immigration and illegal immigration.
    3-immigrants aren't hiring immigrants, as long as we provide work for immigrants, there will be immigrants here for the work.

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