Consistency in politics?? Can it be true?

[CMP_5.56]

So he's been consistently wrong for a quarter century? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been saying the same thing for that long, too. Doesn't mean they have any more credibility.

Not a Ron Paul fanboy because of his foreign policy and national security stances.

So you cant agree with strengthening our borders? You agree that we should continue to fight unsustainable wars that are costing us money we can't afford and costing us more lives of men and women of this country? You cant agree with letting the rest of the world fight their own battles? We should just keep backing one side, then turning on them the next conflict?

We backed Afghanistan against the Soviets, then turned our back on them. We backed Saddam when he went into Iran, then went after him twice. You dont think that sends a message that we have nto true allegiance to anyone?

I'm all for looking out for this countries best interests, but I refuse to believe that we should not expect to be hated when we have been establishing governments that end up being worse for these people than the last one was. We made Bin Laden the power he became. We made Saddam the power he became. If you believe we have never done anything that would inspire hatred, then you are mistaken.

Ron Paul doesn't say we should apologize for making mistakes, he say we should stop making them. He doesn't say we owe the world anything, he just says we should stop trying to be the world police.

My thing is this. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul believes, far from it actually. What I do want in a candidate, he has. Honesty, integrity, and backbone. There wi never be a politician that everyone agrees with. There will never be one that his entire party agrees with. That is part of being human, we can never fully agree. The one thing I know is this, I want an honest man in office. I want someone who actually votes the way he talks. And there is no other candidate that has voted consistently his entire political career besides Ron Paul. Perry was Al Gore's campaign manager for Christ sakes. Romney back social healthcare and gun control in Massachusetts.

There are two things in this country that need to stop. The Federal Reserve, and unsustainable wars. I agree we should have sought revenge for 3000+ American lives. I think we should have gone in there, prepared for full war, no bullshit pussy footing. Made them regret ever having fucked with us. Instead we have fought a war of insurgency that has not gotten the job done, reinforced that section of the worlds view of us. and started laying in the ground work for another government that we will eventually turn against. We have lost well over 3000 American soldiers, so now we have lost twice the otiginal number and still no end in sight. We spend billions of dollars a day on this war. And those dollars were printwd to us and loaned to us a nation, with interest. Therefore we are even more indebt. We aee in debt on every dollar printed the moment the ink hits the paper. The same banks that print our money have backed all of our enemies since world war one. Causing endless wars that have never caused change.

Whether you agree with him 100% or not, show me another candidate that has more integrity. Show me another candidate that stands against the big banking system that runs this country. Show me another candidate that will get us out of the middle east. Show me someone who truly believes what he tells us. When you do, I'll take him under serious consideration.

[Hoosier]

Yeah, we've never done anything wrong that would cause another nation or group of people to hate us, ever.

So tell me, what did we do to provoke the murder of over 3,000 American civilians on our own soil? (Other than the fact that we're all infidels and deserve to go to hell).

Starting with our instrumental role in the creation of Israel, and running through us dropping a half a million US soldiers in the "holy land" of Saudi Arabia in 1991, we did quite a few things that "provoked" these fundamentalist Muslims. From our perspective each step may be the correct one, but collectively it's easy for them to market and sell it to their populations as the United States has done these horrible things, and is the great satan, etc.

Then there are the things we know are wrong, but have been willing to do because it's in our collective interest. For example, supporting dictators because they allied themselves with the US and turn a blind eye to their atrocities. We saw it backfire with the Shah in Iran in 1979, I'm hoping we don't see a repeat now in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria etc.

H.

[Bailey Guns]

I said nothing of the sort and you know it. You're simply a Ron Paul fan and you're obviously letting it interfere with your critical thinking.

Let me make it simple for you. Ron Paul recently said this:

From an article in the Houston Chronicle:


He (Ron Paul) engaged those who lofted questions, including a man worried that if U.S. troops were pulled out of other countries, those who wish to harm the United States could benefit. Which enemy? “Islam,” came the answer.

“I don’t see Islam as our enemy,” said Paul, who blamed U.S. occupation of other countries and the killing of “a lot of innocent people” for creating enemies.

Now maybe you don't see that as a problem. That sort of naive ideology is a deal killer for me. Paul takes the "Hate America First" philosophy to new heights and lots of people recognize that whether you do or not.

Sure...I agree with a lot of things he espouses. I do not agree that our "interventionist" policies are what causes those who believe in their radical version of Islam to kill innocent people.

[Bailey Guns]

Frankly, I don't think any republican candidate understands the constitution and the way our government works better than Newt Gingrich. I don't think there's any question he is the smartest of the Republican candidates.

Unfortunately, he's got so much baggage and he's said so many dumb things that he won't get the nomination, either.

But I think he would actually make the best president of all the candidates, strictly from a practical point of view.

I still like Michele Bachmann.

[stevelkinevil]

So he's been consistently wrong for a quarter century? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been saying the same thing for that long, too. Doesn't mean they have any more credibility.

Not a Ron Paul fanboy because of his foreign policy and national security stances.

Because he doesn't think we should be interceding in every other nations affairs and engaging in nation building? (yea that's always worked out great) , and doesn't think we should be sacrificing our liberties to form a police state under the banner of protection from terrorists?

[Bailey Guns]

Because he doesn't think we should be interceding in every other nations affairs and engaging in nation building? (yea that's always worked out great) , and doesn't think we should be sacrificing our liberties to form a police state under the banner of protection from terrorists?

Deja vu all over again.

[CMP_5.56]

Deja vu all over again.

Maybe it is because you're missing the point. Do i agree that he doesnt see Islam as,an enemy, bo I do not. Do i agree that we have in part made their hatred of us worse, yes I do. Do I believe we need to get out of the middle east? You bet your ass I do. Do i think we need stiffer immigration laws and people willing to enforce them. Yes I do. Do I believe that the decision of Roe v Wade should be over turned? No I do not.

I dont agree with everything the man says, and you admitted you agreed with most of what he says. But because of one small thing you disagree with you would vote for more the same bullshit we already have. If that is truly how you look at it then maybe that is what is wrong with America. Too many people looking for someone that is their entire reclection in one politician. That will never happen, and that is why dishonest men hold office.

I am tired of wondering who is lying the least. Is rather vote for the only one that doesnt lie.

You call me a Ron Paul fanboy, which I am far from. I wish there was another candidate that was honest and had a backbone. Like I said in my last post, I would take a seriius look at another candidate if they had the record for honesty Ron Paul has. Unfortunately there is no other candidate that does. We can have Romney, who sponsored universal healthcare and gun control in Mass. Or Perry who was Al Gore's campaign manager back in Texas, with his record of flip flopping. Or Bachmann who honestly I don't know a damn thing about other than she filled out Ol Dudley's gun rights poll. And every other GOP candidate is already showing signs of either early resignation from the race, or the normal GOP stance of running until the end just to take votes from other candidates. The three others that have a chance besides Paul, are all wishy washy poster buts for the same shit we have had for a hundred years in this country. I want real change, not keyword Obama change, actual chanfe. Ron Paul just so happens to be the only one willing to truly offer it.

[Bailey Guns]

Then vote for Ron Paul. No one said you shouldn't. But stop blaming his failures to get elected on everyone and everything except Ron Paul.

And I said I agree with a lot of things he says...not most.

I will say this...if Ron Paul gets the republican nomination he'll have my vote at that point...not before. If Ron Paul really had the ethics and character you seem to think he has he'd be running as a Libertarian.

[CMP_5.56]

Then vote for Ron Paul. No one said you shouldn't. But stop blaming his failures to get elected on everyone and everything except Ron Paul.

And I said I agree with a lot of things he says...not most.

I will say this...if Ron Paul gets the republican nomination he'll have my vote at that point...not before. If Ron Paul really had the ethics and character you seem to think he has he'd be running as a Libertarian.

Except for the simple fact that nobody in this country will vote third party. Under the same views you have for not voting for him in general.

What views do the other candidates have that you agree with more than Paul's? Because I can't honestly stand behind any of the GOP candidates. They all have the same flip flop, no true stance bullshit as the democrats. In fact half of them are democrats in hiding. Look at Romney.

[Bailey Guns]

Except for the simple fact that nobody in this country will vote third party. Under the same views you have for not voting for him in general.

Simply not true. I hate to admit it but I voted for Ross Perot. He got almost 20% of the vote in the election as a third party candidate.

What views do the other candidates have that you agree with more than Paul's? Because I can't honestly stand behind any of the GOP candidates. They all have the same flip flop, no true stance bullshit as the democrats. In fact half of them are democrats in hiding. Look at Romney.

Not going to rehash it as I've said it here over and over. Michele Bachmann is my candidate of choice. Look at her website "Issues" page if you're interested.

I don't care for Romney at all. But if he's the Republican nominee he's got my vote.