Pistol Challenge

[cstone]

Just to get an idea of the course of fire, I was thinking something like this:

At a range of 65 yards and in your normal every day carry configuration; at the command to fire, you will draw and fire all rounds as quickly as possible.

Targets will be PPC silhouettes with normal points as marked on the targets. Ties will be decided by the fastest time.

How many points should we subtract for miss on the target?
How many points should we subtract for miss not on the target?

Depending on the number of shooters, this shouldn't take too long.

I could set up three stands to have three shooters, shooting simultaneously. There is no movement, no alibis, and no reloading, so having multiple shooter at one time shouldn't be a problem.

In addition to a range finder, anyone have a PACT timer? I have a stop watch, but ideally we will need one for each shooter.

I'm open to all suggestions.

[Atrain1]

You bugger. You really have one? Damn straight I'd like to check it out. I'll even pay for the ammo! Been seriously considering the deep investment (like what $300?).

389 with 4 35 round mags off of GB there is a guy on armslist that has one for a little over 300.

[sneakerd]

I think rapid -fire at a 65 yard target is just a waste of ammo. I think each shooter should have a time limit based on mag capacity- or each "round" should be limited to a certain number of shots, so as not to favor hi-caps. Personally- I'll need to take my time- say 5 sec per shot on a timer. longer than that and you're really not using breath control. There needs to be a touch of discipline even in a wide open "match" with people of widely varying abilities.

[cstone]

I think rapid -fire at a 65 yard target is just a waste of ammo. I think each shooter should have a time limit based on mag capacity- or each "round" should be limited to a certain number of shots, so as not to favor hi-caps. Personally- I'll need to take my time- say 5 sec per shot on a timer. longer than that and you're really not using breath control. There needs to be a touch of discipline even in a wide open "match" with people of widely varying abilities.

We could shoot one at a time. Again, depending on how many shooters we have, that will just make the match last longer which is fine by me.

I think the penalties for misses would slow almost everyone down. I really believe there have to be penalties for misses. There certainly are in real life, so there should be in competition/training.

I was thinking that the impetus for this type of match was the IHOP shooting. I was thinking that we each would need to shoot to the best of our individual abilities with what we carry each and every day. Personally, I carry three different pistols, two are off duty and one is an on duty. I would have to choose one of those pistols or shoot three different times. If people would like to throw in extra mags and shoot more rounds, again, that is fine by me, but there has to be some practical limit on how many rounds each person puts down range. Every round is a potential hit and a potential law suit or criminal charge.

To my way of thinking, if I didn't put down what I was shooting at, at 65 yards in the first ten rounds, the last thing I'm going to do is continue to engage at that distance with my last ten rounds.

While I like bench rest shooting, I personally don't see much point in making this a bench rest match or timed fire exercise. The timer would be there for tie breaking purposes only. If you, or anyone else wants to take a minute to shoot each round, that is fine by me. In fact, at 65 yards, I am certain that you would not hear a rapid string of rounds from me, especially knowing that I am wasting ammunition and losing points for every miss.

I could actually foresee a scenario where this type of match could be won by the shooter with the lowest minus score (closest to zero points).

Thoughts? Anyone?

[Atrain1]

We could shoot one at a time. Again, depending on how many shooters we have, that will just make the match last longer which is fine by me.

I think the penalties for misses would slow almost everyone down. I really believe there have to be penalties for misses. There certainly are in real life, so there should be in competition/training.

I was thinking that the impetus for this type of match was the IHOP shooting. I was thinking that we each would need to shoot to the best of our individual abilities with what we carry each and every day. Personally, I carry three different pistols, two are off duty and one is an on duty. I would have to choose one of those pistols or shoot three different times. If people would like to throw in extra mags and shoot more rounds, again, that is fine by me, but there has to be some practical limit on how many rounds each person puts down range. Every round is a potential hit and a potential law suit or criminal charge.

To my way of thinking, if I didn't put down what I was shooting at, at 65 yards in the first ten rounds, the last thing I'm going to do is continue to engage at that distance with my last ten rounds.

While I like bench rest shooting, I personally don't see much point in making this a bench rest match or timed fire exercise. The timer would be there for tie breaking purposes only. If you, or anyone else wants to take a minute to shoot each round, that is fine by me. In fact, at 65 yards, I am certain that you would not hear a rapid string of rounds from me, especially knowing that I am wasting ammunition and losing points for every miss.

I could actually foresee a scenario where this type of match could be won by the shooter with the lowest minus score (closest to zero points).

Thoughts? Anyone?

I like it I just had a question my PPS-43 is technically a pistol with the stock fixed, can I use it LOL. I carry a 380 and I know I cant make that shot with a P3AT the sights suck balls it is small and not made for it. I have open carried my 1911 so I guess that could count as a carry gun.

[cstone]

I think everyone should shoot what they carry everyday.

If anyone shows up with a tricked out Buckmark, Mark II, or scoped pistol, no one will keep them from shooting it, but everyone will know they are full of the Blarney and they will hear about it both at the match and on the board.

For the record, I carry .357 Sig and I can't think of a situation where I would take a 65 yard shot in real life. IMO, every day carry pistols are the wrong tool for that distance. I understand that people may disagree, but I doubt that will change my mind. I will still step up and put lead down range just so I know what I can and can't do with what I have.

Targets are cheap, and I'm supplying them (it's only paper and cardboard). You have to provide the pistol, ammunition, and marksmanship.

Here is the link to consolidate this match:

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showth...eferrerid=3409

[mcantar18c]

How do you guys know that what he is saying is not true? I just am kind of curious that type of stuff happens all the time.

It was posted on the interwebz, it can't possibly be true

Just rambling off some ideas...

Carry guns only.
Time limit, no round limit... simply use whatever you carry in your carry gun.
X seconds (2 or 3?) per round, time limit is the total of that... so for a 5 shot revolver, you have X seconds x5 to get them all on target.
Score based upon hit-miss/unfired ratio.
Maybe do it draw+fire? Use the holster you carry with, keeping it completely concealed as normal (assuming you CC), must draw and then fire within the time limit... adding a few seconds to the time limit for the draw if we do it this way.
Targets at 65 yards, top scores move to 100 yards for shits.

Thoughts?

I'd need to have a date at least a week and a half ahead of time so I can request off work.

[Atrain1]

It was posted on the interwebz, it can't possibly be true

Just rambling off some ideas...

Carry guns only.
Time limit, no round limit... simply use whatever you carry in your carry gun.
X seconds (2 or 3?) per round, time limit is the total of that... so for a 5 shot revolver, you have X seconds x5 to get them all on target.
Score based upon hit-miss/unfired ratio.
Maybe do it draw+fire? Use the holster you carry with, keeping it completely concealed as normal (assuming you CC), must draw and then fire within the time limit... adding a few seconds to the time limit for the draw if we do it this way.
Targets at 65 yards, top scores move to 100 yards for shits.

Thoughts?

I'd need to have a date at least a week and a half ahead of time so I can request off work.

I was wondering when you were going to chime in, that sucks that you cant make it, I figured you were going to be there for sure.

[mcantar18c]

I was wondering when you were going to chime in, that sucks that you cant make it, I figured you were going to be there for sure.

My jobs have been overlapping this week and I haven't had time to take a shit let alone check the forum, other than logging on here and there and throwing a post up (I usually sit for an hour or two and go through the "New Posts" area so I can catch everything).

Wait, there's a shoot setup already? I skimmed over the thread and saw a few suggestions as to date/location but didn't see anything solid...

[jhood001]

Is a CCW required in order to participate in this?

Are you going to be able to make it if it is, Mcantar? Pretty sure 20 years old isn't sufficient in order to have a CCW in Colorado.