Bad Crash at the Reno Air races.

[Elhuero]

Every air show seems to be a risk nowadays.

it would be completely asinine for them to end the airshow.

which is why I'm worried they'll do it.

[Drilldov2.0]

it would be completely asinine for them to end the airshow.

which is why I'm worried they'll do it.

Everything is a risk these days, including the govt. with their policies. I say ban govt. altogether. Do it for the children!

[Drilldov2.0]

There was an F-86 that went in at Broomfield, like 15 years ago. Trying to compete with the F-16s going way too low for this altitude.

Heard you might be able to hitch a ride for gas in the Mig 17 that flys out there.


Looks like there are some body/parts in that photo, but it could be wiring or ???

Nasty. Trim tab flapping around can fudge you up, but this bad? To cause catostrophic failure.

Every air show seems to be a risk nowadays.

Umm, No. The f-86 was I believe at Lowry and he couldn't pull out of a loop because of density altitude, not trying to compete with F-16's at low altitude.

Every second of your day is more of a risk than an air show.

[Tweety Bird]

and their wings are also not shortened by 5 feet. there are huge differences between a stock mustang from WW2 and what these guys put together. anything goes. they could be mechanical, they could be hydraulic, they could be electric or a combination. depends on what kind of money they have, what weight savings it gives them and the best control they would get.

You're guessing here. And you're wrong, too.

If you think a modification to put hydraulic actuators on a P-51 would be a weight-saving effort, I have some wooded beachfront property in Wyoming I'll make you a deal on.

Sure, they're modified airframes; and engines, too. And so are the props. They're RACERS, for shit's sake.

As soon as you find an Unlimited class racer that's modified to run the primary flight controls with hydraulics, send me some pictures or other empirical data. Trust me, when you find it, it's going to be turbine-powered and a whole lot bigger and heavier than a P-51, and at this time, an airplane like that isn't allowed to race in these events.

Until you do find that evidence, just plan on checking back with me when you have 36 years of airplane maintenance experience like I do (including, by the way, some time working on a Mustang).

[Tweety Bird]

There was an F-86 that went in at Broomfield, like 15 years ago. Trying to compete with the F-16s going way too low for this altitude. . .

Yes, it was at Broomfield (Jefferson County Airport at the time).

The Wyphe and I were there that day. It was an awful thing to see, even though he was down below the ridge (that the runway is on) when it happened so I don't think many actually saw it hit. Airplanes had been disappearing behind the ridge and re-appearing further West all day. We all expected this guy to do the same, but there was a large ball of fire instead. I never looked for the official accident report but I think the density altitude got him that day. It was pretty hot and he was trying to do a half Cuban-8 and just didn't have enough altitude to get out of the bottom of it. He was a retired United Airlines pilot.

Umm, No. The f-86 was I believe at Lowry and he couldn't pull out of a loop because of density altitude, not trying to compete with F-16's at low altitude.

Every second of your day is more of a risk than an air show.

Umm, No. There hasn't been any airplane operations at Lowry since the early to mid 1960s or so.

[Drilldov2.0]

Yes, it was at Broomfield (Jefferson County Airport at the time).



There hasn't been any airplane operations at Lowry since the mid 1960s or so.

The Wyphe and I were there that day. It was an awful thing to see, even though he was down below the ridge (that the runway is on) when it happened so I don't think many actually saw it hit. Airplanes had been disappearing behind the ridge and re-appearing further West all day. We all expected this guy to do the same, but there was a large ball of fire instead. I never looked for the official accident report but I think the density altitude got him that day. It was pretty hot and he was trying to do a half Cuban-8 and just didn't have enough altitude to get out of the bottom of it. He was a retired United Airlines pilot.

I went to an airshow at Lowry while I was in High School and it certaintly was not in the 60's. That is not the point however.

You did parrot me in that density altitude was at fault. May have been at Jeffco at the time, but that too is irrelevant to the crash.

But, just for your arrogant attitude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowry_Air_Force_Base

It's okay 30's years off is good enough for an expert.

[Irving]

There absolutely WAS a jet that crashed into the ground at the Broomfield airshow. You could see the scar in the earth at 104th and Wadsworth Blvd for over a year.

[Drilldov2.0]

There absolutely WAS a jet that crashed into the ground at the Broomfield airshow. You could see the scar in the earth at 104th and Wadsworth Blvd for over a year.

yes there was and it was an f 86 hmm. What's you post count? I mean point?

[Irving]

Drilldov, I've noticed that you've been very ornery tonight.

[frozenmud]

I went to an airshow at Lowry while I was in High School and it certaintly was not in the 60's. That is not the point however.

You did parrot me in that density altitude was at fault. May have been at Jeffco at the time, but that too is irrelevant to the crash.

But, just for your arrogant attitude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowry_Air_Force_Base

It's okay 30's years off is good enough for an expert.

From the Wiki article...

Flying activities had begun at Lowry in 1938, and through the years, many different aircraft had operated from the airfield, but by the mid-1960s airspace in the Denver area had become so crowded that in 1966 the Air Force directed Lowry to shift all of its flying activities to nearby Buckley Air National Guard Base.