For you history guys

[Veritas]

I'm no expert on WW1, but if the US had stayed out its likely both sides would have fought to a stalemate. Even if the Allies won, its' likely the peace would've been more fair. The treaty of Versailles was almost a big a travity as the war. The Treaty of Versailles all but ensured another war would be fought.

[Ronin13]

Interesting story about what happened during WW2...
The story of an Army Ranger Colonel during WWII:
Sent to SE Asia to help countries repel the Japanese Imperialist invaders the US gets a progress report back from the leader of their team training resistance in a small SE Asian country known as Vietnam. The report comes just months before the Manhattan Project is complete. The report tells how the fighters are doing well and are very receptive to training. Their leader, Ho Chi Minh, however is not very friendly and a real bad guy. Within 20 years the Colonel predicts this will be a new problem for the US and that ground forces will need to be deployed to keep them in check.
The year of this report... 1945. Date we officially went to Vietnam in a combat capacity 1965... remember, in our history we created a lot of our enemies.
1919- Germany suffers under treaties imposed after WWI. 1939....
1945- US Sends Rangers to train resistance in Vietnam. 1960's & 70's.
1987- US Begins funding Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fight Russia. 2001....
1980's- US gives funding and weapons to Iraq to fight Iran. 1991 & 2003.
1991- CIA trains anti-Saddam forces to stage uprising in Iraq. 2004/2005...
I'm not saying we should become isolationists, but we should be a little weary that we are creating our next crop of enemies in some of these hotbeds of activity where we train and arm militias and military personnel. (I won't go into it about central and south America).

[Elhuero]

Interesting story about what happened during WW2...
The story of an Army Ranger Colonel during WWII:
Sent to SE Asia to help countries repel the Japanese Imperialist invaders the US gets a progress report back from the leader of their team training resistance in a small SE Asian country known as Vietnam. The report comes just months before the Manhattan Project is complete. The report tells how the fighters are doing well and are very receptive to training. Their leader, Ho Chi Minh, however is not very friendly and a real bad guy. Within 20 years the Colonel predicts this will be a new problem for the US and that ground forces will need to be deployed to keep them in check.
The year of this report... 1945. Date we officially went to Vietnam in a combat capacity 1965... remember, in our history we created a lot of our enemies.
1919- Germany suffers under treaties imposed after WWI. 1939....
1945- US Sends Rangers to train resistance in Vietnam. 1960's & 70's.
1987- US Begins funding Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fight Russia. 2001....
1980's- US gives funding and weapons to Iraq to fight Iran. 1991 & 2003.
1991- CIA trains anti-Saddam forces to stage uprising in Iraq. 2004/2005...
I'm not saying we should become isolationists, but we should be a little weary that we are creating our next crop of enemies in some of these hotbeds of activity where we train and arm militias and military personnel. (I won't go into it about central and south America).

true.

very awesome info.

but even in the 60's we could have beat the tar out of vietnam.

same with korea.

we didn't because of the fear it would flare into a larger conflict with the russkies.

[ronaldrwl]

Lame
France did little more than tickle Germany.
Britain took some hard blows but didn't fight back much.

[KevDen2005]

I'm no expert on WW1, but if the US had stayed out its likely both sides would have fought to a stalemate. Even if the Allies won, its' likely the peace would've been more fair. The treaty of Versailles was almost a big a travity as the war. The Treaty of Versailles all but ensured another war would be fought.

Well I personally think history is no fun if we can't have a friendly argument on the "What If's" or "Whys" of what happened, since no one will really ever know, they can only speculate.

[KevDen2005]

Interesting story about what happened during WW2...
The story of an Army Ranger Colonel during WWII:
Sent to SE Asia to help countries repel the Japanese Imperialist invaders the US gets a progress report back from the leader of their team training resistance in a small SE Asian country known as Vietnam. The report comes just months before the Manhattan Project is complete. The report tells how the fighters are doing well and are very receptive to training. Their leader, Ho Chi Minh, however is not very friendly and a real bad guy. Within 20 years the Colonel predicts this will be a new problem for the US and that ground forces will need to be deployed to keep them in check.
The year of this report... 1945. Date we officially went to Vietnam in a combat capacity 1965... remember, in our history we created a lot of our enemies.
1919- Germany suffers under treaties imposed after WWI. 1939....
1945- US Sends Rangers to train resistance in Vietnam. 1960's & 70's.
1987- US Begins funding Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fight Russia. 2001....
1980's- US gives funding and weapons to Iraq to fight Iran. 1991 & 2003.
1991- CIA trains anti-Saddam forces to stage uprising in Iraq. 2004/2005...
I'm not saying we should become isolationists, but we should be a little weary that we are creating our next crop of enemies in some of these hotbeds of activity where we train and arm militias and military personnel. (I won't go into it about central and south America).

Very awesome info. Do you perhaps have a source so I can reuse this info? Thanks.

And I didn't know about the CIA training Saddam Forces (I'm assuming it's the Baath party). I knew that Iraqis wanted an uprising but I thought they were pissed at us for not helping.

[cstone]

LameFrance did little more than tickle Germany.
Britain took some hard blows but didn't fight back much.

France fought very hard during WWI. They were bled white during that war as was much of Britain. The French certainly had nothing to be proud of during their brief resistance before capitulation in WWII, however, there is plenty of evidence that elite French fighting forces today hold their own quite well.

Germany practically ran the exact same play to open the western front in WWII that they had in WWI. This time however, they had learned the all important lesson of speed in maneuver warfare. Air power supporting armor made all the difference in pushing France and Britain out of the real fighting for nearly four years.

Western history really short changes the fighting done by the Russians in WWII. I realize that the US and Britain helped the Russians, but those Reds really shouldered the burden of the land war in Europe for several years.

[Ridge]

[Ronin13]

Very awesome info. Do you perhaps have a source so I can reuse this info? Thanks.

And I didn't know about the CIA training Saddam Forces (I'm assuming it's the Baath party). I knew that Iraqis wanted an uprising but I thought they were pissed at us for not helping.

It was in a documentary on the history channel some years back- not sure which. And you misread my timeline- it was anti-Saddam forces (against the Baath party with assistance from the Kurdish Rebels). We helped where we could, but the UN pressured the US to leave after we liberated Kuwait, thus the CIA couldn't stay too much longer and had to leave. Mistakes were made in the 1990's... let's not even try to touch on Rwanda and how Clitton totally botched that.

[KevDen2005]

It was in a documentary on the history channel some years back- not sure which. And you misread my timeline- it was anti-Saddam forces (against the Baath party with assistance from the Kurdish Rebels). We helped where we could, but the UN pressured the US to leave after we liberated Kuwait, thus the CIA couldn't stay too much longer and had to leave. Mistakes were made in the 1990's... let's not even try to touch on Rwanda and how Clitton totally botched that.

Totally agreed on Rwanda. It would have been really good for the US Image to help them out though. That way not all the extreme lefties say the US only goes to war over oil, etc.