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[Bailey Guns]

From their own website:
"PolitiFact.com is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in Washington and the Obama presidency."

Now ... Politifact DID win a Pulitzer in 2009 for their so-called fact-checking during the 2008 campaign. On the other hand, most of this "fact-checking" that I remember seeing was nothing of the sort. It was scrutinizing anything Republicans said to find fault while trying to whitewash anything Hillary or Obama said.

In fact, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette labeled the St. Petersburg Times as "usually liberal" in 2003.

So let's look further at this claim of 148 countries. Wikipedia (not my idea of a solid source but quick for the moment) lists the following (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...bases#Overseas):

The US Army has facilities (not all facilities are bases but most civilians don't understand the different between a base, station, post, fort, camp, etc.) in Bulgaria, Iraq, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Kosovo and South Korea. The USMC has facilities in Afghanistan, Germany and Japan. The US Navy has facilities in Bahrain, the British Indian Ocean Territory, Brazil, Cuba, Spain, Japan, Italy, Israel, Greece and South Korea. The US Air Force has facilities in Afghanistan, Bulgaria, Germany, Greenland, Italy, Japan, Qatar, Singapore, South Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Turkey and the United Kingdom.

Wikipedia also lists Guam for the Navy and AF but Guam is technically US territory. So what's missing? The US Army also has a significant presence in the Marshall Islands (Reagan Test Site aka Kwajalein Atoll). The Navy used to have a small station in Singapore. Nothing was listed in Central America although we used to have camps there. There are frequently US military liaison officers located worldwide to either provide a contact for military partnerships (e.g., with allies like the Australians or French) and NATO bases are sometimes construed as "US" although there's technically no US real estate ownership as there is with official DoD bases. The various services have small detachments (anything from 2 people to 2-3 dozen) located all around the world to provide things like technical or logistic support and Marines are located at nearly every embassy to provide guards but these are hardly bases.

For some of the reasons above, I believe we have US military personnel stationed in 148 countries but to misquote Wendy's, "show me the bases."

I'm really not sure of the point you were trying to make with this post. You didn't refute anything I stated. And you aren't anywhere close to listing 148 countries.

You can believe anything you want. Proving it as fact is a different story entirely.

[roberth]

It's very difficult to have a logical argument/debate/discussion with someone who's entire argument is based on emotion.

That is why I stepped out.

You are a better man than I Bailey Guns for sticking to the topic. I can't abide the deliberate and constant ignorance displayed by leftists.

[DOC]

What are leftists doing here. We talk about guns and not how to ban them. We own Assault Weapons therefore we are timebombs waiting to go off on a killing spree...
What else is there but to have round about arguments that don't go anywhere.
I think liberalism is an autoimmune decease that makes them they way they are. The immune system attacks the brain makes it swell and they spout off non sense. Then it goes away and they are able to go on living and eating and working or collecting welfare. Its just a theory and its unproven. The difference between my beliefs and theirs besides the facts is I admit that its unproven and don't try to codify my own crazy ideas to give it meaning. Liberals do.
And they also count it as a win when others give up arguing.

[roberth]

What are leftists doing here.

Some of them like guns for some of the same reasons we like guns.

And they also count it as a win when others give up arguing.

That just means leftist don't know the difference between winning and losing.

They should be disappointed that I gave up. I'm disappointed when people give up on me, it makes me work harder to understand what they are trying to tell me, but then I'm a rational and logical person who wants to learn.

[DOC]

Some of them like guns for some of the same reasons we like guns.

Yeah unless its political then its to fool us.

That just means leftist don't know the difference between winning and losing.

They should be disappointed that I gave up. I'm disappointed when people give up on me, it makes me work harder to understand what they are trying to tell me, but then I'm a rational and logical person who wants to learn.

Its worse for some. Instead of sticking it out some get violently ill if they talk about it again. Like truthers or birthers.... I can't talk with those guys anymore.

[ghettodub]

What are leftists doing here. We talk about guns and not how to ban them.

yeah, I'm with Roberth here; I know plenty of liberals that like guns. Some just like guns. And i refuse to lump them all in to one pile and think they're all idiots.

[DOC]

It does seem a likable trait to have in an otherwise poisoned personality. But the lure of guns and how fun and practical they are can be hard to fight. The gun culture has always been open to all. But liberals have seem to embrace it more openly lately.
They will still shoot our ammo and call us rednecks behind our backs later.

[roberth]

And i refuse to lump them all in to one pile and think they're all idiots.

I'm guilty of doing that. I think most of them are idiots.

Liberals can't even respond to questions without throwing in straw men and red herrings and generally avoiding the question.

Liberals think the government is the solution, they refuse to acknowledge the history of the Soviet Union where the citizen was reduced to living in poverty because the state controlled every aspect of their lives and the state paid their neighbors to rat them out. Look at Cuba or North Korea, there are examples all over the world where the totalitarian state has failed its citizens. You can't have big government and liberty simultaneously, the 2 cannot coexist.

Back to Topic - Did you see this poll? Go Herman!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...election-poll/

I just this article on Michelle Malkin's site. Looks like a good summary of the (R) candidates and their problems.

http://michellemalkin.com/

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm really not sure of the point you were trying to make with this post. You didn't refute anything I stated. And you aren't anywhere close to listing 148 countries.

You can believe anything you want. Proving it as fact is a different story entirely.

I wasn't trying to refute anything you said. I was refuting the genius who thinks Politifact is a reputable authoritative source for trying to claim we have bases in 148 countries. Using the other "lazy" source (Wikipedia), we can only find 25 different countries listed for overseas basing plus a couple they didn't know about (one of the reasons I usually laugh at anyone trying to cite Wikipedia as an authoritative source). As I said, while I can believe military personnel stationed in 148 countries due to Marine detachments at embassies and foreign liaison officers, that's a far cry from having bases in them.

[Bailey Guns]

yeah, I'm with Roberth here; I know plenty of liberals that like guns. Some just like guns. And i refuse to lump them all in to one pile and think they're all idiots.

Yeah....I'm working on that. Just not quite there yet.