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    Quote Originally Posted by Tweety Bird View Post
    I have read the bill. But I just don't trust 'em because once the law is in place, revisions become easy to do on the sly.
    they won't wait that long. By the time it will get to a vote, there will be at least a half dozen changes to it to appease hard votes to try to get it through the house and it simply will be another bill corrupted into something it wasn't meant to be.

    Think about it... There are what five or six states with mag restrictions and the are not all the same amounts. How do you deal with this in this bill? There are at least two states with ammo restrictions too. Then there are training restrictions. So, is this bill going to address these differences? If it does, then I guarantee you it will involve restriction and not repeal. if I remember correctly, one or more states dictate that CCW guns have to be trained with and then designated the only gun they can CCW with and the serial number is on the permit and in state retained paperwork (NC if I remember right, but I could be wrong on that).

    Not all states have the same CCW permit format. Will this bill address this? What will be standardized in a CCW permit to control forgery? This MUST be directive to the issuing states on CCW format. And while we are on the subject, will this standardize approval authorities? This scares me the most actually. Next thing you know all state CCW laws are null and void and this turns into a bill to make Dept of CCW offices in every state.

    I just dont see this being left simplistic and non-intrusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    they won't wait that long. By the time it will get to a vote, there will be at least a half dozen changes to it to appease hard votes to try to get it through the house and it simply will be another bill corrupted into something it wasn't meant to be.
    They already tried amending the bill in committee and it failed. In the full House, at least, I don't think they'll be any more successful. The Senate is another problem, but I think we've got the votes to kill the thing it they are successful getting something heinous put into the bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    Think about it... There are what five or six states with mag restrictions and the are not all the same amounts. How do you deal with this in this bill? There are at least two states with ammo restrictions too. Then there are training restrictions. So, is this bill going to address these differences? If it does, then I guarantee you it will involve restriction and not repeal. if I remember correctly, one or more states dictate that CCW guns have to be trained with and then designated the only gun they can CCW with and the serial number is on the permit and in state retained paperwork (NC if I remember right, but I could be wrong on that).
    I know you say you read the bill, but it's clear to my reading that you will have to follow the CCW laws of the state you are in while carrying, just like you have to follow the driving laws. So if one state doesn't not permit carry while in a business that serves alcohol, you will have to honor that restriction. You're not getting a CCW in the state (like TX) so you're not required to pass their testing requirements - just like you don't have to take a driving test when you cross state lines. HR 822 says they have to honor your permit regardless of the differences in training requirements.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    Not all states have the same CCW permit format. Will this bill address this? What will be standardized in a CCW permit to control forgery? This MUST be directive to the issuing states on CCW format. And while we are on the subject, will this standardize approval authorities? This scares me the most actually. Next thing you know all state CCW laws are null and void and this turns into a bill to make Dept of CCW offices in every state.
    Not all states have the same drivers license format either. So far the bill is NOT directive. I expect, if it passes, the states will sort out standardization issues without federal help. Most states already accept other states CCW permits and there's no problems. NY, NJ, CA, MD, DC, CT, and MA will try to muck things up, but they'll still have to honor the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    I just don't see this being left simplistic and non-intrusive.
    Well, so far it IS simple and non-intrusive. Why not support the bill as written? Let your congress critter know how you feel and hope for the best.

    Having lived in the People's Republic of Maryland, I would love to see this bill rammed up theirs and the District of Columbia's rear ends.

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