ATF agents point machine guns at 8-year-old Burst into home after being told fugitive had moved out

[Wulf202]

not the first time Greeley pd has violated search and seizure laws this year.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

JM can you honestly say that this type of action is justified? No warrant and brandishing MP10's I assume if it was ATF at an 8 year old. Come on man. This is not about hating on the police, it is about right and wrong.

No one knows the entire story... So far, all you have is the side of the incident as stated by a single mother.

Also, if there is information that a fugitive is in a location there isn't a warrant needed. Said fugitive will already have a warrant out for his arrest. SO! For them to say there was no warrant is false.

EDIT: To the above comment... Said information could come in many forms... I'm not saying there WAS information. I'm just saying what could/would justify the actions...

Telling the police "they don't live here anymore" isn't enough... What do you expect to happen... "Oh? Not living here anymore? Well you look honest, so, you must be telling the truth... Ok then, sorry to bother you. BYE!" Really? No. You have all the liars to thank for that...

Pointing a gun at a kid... What does the kid look like? I've seen some kids that don't look like kids... Not saying it was the right thing to do, just saying... Also I've never heard of the agency I work for using lasers... I know the regular Deputies aren't allowed to have lasers on their duty weapons. SWAT I'm not sure about, but I've not head anything about them using them. But that's where I work, not Greeley or the ATF...

As far as being handled in a rough manner... Happens to EVERYONE inside the building... That's just the way those things are done.


Depending on what the fugitive is wanted for, you can have 2 types of raids...
Knock and Announce (what this was) or a No Knock Raid (what this was NOT).
She said she was in the shower with the radio on... She might not have heard it all.



NOW! Assuming that everything the lady says is true... About how she had previously informed the police the fugitive moved... Sure, then this was probably a bit much.

BUT! The lady obviously knew who the fugitive was. I mean, how else did she know the person gets section 8?

All I'm saying is... Don't jump to conclusions. There's more to this than the artical says.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

not the first time Greeley pd has violated search and seizure laws this year.

I didn't see your comment while I was typing... Read my comment.

[yankeefan98121]

I only heard one side of the story. There are almost always three.

the woman's side, the ATF's side and the truth

[asmo]

We have failed as a society:

Last year, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that “there is no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.” In issuing its ruling the court said public policy disfavors such a right.

The court admitted it was overturning hundreds of years of law going back to the Magna Carta as well as U.S. Supreme Court decisions. The court dismissed the decisions, saying, “We believe however that a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.”

[sniper7]

Im just glad a dog wasn't involved.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

We have failed as a society:

I don't suppose you have any idea why they ruled that way, do you?

[Wulf202]

I didn't see your comment while I was typing... Read my comment.

my comment was not about this case but about another ongoing case against Greeley pd.

they are getting tired of criminals up here but they are ignoring parts of the constitution to accomplish their goals it seems.

[UncleDave]

I don't suppose you have any idea why they ruled that way, do you?

It does not matter why they ruled that way. They admitted that their decision flys in the face of hundreds of years of precedents including the Supreme Court of the United States, which is binding law of the land.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

my comment was not about this case but about another ongoing case against Greeley pd.

they are getting tired of criminals up here but they are ignoring parts of the constitution to accomplish their goals it seems.

Ok. Well... My comment still stands... If the police are told that there is a fugitive in your house... Depending on what the fugitive is wanted for... They're gonna come kick your door down.. And you can't tell them to stop..