ATF agents point machine guns at 8-year-old Burst into home after being told fugitive had moved out

[Zundfolge]

I don't suppose you have any idea why they ruled that way, do you?

Yes, because our Constitution is an impediment to tyrants. The Tyrants are rising (at all levels of government) and thus the Constitution must be limited piece by piece until eliminated.

Ok. Well... My comment still stands... If the police are told that there is a fugitive in your house... Depending on what the fugitive is wanted for... They're gonna come kick your door down.. And you can't tell them to stop..

That's part of the problem. "Kicking down doors" is something that should ONLY be reserved for hostage rescue. Period. At least it would be in the Constitutional Republic America was designed to be but then I refer to my first comment.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Yes, because our Constitution is an impediment to tyrants. The Tyrants are rising (at all levels of government) and thus the Constitution must be limited piece by piece until eliminated.

Tell the SWAT team that just kicked in your door that you'd like them to leave... Resist and it'll only be worse for you. It'd be SAFER for you to NOT resist...

That's part of the problem. "Kicking down doors" is something that should ONLY be reserved for hostage rescue. Period. At least it would be in the Constitutional Republic America was designed to be but then I refer to my first comment.

No... You thinking that is part of the problem... You've more or less just said that harboring a fugitive should be legal.. Which it shouldn't be.

[UncleDave]

That kicking in of doors because we think someone might be in this house is one of the reasons the founding fathers rose up. It was one of the main reasons for the uprising that brought about the Magna Carta. It was also one of the main reasons for several hundred years of fighting in Ireland.

[flan7211]

[quote=Zundfolge;492909]Yes, because our Constitution is an impediment to tyrants. The Tyrants are rising (at all levels of government) and thus the Constitution must be limited piece by piece until eliminated.

Hear, hear. What is being touted as a "Pro-Police" set of rules is really just the withering away of the Anglo speaking worlds' tradition of a man's home is his castle.

[Wulf202]

Ok. Well... My comment still stands... If the police are told that there is a fugitive in your house... Depending on what the fugitive is wanted for... They're gonna come kick your door down.. And you can't tell them to stop..

welcome to a police state.

[Zundfolge]

No... You thinking that is part of the problem... You've more or less just said that harboring a fugitive should be legal.. Which it shouldn't be.

No I said that the people should be have the right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Machine-gun toting thugs acting as agents of the state, kicking in doors willy nilly is not how America is supposed to be constituted.

Too many in law enforcement see our constitution as an impediment to be worked around or eliminated ... when they finally get their way it's really going to suck to live here (for them too).

So you seem to be more or less saying that you'd rather live in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany or Illinois.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

welcome to a police state.

Welcome to a thing called an arrest warrant...

We can play this game all you want.

Funny thing: In 24 years of life the police have never kicked down my door... Call me crazy, but I think it's because I've never done anything wrong.

[Wulf202]

Ok. Well... My comment still stands... If the police are told that there is a fugitive in your house... Depending on what the fugitive is wanted for... They're gonna come kick your door down.. And you can't tell them to stop..

in the second article posted they give details that the person hadn't lived there in a year.

someone dropped the ball. more likely the atf agents and Greeley pd was just the muscle.

[Great-Kazoo]

If we compared responses here to the Aurora PD 2 hour fugitive waiting thread have any of the opinions changed since this thread is ATF/ICE and the other is Local PD?

[Zundfolge]

Funny thing: In 24 years of life the police have never kicked down my door... Call me crazy, but I think it's because I've never done anything wrong.

Well if we give the police more latitude to act as roving gangs of thugs or as military specops units then that statement will become less and less the reality for more and more law abiding Americans.