Political Ramifications of SCOTUS ruling

[Goodburbon]

The political fallout?

That "conservative" court we HAVE to preserve by electing Romney argument is dead. The "conservatives" have sold us out.

Now, tell me again why I should vote for a progressive Republican, vs a progressive Democrat? Be sure to insult me in the process, while you do the same thing over and over again hoping for better results each time. Explain to me in detail how you justify giving our country to a more and more progressive Republican party, while you ignore candidates you actually agree with because "the alternative is worse".

[Bailey Guns]

Every liberal citation to Wickard will be countered by a conservative citing to Chief Justice Roberts's opinion: "If no enumerated power authorizes Congress to pass a certain law, that law may not be enacted, even if it would not violate any of the express prohibitions in the Bill of Rights or elsewhere in the Constitution. . . . The Court today holds that our Constitution protects us from federal regulation under the Commerce Clause so long as we abstain from the regulated activity. The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. . . . The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance." (National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, Slip op. at 3, 41-42, 44)

Do any of you not understand how significant that statement is? That is one of the MOST conservative rulings by a supreme court justice in our lifetimes.

ETA: Nevermind...stupid question apparently.

There is now a formal United States Supreme Court opinion on the books, overdue by nearly a century, holding that the federal government may not wield the Commerce Clause to impose on American citizens the obligation to buy health insurance or anything else we do not want. An American cannot be compelled by federal mandate to eat or even to buy a proverbial stalk of broccoli. As a kosher consumer, the federal government cannot wield that clause to impose on me an obligation to purchase non-kosher food supplements. The rules guiding lower-court wrestling matches over federal power to invade Americans' private lives now have been reset remarkably by Chief Justice Roberts. Few today notice what he has done. Long after many of us are gone, this 5-4 opinion finally setting limits on the reach of the Commerce Clause will continue to affect American lives and protect private citizens from Washington's intrusions.

Yeah...let O-care be ruled constitutional. I'm OK with that because conservatives won several far more important battles with Roberts' ruling.

[Bailey Guns]

The political fallout?

That "conservative" court we HAVE to preserve by electing Romney argument is dead. The "conservatives" have sold us out.

Now, tell me again why I should vote for a progressive Republican, vs a progressive Democrat? Be sure to insult me in the process, while you do the same thing over and over again hoping for better results each time. Explain to me in detail how you justify giving our country to a more and more progressive Republican party, while you ignore candidates you actually agree with because "the alternative is worse".

Ya know...we can explain it to you but we can't understand it for you.

[Goodburbon]

Ya know...we can explain it to you but we can't understand it for you.

Bailey, we'll be at odds on this forever, and that's ok. I know where you're coming from but the net effect is us losing even when we "win" as long as most conservatives believe as you do.

[JohnTRourke]

And if republicans hold a majority in both houses I will bank on it being a done deal. It WILL get repealed.

bet accepted
by Dec 31st 2013?
repealed you win
not repealed I win

lunch of winner's choice.

[Bailey Guns]

bet accepted
by Dec 31st 2013?
repealed you win
not repealed I win

lunch of winner's choice.

I didn't realize it was a bet but, OK. I'll take that. Of course, I'm not going to bet that republicans keep the house and win the senate. So it may be a moot point.

[Sharpienads]

I didn't realize it was a bet but, OK. I'll take that. Of course, I'm not going to bet that republicans keep the house and win the senate. So it may be a moot point.

I think that's a pretty safe bet.

[Bailey Guns]

Bailey, we'll be at odds on this forever, and that's ok. I know where you're coming from but the net effect is us losing even when we "win" as long as most conservatives believe as you do.

Plenty of evidence has been presented that this was a big win for conservatives. You just have to take your "I hate the status-quo" blinders off long enough to look at the decision objectively.

As it's already been pointed out, several times, the Commerce Clause that liberals have used for decades to support their agenda was gutted on Thurs.

All Roberts actually did was say the "penalty" to be levied on people for not buying health care is actually a "tax" and congress has the authority to tax. Most people will buy health care anyway.

On every other point he agreed with Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito and made several rulings against O-care and liberals in general.

In the months and years to come liberals will come to hate this ruling.

[Bailey Guns]

I think that's a pretty safe bet.

What, exactly? That O-care will be repealed or house/senate will stay/become republican?