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    Default Interesting take on Roberts/Beehocare

    I came across an interesting article on the Beehocare decision and why it might be very good for conservatives in the long run.

    http://visiontoamerica.org/10680/did...-the-liberals/

    In thinking about this further, it seems to me this forces Democrats to use tax increases as the basis of proposing future statist legislation. While they could pass that in a democrat-controlled congress, we have seen how unpopular tax increases are to the american public at large. This will make it very hard to push forward future legislation based on tax increases, methinx. It will take time to see how this plays out, but I think IF the Republicans can take the Senate and White house in November and get rid of Beehocare, this decision could have some long-term benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack View Post
    I came across an interesting article on the Beehocare decision and why it might be very good for conservatives in the long run.
    I understand the desire to look for silver linings, but the fact that the individual mandate was upheld (even as just a tax) is the single most massive reduction in individual liberty in American history ... bad enough that I'm not convinced we come back from this.

    In thinking about this further, it seems to me this forces Democrats to use tax increases as the basis of proposing future statist legislation.
    Then the answer is clear, we need a TABOR amendment to the US Constitution.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Then the answer is clear, we need a TABOR amendment to the US Constitution.
    I'd LOVE to see that enacted! Requiring voter approval of tax increases is the way to go!!

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    With the racist demographic shift being shoved down our throat, Libs could take the country in 10-20 years. Thats the end of the end. They will ignore, as they do in England, race crimes committed against Whites. They will suck the private sector dry. Etc. And more weird freakish supreme court nominees who believe in a 'living constitution'.

    Its basicly over, just a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocktot View Post
    With the racist demographic shift being shoved down our throat, Libs could take the country in 10-20 years.
    The flaw in that theory is that second generation immigrants tend to be more conservative than first generation (and third more than second, and so-on) until after a few generations, minority immigrants tend to be as conservative as whites born here. Blacks descended from slaves don't seem to follow this but even black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean tend to follow this trend.

    Non-white immigration isn't the problem (well at least not legal non-white immigration).


    Libs are only 20% of the population, conservatives are 40-45% and the remaining 35-40% are the wishy-washy "independents".
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
    -Penn Jillette

    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Interedasting indeed......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Libs are only 20% of the population, conservatives are 40-45% and the remaining 35-40% are the wishy-washy "independents".
    I would love to see a source on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Libs are only 20% of the population, conservatives are 40-45% and the remaining 35-40% are the wishy-washy "independents".
    i have read this too, but i think voters, especially lefties love to identify as 'independents' so they don't feel defined by a party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TS12000 View Post
    I would love to see a source on this
    From Gallup



    Fine ... they use the term "Moderates" instead of "Independents".
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
    -Penn Jillette

    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aahorn View Post
    i have read this too, but i think voters, especially lefties love to identify as 'independents' so they don't feel defined by a party.
    I'm an Indy but it is because I think the Republican party is the same as the Socialist Dems!
    In my view the 2 major parties are one in the same as proven by the SCOTUS ruling. The main difference is how fast the transition to a socialist state happens.
    ObamaCare and RomneyCare are so close as to be perceived by me as identical.
    Romney will not get my vote.

    Until real conservatives start to vote their conscience instead of voting for a Republican the sooner a change can actually happen. The whole idea and spewing "throwing away a 3rd party vote" is just a way of complying and contributing to the mess we are in.

    You shouldn't have to plug your nose to vote. Vote and act with your heart/mind/wallet and a change will happen.

    BTW I have close friends who all feel this way and are independent. We are NOT wishy-washy at all.
    I say lets all remove the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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