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    Beware any politician in their final term, irrespective of party affiliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    massive surge in gun and ammo sales sends quite the message.
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    Any elected official who proposes or acts to cripple one of the countries strongest industries commits political suicide, especially with an economy like this.
    Thing is the GOP realizes this fact but will they capitalize on it and the Dems will sacrifice themselves to further an agenda.
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    I guess what disturbs me most is the fact that any weapon is an assault weapon when used to bring harm on another person. Be it a baseball bat, a crude club, a knife, a sword, a firearm, etc. etc.

    I would kind of expect a more pro-gun rights from Mitt with him being a Mormon and all. I speak on that with first-hand knowledge of many things that are all-Mormon. They like their guns, at least all the ones I know do.

    So maybe I question whether or not he really is a true Mormon. One way or another, sooner or later, the government is going to try and take them away. Cheaper-Than-Dirt still has those burial tubes on sale, just saying...

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    Why does this feel like 2004 all over again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Did you vote for Bush? If so he promised to sign an AWB renewal if it came across his desk. It never did.

    Presidents don't write legislation, they just sign it into law. In its current state the legislature is loathe to consider any gun control laws and after November it'll be even less likely.

    No, Mittens ain't perfect but he won't sign non-existent gun control bills into law and he certainly won't sign the UN gun control treaty. Obama will sign the UN treaty and he'll use extra constitutional means to institute gun control through back channels (you know, like killing hundreds of Mexicans to make American gun dealers look bad).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caithford View Post
    Why does this feel like 2004 all over again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    No, Mittens ain't perfect but he won't sign non-existent gun control bills into law and he certainly won't sign the UN gun control treaty. Obama will sign the UN treaty and he'll use extra constitutional means to institute gun control through back channels (you know, like killing hundreds of Mexicans to make American gun dealers look bad).
    Both Obama & Romney will do whatever is politically expedient. Assuming either one won't mess with 2A if it would further their political lifespan is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    Both Obama & Romney will do whatever is politically expedient. Assuming either one won't mess with 2A if it would further their political lifespan is laughable.
    This is just dead wrong. I do believe that if Romney thought it was politically expedient he'd support gun control legislation (which he did in uberliberal Mass), but its clear that it would be political suicide for him now, plus like I said before PRESIDENTS DON'T WRITE THE EFFING LEGISLATION (and the direction the Congress is going is far far away from gun control).

    Obama will have no need for political expedience if he's re-elected so he'll run full tilt with ALL his anti-American ideologically driven agendas (of which gun control is just one).

    This notion that Obama=Romney=Obama is just bullshit. No, Romney is not a "rock ribbed" conservative, no he's not going to be Reagan reincarnated, but Obama is 110% pure anti-American evil. If he's re-elected America is over.

    Honest to God I'd vote for Bill Clinton over Obama and I can't STAND that smug, womanizing, libtard SOB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    Both Obama & Romney will do whatever is politically expedient.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    I do believe that if Romney thought it was politically expedient he'd support gun control legislation.
    Let me see if I understand this correctly:

    I state that 1+1=2 and I'm "dead wrong"
    You state that 1+1=2 and it's a whole different story?!

    Reread my post until clarity is achieved. Take all the time you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    Reread my post until clarity is achieved. Take all the time you need.
    No you're the one lacking in the reading comprehension here.

    Romney may support gun control if its politically expedient, however 1) support of gun control is now politically dangerous and has been widely acknowledged as such since Algore lost in 2000 in part because of it and 2) Romney can't write gun control laws, just sign them after they pass the house and senate (which won't pass them now even with dems in control of the senate and certainly won't even vote on them after the repubs take over the senate and get even more control in the house).

    HOWEVER, Obama has proved that he will push for gun control regardless of the political damage it does to him and his party AND he'll do it in extra-constitutional ways (Fast & Furious is but one example).


    The big difference is that Romney does what will get him elected and re-elected (which for the foreseeable future is to act like a conservative). Obama will do whatever he damn well pleases (and Marxism and the end of America please him greatly).

    Therefore your point that both of them will do the politically expedient thing is wrong. Obama is a pure ideologue.

    If there was a viable third choice I'd be all over it, but there is no Magical Libertarian Unicorn Messiah that can win the election.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
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    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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