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    Fleeing Idaho to get IKEA Bailey Guns's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    I am proof. Don't be so quick to talk about people whom you do not understand.
    I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. Just responding to your post. Many people on this board have adamantly stated they won't vote for Romney because he's:

    • the same as Obama
    • the same as other republicans
    • not the same as other republicans
    • not the perfect candidate
    • puts his right sock on before the left

    Many here have also said they'll take their vote and go home or vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate rather than vote for Romney because at least they'll have "a clear conscience". And they're perfectly free to do that. But in my opinion it's cutting off the nose to spite the face. And that's the fast-track way to a 2nd Obama term.

    I, and others, have listed many ways (ad nauseum) how Romney IS NOT the same as Obama but still the platitude survives. The Paul supporters tell us we should not compromise our values and vote for someone with whom we don't agree. Well, I don't agree with many things Paul says he wants to do. And I don't fully agree with the libertarian party, either. So for you to say that everyone who's ever thought of voting for a 3rd party candidate should vote libertarian is something that I can't support in the slightest and I think it's an attempt at a "one size fits all" solution that doesn't work for many people.

    As a matter of fact, I've yet to find a perfect candidate and I've been voting since 1978. And I have voted 3rd party (Perot)...big mistake and valuable and expensive lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again.
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    I hope Romney is not another Obama, just like I hoped Obama wouldn't be another Bush, just like I hoped that Bush wouldn't be another Clinton, just like....... Oh, whatever....
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    Paul haters just cannot be still. You got your wish, now please stop gloating.

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    Yep, Romney is the nominee. So I'm just not Republican. I may cast a vote for him, I may sit at home. I may just not care anymore, because I'm wrong for wanting what I want...My constitutional rights and a leader that understands them.

    You anti Paul guys are the ones who don't seem to get it. I totally get it. You're caught up in an OMG THE OTHER GUY IS THE DEVIL argument that the republicans are putting out.

    Paul was a way to pull me back into the party that betrayed me... all of us. That's why I was for him getting the nomination.

    I trusted them with my vote for Bush over the ALGORE. Then I couldn't possibly let that flip flopper swift boat captain get into office so voted Bush again. I voted for McCain because it's what I was supposed to do, even though I was less than thrilled with him a s a candidate. He was the nominee before I even had a say. Then one day I woke up and realized that the Republicans were doing damage to our rights as well. Not only that, they were compromising with the dems on fundamental issues on the grounds of "reaching across the aisle", Unity, etc. Both sides are against me. I'm a conservative libertarian. Personally I think religion is stupid, but respect everyone else's right to believe what they choose, and show reverence toward their decisions. I'm rewarded by blue laws, Vanity taxes and "sin" taxes. I don't believe in sin, yet I'm taxed for it. I also believe in the constitution as written, no magical interpretations or wacky definitions of "the people", "arms", "shall not" etc. NEITHER PARTY OFFERS ME WHAT I WANT. I'm a constitutional conservative, not a religious progressive, or a socialist progressive, or a religious conservative, progressive conservative etc. For me it's like watching two dogs fight over my dinner, no matter who wins, I lose.

    Those of you who insist I don't get it... I get it, I've already lost. Insult me all you like, call me a Paul Bot, an idiot, say that my vote is wasted, that I might as well vote for Obama. You're right, I might as well, because he offers me just as much that I agree with as a Conservative, progressive, religious, anti gun guy. Either way, I lose.

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    @Goodburbon: glad to see you in here again, buddy, posting common sense despite the melee of paranoia and nonsense from both sides. It's nice to know that I'm not alone. Great post.

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    @Goodburbon and Teufelhund: You guys certainly are not alone.
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    Jeez. Where were you guys when all the epic Paul vs. Establishment Assholes were going on? It got a little lonely there for awhile.

    Most of those debates have all gone to internet heaven due to the great crash of 2012.
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    Goodburbon- no party can fully satisfy anyone, but to spew this asinine argument that Mitt is Obama-lite or any other wholly false assumption (because until they're elected we can't be 100% sure how they'll actually act) just further makes you look like you're trying to alienate those of us who actually put aside that stupid "lesser of two evils" crap and recognize "anyone but Obama at this point." Because if you really look at it, I'd rather have Wild Bill Clinton with the Republican congress than Obama, at least Billy-boy did what congress told him, Obama just says "yeah yeah, whatever... I DO WHAT I WANT!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryjcom View Post
    Jeez. Where were you guys when all the epic Paul vs. Establishment Assholes were going on? It got a little lonely there for awhile.

    Most of those debates have all gone to internet heaven due to the great crash of 2012.
    Sorry, I was in California for my job. Tens of thousands of Paul supporters walking around everywhere I went... and I lived in the Central Coast area, not LA or SF!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. Just responding to your post. Many people on this board have adamantly stated they won't vote for Romney because he's:

    • the same as Obama
    • the same as other republicans
    • not the same as other republicans
    • not the perfect candidate
    • puts his right sock on before the left

    Many here have also said they'll take their vote and go home or vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate rather than vote for Romney because at least they'll have "a clear conscience". And they're perfectly free to do that. But in my opinion it's cutting off the nose to spite the face. And that's the fast-track way to a 2nd Obama term.

    I, and others, have listed many ways (ad nauseum) how Romney IS NOT the same as Obama but still the platitude survives. The Paul supporters tell us we should not compromise our values and vote for someone with whom we don't agree. Well, I don't agree with many things Paul says he wants to do. And I don't fully agree with the libertarian party, either. So for you to say that everyone who's ever thought of voting for a 3rd party candidate should vote libertarian is something that I can't support in the slightest and I think it's an attempt at a "one size fits all" solution that doesn't work for many people.

    As a matter of fact, I've yet to find a perfect candidate and I've been voting since 1978. And I have voted 3rd party (Perot)...big mistake and valuable and expensive lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again.

    Just so you know. When it comes to politics you are a real A hole. If some one doesn't agree with you; they are mocked and ridiculed. God forbid that other people have a though process different then you.

    Also To add a balancing point. I commend your strong political opinions. I am sure once separated from political talk (like most people) my opinion of you would be a lot different.

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