For all you 3rd Party Zealots

[Bailey Guns]

I am proof. Don't be so quick to talk about people whom you do not understand.

I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. Just responding to your post. Many people on this board have adamantly stated they won't vote for Romney because he's:

• the same as Obama
• the same as other republicans
• not the same as other republicans
• not the perfect candidate
• puts his right sock on before the left

Many here have also said they'll take their vote and go home or vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate rather than vote for Romney because at least they'll have "a clear conscience". And they're perfectly free to do that. But in my opinion it's cutting off the nose to spite the face. And that's the fast-track way to a 2nd Obama term.

I, and others, have listed many ways (ad nauseum) how Romney IS NOT the same as Obama but still the platitude survives. The Paul supporters tell us we should not compromise our values and vote for someone with whom we don't agree. Well, I don't agree with many things Paul says he wants to do. And I don't fully agree with the libertarian party, either. So for you to say that everyone who's ever thought of voting for a 3rd party candidate should vote libertarian is something that I can't support in the slightest and I think it's an attempt at a "one size fits all" solution that doesn't work for many people.

As a matter of fact, I've yet to find a perfect candidate and I've been voting since 1978. And I have voted 3rd party (Perot)...big mistake and valuable and expensive lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again.

[bryjcom]

I hope Romney is not another Obama, just like I hoped Obama wouldn't be another Bush, just like I hoped that Bush wouldn't be another Clinton, just like....... Oh, whatever....

[milwaukeeshaker]

Paul haters just cannot be still. You got your wish, now please stop gloating.

[bobbyfairbanks]

I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. Just responding to your post. Many people on this board have adamantly stated they won't vote for Romney because he's:

• the same as Obama
• the same as other republicans
• not the same as other republicans
• not the perfect candidate
• puts his right sock on before the left

Many here have also said they'll take their vote and go home or vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate rather than vote for Romney because at least they'll have "a clear conscience". And they're perfectly free to do that. But in my opinion it's cutting off the nose to spite the face. And that's the fast-track way to a 2nd Obama term.

I, and others, have listed many ways (ad nauseum) how Romney IS NOT the same as Obama but still the platitude survives. The Paul supporters tell us we should not compromise our values and vote for someone with whom we don't agree. Well, I don't agree with many things Paul says he wants to do. And I don't fully agree with the libertarian party, either. So for you to say that everyone who's ever thought of voting for a 3rd party candidate should vote libertarian is something that I can't support in the slightest and I think it's an attempt at a "one size fits all" solution that doesn't work for many people.

As a matter of fact, I've yet to find a perfect candidate and I've been voting since 1978. And I have voted 3rd party (Perot)...big mistake and valuable and expensive lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again.

Just so you know. When it comes to politics you are a real A hole. If some one doesn't agree with you; they are mocked and ridiculed. God forbid that other people have a though process different then you.

Also To add a balancing point. I commend your strong political opinions. I am sure once separated from political talk (like most people) my opinion of you would be a lot different.

[Ronin13]

Just so you know. When it comes to politics you are a real A hole. If some one isn't very politically smart or informed; they are mocked and ridiculed. God forbid that other people have a though process different then you.

Fixed for you...

[milwaukeeshaker]

Yep, a--hole OP #2 just checked in.

[Badger]

As a matter of fact, I've yet to find a perfect candidate and I've been voting since 1978. And I have voted 3rd party (Perot)...big mistake and valuable and expensive lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again.

So rather than getting off your ass like some of the rest of us, you'll sit there and vote for the lesser of two turds? Got it.... great thinking there. Personally I'd recommend keeping cranium external to colon, and thinking a little outside the realm of possibility into probability..... a.k.a. turn the tables to the favor of the American voting public. (Legal, etc., but that's a whole different discussion...)

The 2 party system that we vote with has been a bullshit failed system for many years than any of us in here have been alive to see. Granted this term we're all screwed because yet again we're stuck with the decision "Shall there be a Democrat or Republican in the White House?", because at this point, voting 3rd party WILL be just like voting for Perot back in the day.

We as a country need to wake the hell up and realize that NEITHER a Democratic or Republican party will aid us as a UNITED COUNTRY. "A country that's divided surely will not stand".... and ironically that's the very thing we have. Dems, or Reps, Cons or Libs, Right or Left........ "divided".

Maybe one day we'll truly be able to elect a president based on that individual's own platform..... No party, no affiliation, no special interest group. Part of it starts with sharing this mindset with those closest to us, who then share it with others and so on. A pipe dream? Maybe, but for the sake of this country, let's hope not.

As far as this election goes, yes, any other vote than Romney, may very well be a vote for Odouchebama. But never lose track that something better can exist, it simply has to be decided that what we have now, isn't working.


Badger

[Bailey Guns]

So rather than getting off your ass like some of the rest of us, you'll sit there and vote for the lesser of two turds? Got it.... great thinking there. Personally I'd recommend keeping cranium external to colon, and thinking a little outside the realm of possibility into probability..... a.k.a. turn the tables to the favor of the American voting public. (Legal, etc., but that's a whole different discussion...)

The 2 party system that we vote with has been a bullshit failed system for many years than any of us in here have been alive to see. Granted this term we're all screwed because yet again we're stuck with the decision "Shall there be a Democrat or Republican in the White House?", because at this point, voting 3rd party WILL be just like voting for Perot back in the day.

We as a country need to wake the hell up and realize that NEITHER a Democratic or Republican party will aid us as a UNITED COUNTRY. "A country that's divided surely will not stand".... and ironically that's the very thing we have. Dems, or Reps, Cons or Libs, Right or Left........ "divided".

Maybe one day we'll truly be able to elect a president based on that individual's own platform..... No party, no affiliation, no special interest group. Part of it starts with sharing this mindset with those closest to us, who then share it with others and so on. A pipe dream? Maybe, but for the sake of this country, let's hope not.

As far as this election goes, yes, any other vote than Romney, may very well be a vote for Odouchebama. But never lose track that something better can exist, it simply has to be decided that what we have now, isn't working.


Badger

Oh, really? Well what the fuck are you doing that's so life-altering that the rest of us should listen to you...much less follow your advice?

And I have news for you. I'm plenty active politically and I'm a vocal advocate for what I believe in. I'm so sick and tired of all the 3rd party bullshit that I could just scream. I don't have 100 years to fix the system. I have to work with what I have for the remaining 20 to 30 years of my life. And right now, what I have, is the 2 party system. So you can peddle your 3rd party snake oil all you want. Your gonna find very few buyers.

Furthermore, you're preaching to the segment of the population (those that love freedom and believe in the constitution) who is most likely to listen to you. And you're not even convincing to most of us. What do you think the true liberals/lefties think when they read your bullshit? I guarantee you you're not convincing to many of them, either.

Bottom line is, take your 3rd party fairytales and kiss my ass. And after all your hardass tough guy posturing what have you come up with? Oh, yeah...that's right. What many of us have been saying all along. A vote for anyone other than the Republican nominee is basically a vote for Romney.

So much for all your preaching. But I think I'll stick to the church of common sense. And, I will vote my conscience. I will vote for the candidate I think best represents what I believe in, even if that candidate isn't perfect. I will vote for the candidate that I think will do the best job...even if it's not a perfect job. I will make every possible effort to convince others that my decision is the right decision for this election and will encourage them to vote in a like manner, for the same candidate. I will not vote for some pie-in-the-sky, minor player. Especially this year...and probably not next time either.

Fuckin' deal with it.

[Ronin13]

Oh, really? Well what the fuck are you doing that's so life-altering that the rest of us should listen to you...much less follow your advice?

And I have news for you. I'm plenty active politically and I'm a vocal advocate for what I believe in. I'm so sick and tired of all the 3rd party bullshit that I could just scream. I don't have 100 years to fix the system. I have to work with what I have for the remaining 20 to 30 years of my life. And right now, what I have, is the 2 party system. So you can peddle your 3rd party snake oil all you want. Your gonna find very few buyers.

Furthermore, you're preaching to the segment of the population (those that love freedom and believe in the constitution) who is most likely to listen to you. And you're not even convincing to most of us. What do you think the true liberals/lefties think when they read your bullshit? I guarantee you you're not convincing to many of them, either.

Bottom line is, take your 3rd party fairytales and kiss my ass. And after all your hardass tough guy posturing what have you come up with? Oh, yeah...that's right. What many of us have been saying all along. A vote for anyone other than the Republican nominee is basically a vote for Romney.

So much for all your preaching. But I think I'll stick to the church of common sense. And, I will vote my conscience. I will vote for the candidate I think best represents what I believe in, even if that candidate isn't perfect. I will vote for the candidate that I think will do the best job...even if it's not a perfect job. I will make every possible effort to convince others that my decision is the right decision for this election and will encourage them to vote in a like manner, for the same candidate. I will not vote for some pie-in-the-sky, minor player. Especially this year...and probably not next time either.

Fuckin' deal with it.

I agree 100%. They're going about it all wrong. Saying things like "2 party system, YOU'RE what's wrong with this country," congrats, instead of embracing my vote you just pushed it away. I have family and friends that have and always will vote Republican, no matter what... Hell, I can't even convince them to switch from Whiskey to Bourbon, what makes you think I'll be able to get them to move on a much bigger ticket item like voting? If you're looking to move away from the 2 party system how about you go back to school and learn how to come up with a persuasive argument first? You can't get people to side with you if you attack them. I suggest you read this and then try again.

I supported Paul financially (donations) , verbally everyday and visually (stickers and signs). It didn't work. Now it's plan B.

I am not going to get tunnel vision watching the Maginot Line while I get flanked through the Ardennes. Got to beat BO even if Plan A didn't work.

PS - just to be clear, Yes, I will again actively campaign for Libertarians for the next 4 years and beyond.

Here's one who gets it!