Mass shooting at Century 16 in Aurora

[sniper7]

I haven't seen anything he has done as president. Quite the opposite in fact, signing the bill that allowed loaded guns in national parks, and another that allowed guns in baggage on amtrak trains into law... as far as I've seen he's loosened gun laws.

apparently you don't understand how those were passed into law.

The national parks allowing concealed weapons was an executive order or "11th hour" decision by Bush Jr.

Obama worked to overturn that decision and it was put on hold thanks to a federal judge decision.

Ultimately the allowing of carry in national parks was added to the credit card reform package which Obama pushed for. He was forced into allowing concealed carry in national parks or else he would have had to veto his credit card reform act.


As to Amtrack, Senator Roger Wicker (R) of Miss attached the amendment to allow weapons as checked baggage as part of a $1.5 billion transportation funding bill. The amendment passed the senate 68-30
Obama had nothing to do with this.

On the other hand Obama ordered that 850,000 M1s from Korea not be imported for sale to US residents (such as through the CMP).
Clinton blocked sales of M1s from Phillipeans, Turkey and Pakistan

Yet Reagan allowed 200,000 M1s from South Korea.

And the guns that were blocked by Obama were GIVEN to Korea. so...m parents and grandparents tax dollars were used to build these rifles for the government to give to a foreign country and now they are not allowed back in for me to enjoy.

Let us also not forget the recent executive privilege regarding fast and furious. More than likely those documents would implicate Obama in the scandal. I can only hope one day we find out the truth.
I believe fast and furious was a program Obama saw as a way to enact gun control if it was seen that "illegal" guns were being used by drug traffickers and cartels to create chaos on the southern border.

But yeah...Obama has been great to us gun owners so far...

[Clint45]

Let us also not forget the recent executive privilege regarding fast and furious. More than likely those documents would implicate Obama in the scandal. I can only hope one day we find out the truth.
I believe fast and furious was a program Obama saw as a way to enact gun control if it was seen that "illegal" guns were being used by drug traffickers and cartels to create chaos on the southern border.

If that is true, those documents would be classified Top Secret, which means they could neither be subject to subpoena or FOIA and would not be declassified for at least 20 years . . . under the guise of "national security." By then all the involved parties would be retired from public service, if not deceased.

[sniper7]

If that is true, those documents would be classified Top Secret, which means they could neither be subject to subpoena or FOIA and would not be declassified for at least 20 years . . . under the guise of "national security." By then all the involved parties would be retired from public service, if not deceased.

I am pretty sure...no...I am positive Obama said he would be the most open president this country has ever seen.

yep...even says it right on the white house website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. That begins with taking comments and questions from you, the public, through our website.

[cofi]

We should make a new thread for the Romney obama bullshit Imo they both suck ass

[Ah Pook]

At least the thread stayed on topic for 443 posts.

[RJLou]

apparently you don't understand how those were passed into law.

The national parks allowing concealed weapons was an executive order or "11th hour" decision by Bush Jr.

Obama worked to overturn that decision and it was put on hold thanks to a federal judge decision.

Ultimately the allowing of carry in national parks was added to the credit card reform package which Obama pushed for. He was forced into allowing concealed carry in national parks or else he would have had to veto his credit card reform act.


As to Amtrack, Senator Roger Wicker (R) of Miss attached the amendment to allow weapons as checked baggage as part of a $1.5 billion transportation funding bill. The amendment passed the senate 68-30
Obama had nothing to do with this.

Obviously you don't know how a presidential veto works. It doesn't matter if it passed 68-30 the first time. He still could have sent it back, if it was the voted for again by a 2/3 majority then it would become law regardless of his approval/signature... he signed both bills the first time.

[sniper7]

Obviously you don't know how a presidential veto works. It doesn't matter if it passed 68-30 the first time. He still could have sent it back, if it was the voted for again by a 2/3 majority then it would become law regardless of his approval/signature... he signed both bills the first time.

He signed the credit card reform bill because it contained the new laws and regulations he was seeking. The rider for concealed carry in federal parks was something he was going to have to accept if he wanted his reform carried out quickly. I am fully aware of how the system works

Your first post already shows your ignorance of the system and Obama, if you are proposing that Obama is pro-2nd, I suggest you start a new thread in the political forum and let us know your thoughts along with factual evidence that supports those thoughts. I'll be waiting to see it there and will be happy to continue this discussion there. This has gone off topic long enough.

[RJLou]

He signed the credit card reform bill because it contained the new laws and regulations he was seeking. The rider for concealed carry in federal parks was something he was going to have to accept if he wanted his reform carried out quickly. I am fully aware of how the system works

Your first post already shows your ignorance of the system and Obama, if you are proposing that Obama is pro-2nd, I suggest you start a new thread in the political forum and let us know your thoughts along with factual evidence that supports those thoughts. I'll be waiting to see it there and will be happy to continue this discussion there. This has gone off topic long enough.

I'm not proposing he is pro 2a. My opinion, based on his first term as PRESIDENT, is that it wasn't a major issue for him, yet. I don't believe the same will be the case in a second term, since there is no threat of not being re-elected. As previously stated, I worry as much as the next gun owner he will push for gun-control in a second term, but you will hear nothing of it until then. He doesn't care how angry liberals, democrats and progressives are with him now about gun control. You, I and he can guarantee they are not going to vote for Romney or any republican.