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As do I, and that's my point. It's the situation they choose do it in. Actions have consequences, both good and bad.Originally Posted by meuxse
This guy in Thornton is going to have to spend some hard earned money to get this toss for something that isn't illegal (consequence). Hopefully Thornton will have to pay him back and then some for their uncalled for actions (consequence).
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Haw haw haw?..
Just because someone feels scared or threatened does not mean anyone else's rights should be violated. Given the fact he had a CCW, it may have been better to go about his business that way. If he did not have one I fully support him. I am in the middle on this one, given the recent theater shooting, but I am in no way saying he should give up his rights or for any of us to give up our rights. My issue is that he had a concealed carry permit and he wasn't using it. That shows me he wanted to make a scene and see whether or not he would be called out on it. He was, he got arrested and now I hope he gets paid dearly for it so some knowledge gets translated to people, businesses, police, .gov etc.
The issue with that will be the backlash from those same people that gain some knowledge on the subject. Now that theater will most certainly have a no firearms sign so future OC will not be permitted and the employees will be trained to look for OC. The police will learn the laws so that is a positive. The state .gov may get enough of a response, especially in light of the recent theater shootings to make a change in the law which could possibly eliminate OC all together or restrict it further.
I side with those who say no rights should be given up ever, no matter what the tragedy or situation. But given the fact this guy had a CCW and chose to OC as a way of expressing his rights is the reason he ended up arrested and not enjoying a movie without any problems.
Win.
As I stated I don't know how many pages ago, if one chooses to open carry one had better be prepared for what may come with it.
The one thing everybody has missed here: With rights come responsibilities, and discretion is a vital responsibility when it comes to firearms.
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Thank you for getting this back on track.
Originally, I am assuming ( I know, I Know what happens when you assume. )
That the OP meant this as a discussion of the OC'er being arrested and charged when the theater is not posted and the manager not following the letter of the law and asking the patron to leave, rather just called the police. And them as police officers not knowing what is legal or not.
We all got derailed onto the was the OC'er an idiot or not....
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Yes, gun owners, cower in the back of the bus where many people think you belong.
Many of my older friends, god rest their souls, regaled me with stories about taking their 22 rifles to elementary school, giving them to the principal to hold during the day then picking them up and squirrel hunting on the way home. What happened? All the news ever shows these days is guns in a negative light (if it bleeds, it leads). I know of nothing these days except OC that exposes the average non-gunner to the positive aspects of firearms (please, feel free to correct me).
It's time to come out of the closet, folks. In case you're not paying attention WE'RE LOSING!
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My feedback: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/53226-O2HeN2
Maybe this isn't a good time to shoot an ar15, perhaps some of you should put them away until The public thinks it's "ok" again...you know it might be too soon right now.
I really am shocked, and quite honestly, disappointed at some in this forum. Whether you agree with open carry or not, we as gun owners NEED to all be on the same page. Either what this guy did was legal, or it wasn't . Either we should be able to carry firearms in public or we shouldn't .
Or maybe we should contact our representatives and have the words "unless it makes someone uncomfortable" in all carry laws
So what if he wanted to make a point stupid or not. Didn't I see a thread on here about some homosexuals boycotting a private business because he wouldn't make them a wedding cake? They couldn't just take their business to another cake store? Maybe 2A guys could take a lesson, they seem to get their way. Seriously though read history, guns are demonized to make restrictions palatable, sort of like "nobody needs an AR for hunting" - just like every time before. You can't ban guns in this country but you can restrict "certain" guns and incrementally hamstring the 2nd Amendment until it means nothing while conditioning the public to the idea that privately held guns are for hunting or competition. Well if that's the case why do you need them in your home? Why can't they stay locked up at the (mandatory) hunting or shooting club? Soon self defense is no longer a justification to be "permitted" to purchase a gun. The furor will ease like every time before and after we will have a little less and our passion will be slightly more "fringe" like every time before.
If he had a valid CCW permit and was completely co-operative, I fail to understand WHY he was arrested and his property seized "as evidence." He should have been refunded his money and asked to leave and possibly written an appearance ticket. Since the officers instead chose to arrest him the city can face a lawsuit for false arrest and possibly malicious prosecution if the DA wants to pursue it.
That being said, he should have expected that open carrying a pistol into a theater so soon after the incident in Aurora would've alarmed people. Evacuating all the theaters and making a reverse 911 call seems a bit extreme though.
What has "appropriatte" got to do with anything??? It makes someone nervous so the answer is to call the guy an idiot and demonize his actions???
Seriously half the people in this thread need to go back and rethink some things. Have you ever been in public OC and NOT had someone uncomfortable around you? They are easy to tell, they are the ones who are looking right at you with that weird expression like they dont want to look, but cant help it. So your answer then is to go concealed? So people feel better? Huh...
Maybe a better answer is to OC and set a positive example for everyone? Maybe show some on-the-fence people that we are just people, not "gun people"?
Maybe, in the grand scheme of things, the way we, the gun enthusiasts who want to protect our gun rights should concentrate on positive example and education rather than just hiding our weapons in shame or fear that we might make someone nervous?
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