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    Hahaha I beat you too it MB888!

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    Point of irritation for me: cops are civilians, not a special class of people apart from them.

    Thoughts to the Constable's family and the landlady (or his/her rep) that were killed, all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    Point of irritation for me: cops are civilians, not a special class of people apart from them.
    Same here. I think it's part of this militarization of our police. I hear it all the time on gun forums, "you don't know what you are talking about you are just a civilian." Guess what, so are you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    Same here. I think it's part of this militarization of our police. I hear it all the time on gun forums, "you don't know what you are talking about you are just a civilian." Guess what, so are you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    Point of irritation for me: cops are civilians, not a special class of people apart from them.

    Thoughts to the Constable's family and the landlady (or his/her rep) that were killed, all the same.
    ci·vil·ian/səˈvilyən/
    Noun:
    A person not in the armed services or the police force.
    Adjective:
    Of, denoting, or relating to such a person.
    Synonyms:
    noun. citizen
    adjective. civil - civic

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    Civilian

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    For other uses, see Civilian (disambiguation).
    A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia. Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies, which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units.
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    Etymology

    The word "civilian" goes back to the late 14th Century and is from Old French civilien, "of the civil law". It was used to refer to judges, lawyers, firemen, police, and other civil servants. Civilian is believed to have been used to refer to non-combatants as early as 1829.[1]

    Civilians are none combatants.
    Police are non-combatants.
    Therefore, police are civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    Civilian

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    For other uses, see Civilian (disambiguation).
    A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia. Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies, which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units.
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    Etymology

    The word "civilian" goes back to the late 14th Century and is from Old French civilien, "of the civil law". It was used to refer to judges, lawyers, firemen, police, and other civil servants. Civilian is believed to have been used to refer to non-combatants as early as 1829.[1]

    Civilians are none combatants.
    Police are non-combatants.
    Therefore, police are civilians.
    You know Wikipedia isn't a recognized source, right? Only recognized dictionaries my friend...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    You know Wikipedia isn't a recognized source, right? Only recognized dictionaries my friend...
    I know modern usage has changed a bit, but the etymology and history of the word are clear. Using "civilian" to also mean "not a cop" may be common use today (and thus in the dictionary) but it's a bastardization of the word's original meaning, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    I know modern usage has changed a bit, but the etymology and history of the word are clear. Using "civilian" to also mean "not a cop" may be common use today (and thus in the dictionary) but it's a bastardization of the word's original meaning, imo.
    I agree.. The way the Military looks at it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    You know Wikipedia isn't a recognized source, right? Only recognized dictionaries my friend...
    Dictionaries don't define words, they describe how they are currently being used. The switch from prescriptive to descriptive dictionaries has resulted in just the confusion we are having right here concerning civilian. Words don't have meanings anymore.

    It stinks when you have to start any discussion by agreeing to a definition of terms. So if you want to discuss the definition of civilian don't quote dictionaries as the ending defining point.

    By the way, I agree with Paunco Villas definition.
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    If you are not active military, you are a civilian.
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