Now arrest them!

[Pancho Villa]

hahahaha ok big guy, you can associate his theories with the American School which built the US into a economic superpower.

Also other than your trite responses such as "collectivism" you've provided nothing. You won't respond to anything other than economics. What of culture friend?

Free market economics built America into an economic powerhouse, not nationalist bullshit.

Culture changes. Values continue to matter, particularly in the case of rational egoism and free markets. The people who stay and vote are the ones who are most attracted to here and who will adopt those values.

By generation 2, most offspring of immigrants (legal and illegal) are bilingual. Starting with gen 3, significant percentages don't even speak spanish. If you want a proxy for assimilation, there's a half decent one.

The fact is, I think citizenship should be hard to get and residency easy to get. Our legal system provides for that already; let's just use it

Go visit boston and you'll see a ton of IRISH PRIDE and Irish flags. No one goes whining that they're not assimilating. If they like Mexico they can go back to it any time, as you've mentioned; so it seems unlikely that people who just don't like the US would stay long term anyway.

[Ronin13]

By generation 2, most offspring of immigrants (legal and illegal) are bilingual. Starting with gen 3, significant percentages don't even speak spanish. If you want a proxy for assimilation, there's a half decent one.

Where are you getting this? I've seen people who came here, speak 0 English and their children speak very broken English. I'm going to bet that their children will speak very little English. They're coming here and building their own version of a "dome city" where they all gather around each other and have their microcosm of a society. They don't need to speak English to make it in this mini-society... but oh wait, we have to expand, because there are too many of them they need to be employed outside their little mini-society, so what happens? The rest of us have to bend over and appease them by learning their language instead of them learning ours. I know several hispanic families that only speak to their children in Spanish.

[flan7211]

Ok well you go on believing what you will Pancho. Your sociology is as bunked as your economics.

[sniper7]

In regards to illegals from other countries, I haven't seen any chinese, russian, canadian, italian, german etc etc etc flags being flown. I don't see them being raised about the American flag and reported multiple times per year, including at public schools.

[spyder]

Why does everyone still argue with Pancho in threads like these? You all know he isn't ever gona get it, he's as left with this subject as others are against guns. No matter what the truth is, he will never see it, or try. He'll just keep blabbing away with a bunch of crap and weird "facts" that he can't prove anywhere. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

[Ronin13]

Why does everyone still argue with Pancho in threads like these? You all know he isn't ever gona get it, he's as left with this subject as others are against guns. No matter what the truth is, he will never see it, or try. He'll just keep blabbing away with a bunch of crap and weird "facts" that he can't prove anywhere. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Good point. It seems like we can't get through to him, and that's kinda sad... reminds me so much of a leftist, in fact, if it wasn't for his gun ownership, I'd swear he was a liberal.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Set aside the 2nd gen 3rd gen assimilation BS, as a legal 1st generation immigrant, I am extremely offended that my thousands of Dollars in legal fees, countless hours in courts and interviews, and my field experience and degrees that were required to be exceptional enough to get my initial legal residence means NOTHING to Obama.

It used to be you have to prove yourself to be worthy of this nation's citizenship, now a days, in the name of equality, all parasites are welcomed here. And who give a flying f*ck whether 2nd or 3rd gen speaks spanish or english better.. the point is..the legal immigrant can speak spanish all they want legally. While the illegal immigrant is still illegal.

[10mm-man]

Set aside the 2nd gen 3rd gen assimilation BS, as a legal 1st generation immigrant, I am extremely offended that my thousands of Dollars in legal fees, countless hours in courts and interviews, and my field experience and degrees that were required to be exceptional enough to get my initial legal residence means NOTHING to Obama.

It used to be you have to prove yourself to be worthy of this nation's citizenship, now a days, in the name of equality, all parasites are welcomed here. And who give a flying f*ck whether 2nd or 3rd gen speaks spanish or english better.. the point is..the legal immigrant can speak spanish all they want legally. While the illegal immigrant is still illegal.

Since were throwing Generations around to quantify our stance, I am 5th Generation and you know what; I don't give a flying fuck what you speak( I would prefer English since it is our Countries language, but you get were I am coming from)- If you are legal!! "Legal" being the key word!! Being illegal undermines the process and is like spitting on those that do it right!

[nisils14]

Set aside the 2nd gen 3rd gen assimilation BS, as a legal 1st generation immigrant, I am extremely offended that my thousands of Dollars in legal fees, countless hours in courts and interviews, and my field experience and degrees that were required to be exceptional enough to get my initial legal residence means NOTHING to Obama.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

[Ronin13]

Set aside the 2nd gen 3rd gen assimilation BS, as a legal 1st generation immigrant, I am extremely offended that my thousands of Dollars in legal fees, countless hours in courts and interviews, and my field experience and degrees that were required to be exceptional enough to get my initial legal residence means NOTHING to Obama.

It used to be you have to prove yourself to be worthy of this nation's citizenship, now a days, in the name of equality, all parasites are welcomed here. And who give a flying f*ck whether 2nd or 3rd gen speaks spanish or english better.. the point is..the legal immigrant can speak spanish all they want legally. While the illegal immigrant is still illegal.

I'm on your side. Like I said earlier, my friend's wife had to go through that same thing to be legal here. I think it's a total spit in the face for everyone who went through that process to just give illegals amnesty. Sorry to all of you, but our administration only enforces the laws we agree with.