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    So let me get this straight -

    He took the risk to start his business, it grows, becomes big (no matter big or small). Now .gov wants to force him to spend more $ to stay in business. He says he'll just close shop if more of same .gov comes down the turnpike and you blame him for the decision he makes? I don't care if it's a $10 budget or you add a bunch of zeros at the end of the number. It's HIS freaking business, it's a private company. You don't like it - then go buy him out. It's turnkey as it sits and you can keep the place running.
    Are you complaining about the moral standard that you think he has to provide for his employees? What moral standard is that? The Golden Rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Jet View Post
    What moral standard is that? The Golden Rule?
    It is kind of the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' are going to show up on a business critical day. Or the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' aren't going to wait until a very critical moment to quit on him in order to hurt him.

    It is a two way street. It just depends on what side of the coin you're on.

    At the end of the day each employer and each employee decides what level of loyalty they're willing to give and what level they demand. I personally believe that there are no ethics in business. Go where the highest pay is. And employers need to stop acting like employing people or 'creating job's makes them akin to Jesus Christ. Employing people simply makes them more money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhood001 View Post
    It is kind of the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' are going to show up on a business critical day. Or the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' aren't going to wait until a very critical moment to quit on him in order to hurt him.

    It is a two way street. It just depends on what side of the coin you're on.

    At the end of the day each employer and each employee decides what level of loyalty they're willing to give and what level they demand. I personally believe that there are no ethics in business. Go where the highest pay is. And employers need to stop acting like employing people or 'creating job's makes them akin to Jesus Christ. Employing people simply makes them more money.
    His guys show up because if they don't they will not have a job. In turn they can always quit. Why do they have the right to decide what they do with their lives and he as employer does not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    Why do they have the right to decide what they do with their lives and he as employer does not?
    Um. They both have that right. Re-read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhood001 View Post
    Um. They both have that right. Re-read.
    Yea they both have the right, but the employer is seen as a scumbag for exercising his.

    Employing more people does not necessarily make the employer more money, especially if when the government steps in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhood001 View Post
    It is kind of the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' are going to show up on a business critical day. Or the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' aren't going to wait until a very critical moment to quit on him in order to hurt him.

    It is a two way street. It just depends on what side of the coin you're on.

    At the end of the day each employer and each employee decides what level of loyalty they're willing to give and what level they demand. I personally believe that there are no ethics in business. Go where the highest pay is. And employers need to stop acting like employing people or 'creating job's makes them akin to Jesus Christ. Employing people simply makes them more money.
    Nope. No such thing as two way street when it comes to employer and employees. One is paid to do his/her job. He/she doesn't like it, move on. The other creates opportunity by taking risk and putting investment and hiring paid workers. You need make more profit first before employing more workers.. Your statement that employing people simply makes them more money is false.

    Your boss can decide no call/no show tomorrow w/o risking much of losing you. On the other hand, if you do so, you may lose your job as it is at his/her mercy. Try to act like your boss and be an asshole at him one day if you dont believe me
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    Nope. No such thing as two way street when it comes to employer and employees. One is paid to do his/her job. He/she doesn't like it, move on. The other creates opportunity by taking risk and putting investment and hiring paid workers. You need make more profit first before employing more workers.. Your statement that employing people simply makes them more money is false.

    Your boss can decide no call/no show tomorrow w/o risking much of losing you. On the other hand, if you do so, you may lose your job as it is at his/her mercy. Try to act like your boss and be an asshole at him one day if you dont believe me
    THIS GUY^^^^^ gets it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwalker460 View Post
    THIS GUY^^^^^ gets it.
    I better quit too.. almost hit a water hydrant while typing that on my iphone. Texting and driving is DANGEROUS!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    I better quit too.. almost hit a water hydrant while typing that on my iphone. Texting and driving is DANGEROUS!!!!
    what do you care it is your business vehicle
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    Nope. No such thing as two way street when it comes to employer and employees. One is paid to do his/her job. He/she doesn't like it, move on. The other creates opportunity by taking risk and putting investment and hiring paid workers. You need make more profit first before employing more workers.. Your statement that employing people simply makes them more money is false.

    Your boss can decide no call/no show tomorrow w/o risking much of losing you. On the other hand, if you do so, you may lose your job as it is at his/her mercy. Try to act like your boss and be an asshole at him one day if you dont believe me
    Hey Monkey, I had an employee (OWS type) once who I had cleaning up the shop during slow times. He was slacking and I told him that I really wanted for him to get his 40 hours, but he had to stay busy. His response to me was that he would not work for someone that didn't GIVE him his 40 hours. He didn't last much longer then a few days.

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