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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    looking for better recoil control for better Accuracy.
    Not sure if it will really help with accuracy, but minimizing as much of the "recoil" as you can lets you stay on target for faster follow up shots.

    I have always run the "heavy" buffer in all of my carbines with no problems. Most with the mid-length gas system but a few with the carbine length gas system.

    I recently put together my first 14.5" with the mid-length gas system and was worried it might not cycle properly with the heavy buffer. Turns out it cycles just fine. 300 rounds and no problems yet.

    I think you'll get more noticeable results with a good muzzle device than you will the buffer.

    You can see in this video that my 14.5" middy is very controllable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    I think you'll get more noticeable results with a good muzzle device than you will the buffer.
    This^^^^^

    the muzzle device is a lot more important to felt recoil than the buffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwalker460 View Post
    This^^^^^

    the muzzle device is a lot more important to felt recoil than the buffer.

    Yeah give Ray credit, he is a nice guy and all, but I said it first.
    "The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Skully View Post
    Yeah give Ray credit, he is a nice guy and all, but I said it first.
    You posted while I was typing. I didn't see it until after I got my awesome post up. I went above and beyond. I added a video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skully View Post
    To the OP, buffer weight would not be as important as your muzzle end............i like my spikes dynacomp, people swear by battlecomp, but i am too cheap to spend that much but there are alternatives.
    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    I think you'll get more noticeable results with a good muzzle device than you will the buffer.
    Quote Originally Posted by dwalker460 View Post
    the muzzle device is a lot more important to felt recoil than the buffer.
    Looks like the consensus is you need a good muzzle device of some sort.

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    The only tangible benefit the heavy buffer serves IMHO is as a rate reducer.
    I have never perceived an appreciable difference.
    As mentioned a good muzzle device and a good trigger set up like a Geissel will provide a marked difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    Not sure if it will really help with accuracy, but minimizing as much of the "recoil" as you can lets you stay on target for faster follow up shots.

    I have always run the "heavy" buffer in all of my carbines with no problems. Most with the mid-length gas system but a few with the carbine length gas system.

    I recently put together my first 14.5" with the mid-length gas system and was worried it might not cycle properly with the heavy buffer. Turns out it cycles just fine. 300 rounds and no problems yet.

    I think you'll get more noticeable results with a good muzzle device than you will the buffer.

    You can see in this video that my 14.5" middy is very controllable.
    Thank You

    what weight of the "heavy" buffer do you use. 4oz range or the 5oz range?

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    buffer weights:
    H- 3.5-3.8oz
    H2-4.2-4.6oz
    H3-5.4-5.8oz

    If you would like to try a heavy buffer I can make you one with any of the weights above.
    I have a tungsten powder and buffers or I can use your std buffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Thank You

    what weight of the "heavy" buffer do you use. 4oz range or the 5oz range?
    I'm afraid I don't have a good answer for you. I never actually weighed them. It's just marked with an "H".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Thank You

    what weight of the "heavy" buffer do you use. 4oz range or the 5oz range?

    I have a similar setup to Ray's, 14.5 pinned mid-length gas system. The Spike's ST2 I am using is 4.06 oz, smooth cycling. I have a standard flash hider nothing more on it and it felt very controllable. Ray's in the video he posted has the PWS mini flash hider/Comp, very nice, I liked it so much, my second 14.5 pinned middy uses the standard PWS.

    BP's comment about refined trigger would go a long way as well, but those for the one he mentions is in the $200+ range. Control your rifle or control your wallet....................
    "The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"



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