Instructor shoots AI

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Haha I was gonna ask too. My weekly quota of dumb shit said/asked is filled already.

[dwalker460]

http://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/r...m-on-the-mend/

[NightCat]

Muzzle Awareness...Trigger Discipline...

nuffsaid.

My prayers are with the AI

[Mick-Boy]

I hate this whole fucking no one identifying who it was. I get there is an NDA/investigation regarding the specifics -- but it really feels like some others in the industry are trying to safeguard a certain Russian's reputation.

It has nothing to do with reputations.

I didn't name names because the lessons I wanted to highlight apply regardless of who was involved.

For those of you interested in the gossip side of it; CQB evolution, One AI and one student in the second room discussing previous target engagements. Sonny Puzikas enters first room engages targets (no lights). AI and student do not ID that they are there. Sonny goes into room two, knows where tagets are because he set it up, engages target with failure drill (AI is standing in front of target. Student kneeling). Two to abdomen, one to bicep. 18D on scene stabilizes AI. AI Will live.

Short story (lessons learned)- in the shoot house, low light, lost positive control of members inside house, no armor, no positive ID on shooters, no white lights on gun, no positive ID on target.

Soldier Systems post about the incident

[patrick0685]

still no answer to AI?

[theGinsue]

Yes, "AI" stands for Assistant Instructor.

[dwalker460]

Let me get this straight, a couple of guys are sitting talking in a room, while unknown to them an idiot actually moves into a kill house with a loaded weapon and you expected any other outcome than someone getting shot?

Huh...

Sounds like a long chain of bad decision making process.

[J]

Let me get this straight, a couple of guys are sitting talking in a room, while unknown to them an idiot actually moves into a kill house with a loaded weapon and you expected any other outcome than someone getting shot?

Huh...

Sounds like a long chain of bad decision making process.

You forgot the part about it being a low light/no light drill.

[asmo]

It has nothing to do with reputations.

I didn't name names because the lessons I wanted to highlight apply regardless of who was involved.

It wasn't you I was referring to. I heard about the accident Tuesday and in talking to some other names in the industry no one wanted to say who it was (but they all gossip like little girls). The post at SS and other places kept the Russian's name out of it and I felt (still do) like it was being hushed over.

To the larger point of the original post and story at hand:
My belief is that this is the ultimate teachable moment (I think we are in agreement here) and it should be dissected - after all if Sonny can fuck up, then we can ALL fuck up.

[dwalker460]

Your right- add another to the list of bad judgement.

It is not a fuck up to enter a dark/low light environment with a live weapon and engage two targets who have no idea your going to be there, its the ultimate stupidity. Ok, I get the need for realism, but there are non-lethal alternatives to using a hot weapon. And failure drill? Give me a break. As a professional instructor why do you need to practice a failure drill against live targets- meaning people- ?

Muzzle and trigger control? Are you kidding me? The lesson we need to take away from this is that training is no replacement for common fucking sense.