Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
Furthermore, Flatline, you're full of shit when it comes to your made-up statistics regarding home invasions vs gun accidents. The following is from a United States Dept of Justice report:



The latest sources I could find (in a VERY brief search) revealed that 75 children aged 14 and under died from firearms accidents in 2005. Now, I'm no math major, but I'm pretty sure...in fact, I'm almost certain...that 266,560 is > 75.

I will concede 75 is too many. But statistically, your made up statistics are stupid.
Your research was too brief and you should read the entire document. It goes on to state that few of those are what you are preparing those. Most of those are invasions by retaliatory SOs, rival gang members, etc. If you are a cop you would know that from you experience as well. And the tragedies that can occur is not just limited to kids, how many SIs and HIs have guns on them that they acquired from someone they knew and weren't locked up?

Oh, and 75 is wrong, just over 3000 juveniles die per year from firearms.
Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
My youngest 7 year old is 27 now and shoots guns for a living. He's probably safe around my loaded guns. My other "child" is 29 and lives out of state. He's also been handling guns since he was about 5. Education = Safety when it comes to guns.

Flatline, you're trying for a one-size-fits-all, draconian solution that doesn't necessarily apply to others. And your "stupid" remark was offensive and stupid. That's why you're catching so much grief.

I advocate leaving loaded, attended guns around the house for some, not all, people. Myself included. I spent almost 15 years between 2 major metro-area departments. You want my badge number, too? BTW...cops are generally some of the last people from whom you should elicit gun advice. Most of them only carry a gun because it's a job requirement. Most of them only shoot that gun because it's a job requirement. And many of them can't shoot for shit.
I don't need a badge number, but a name and department would be a start. And why do you think most cops don't advocate for everyone having a gun when they personally dealt with the crime that you want to protect yourself from?

Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
It comes down to EDUCATION AND PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY .
I'd venture to "guess" 100% of parents teach their kids about the "dangers" of drugs. Out of that 100% how many teach the same age groups about firearms?
Regarding the LE question and naming them. My family (not extended) but immediate has a combined total of 120 years LE, city, state & federal. I have yet to have one of them say You're an idiot or Stupid for having a loaded firearm in the house. We all agree, like you secure from prying hands / eyes is better than out in the open. I will not put an item that has the potential to save a family members life behind any thing that impedes anyone's fast access to them.
IF I followed your line of thinking, which you so staunchly defend answer me this. Where are your kitchen knives, forks & spoons? If i follow the line of thinking you advocate it would mean EVERYTHING that has the potential to cause harm / be fatal to children is under lock and key, makes sense to me. Unless of course you feel a butcher or carving knife presents no danger for kids.

FWIW: For BG I love kids. providing they are someone's else, or do not stay too long at our house.
No, the mechanisms involved in a knife are very different compared to firearms. Knives cause immediate pain before causing life threatening injury. Guns produce fatal wounds before the infliction of pain indicates harm. Furthermore the psychosomatics of knives are different as well, as they are always sharp and cannot be make 'safe'. Guns are perceived to be able to be made 'safe' by kids.

To turn this into laymans speach for you, pediatric knife injuries are usually minor while pediatric gun wounds are usually fatal or debilitating.