Shooter in Portland, Oregon

[SAnd]

More CCWs won't do any good as long as there are places that don't allow an armed public. This shooting and the Aurora theater shootings are both gun free zones. These crazies are sane enough to know to only go to where there aren't any guns.

[MATT02GT]

Yea thats kind of a fine line law from what Ive researched.... Seems like the most they can ask you to do is leave, unless its a government building

[Kraven251]

While at one point in my life I was pretty sure I understood why there were gun free zones and the legal maneuvering behind it, when I see a Gun Free zone, I am fairly certain they are just not getting my business. The cost of doing business with these places is simply too high.

Things are going to get bumpy and unpleasant.

[birddog]

Concealed is concealed, unless its a school or govt. building.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Read a comment somewhere that said something to the effect of "I really wish there would have been a CCW permit holder there...then there would have been more victims"

I've never wanted to punch somebody through the internet so much in my entire life.

[buffalobo]

Media: "Another shooting rampage"

Another step on the path...

[Kraven251]

Read a comment somewhere that said something to the effect of "I really wish there would have been a CCW permit holder there...then there would have been more victims"

I've never wanted to punch somebody through the internet so much in my entire life.

But that is the problem with the perception. You have police officers that draw their weapons that barely qualify and end up shooting bystanders in NY. You have the same problem with the CCW community, there are people that get a CCW and don't practice, don't practice under stress, or think they are Harry fucking Callahan.

I have not come across anyone in this forum community with that mindset or that attitude, but it is the general perception of the public. Did you know that many of the statistics that are calculated for firearm deaths in violent crime also include the numbers for the criminals that were killed by responsible citizens defending themselves. It doesn't list x% of these deaths were because someone emptied a magazine into a scumbag.

It is the perception of the public, it is the ignorance of the public. It is the responsibility of the responsible gun owner to help educate the ignorant masses, and for the firearms community to stress education and training for those that own firearms. We are a responsible group of firearm enthusiasts, not everyone is the same.

[PugnacAutMortem]

But that is the problem with the perception. You have police officers that draw their weapons that barely qualify and end up shooting bystanders in NY. You have the same problem with the CCW community, there are people that get a CCW and don't practice, don't practice under stress, or think they are Harry fucking Callahan.

I have not come across anyone in this forum community with that mindset or that attitude, but it is the general perception of the public. Did you know that many of the statistics that are calculated for firearm deaths in violent crime also include the numbers for the criminals that were killed by responsible citizens defending themselves. It doesn't list x% of these deaths were because someone emptied a magazine into a scumbag.

It is the perception of the public, it is the ignorance of the public. It is the responsibility of the responsible gun owner to help educate the ignorant masses, and for the firearms community to stress education and training for those that own firearms. We are a responsible group of firearm enthusiasts, not everyone is the same.

See the perception is not going to change...because even if a CHP holder would be in the right place at the right time, drop the guy with one shot and have no other collateral damage...the media would bury that story. Hell, even if they went to the potential shooter's apartment and found plans to blow up a stadium full of people, they would still not tout the CCW shooter as the hero we all would know him/her to be. I'm not saying we shouldn't try in our communities, but the type of media coverage that is really necessary to change perceptions is impossible in this day and age.

[Ronin13]

Funny, I've not seen anyone comment anywhere on the "white mask" the shooter was wearing. I'm wondering what the chances are that it ends up being one of those Anonymous anarchist Guy Fawkes masks.

I heard on 850 this morning it was a "Michael" mask, a la "Halloween."

[Monky]

Well that was a short lived story.. no longer in the headlines. Not enough people died.