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How in the heck would you even know if an LE id or CCW permit was even real?
They are different in Colorado depending on where they are issued.
Stop acting like you are a supporter of anything other than your own agenda.
What you are "requiring" is so against the 2nd Amendment.Originally Posted by Trempel
I find that ironic.
Of course it's my own agenda. Who else's would it be? I don't think that I need to apologize to anyone, because I want to provide myself with an extra measure to comfort, as false as you think it may be.
... Don't you think?
How do my personal terms of sale have any impact on the 2A? Maybe you missed it the first time, but I'll repeat just for you - I'm not the government and I can do what I want. In no way do my personal conditions infringe on anyone's right to own, purchase, carry firearms or use them in self defense. Maybe I should also add "reading comprehension" to the already extensive list of requirements? Or a small two-page essay that a buyer would have to write.
"Why I think Trempel is singlehandedly destroying Mah Rights!"
by thedave1164
I dont..... well not in CO anyways, i had one in texas, but let it expire thinking i wouldnt have a problem in CO.ok, who here doesn't have a CCW ?
and if not, WHY?
think of the money you can save
(although, I think having a CCW could have the opposite effect)
I have something on my record that prohibits me from purchasing a firearm or obtaining a CCW in CO, although i have no problems in texas, and i held a security clearance. Tell me whats wrong with that picture?
... Don't you think?
How do my personal terms of sale have any impact on the 2A? Maybe you missed it the first time, but I'll repeat just for you - I'm not the government and I can do what I want. In no way do my personal conditions infringe on anyone's right to own, purchase, carry firearms or use them in self defense. Maybe I should also add "reading comprehension" to the already extensive list of requirements? Or a small two-page essay that a buyer would have to write.
"Why I think Trempel is singlehandedly destroying Mah Rights!"
by thedave1164
Typical elitist drival.
It doesn't suprise me that you don't see the irony. Sorry, I am not an artist, so no cartoons will be drawn to explain it to you.
So, because I want to cover my ass, I'm now a "member of a certain class with perceived superiority"? Does not compute. BTW, "Dave", my nick is the same on all forums. How about you let me know who you are on 2AF? Because only members can even see the Classifieds over there, but strangely I don't remember "thedave1164" ever posting there.e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism
NOUN:
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
2. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
I have the same nick on all the forums I am on. I don't hide behind different usernames, and I am not a member of that forum.
I saw you ad posted on another forum where you have the link in your signature.
Look, I don't really care what you do or don't do. I won't be buying your guns, and you wouldn't sell to me if I wanted too.
As to the 2nd Amendment issue, the Brady check is unconstitutional, and you using the system to CYA is continuing to promote it.
Maybe through all this banter you might see the light. It is really simple, either you believe in "shall not infringe" or you don't.
I would prefer to not ask if someone is a convicted felon, they should be behind bars or in a grave. It should not matter where someone lives, they should not have their rights infringed upon by some imaginary line on a map.
I only go as far as I have to, to stay legal within the confines of the law as it stands now. I also work to try and change the law.
As to a CCW, I had one in the past, I do not now, and am not sure that I ever will again. In getting a "permit" you are acknowledging that you have permission to do something that is normally illegal.
BTW you can be in the military and have a conviction of domestic violence, and even some LEO's have been as well.
Everybody has an opinion and those are mine. IMO you are opening yourself up even wider for a lawsuit the more you do to CYA, I can hear the lawyer now "Trempel knew he could be selling to the wrong person, the fear shows in his efforts going beyond the what the law required, yet he didn't go far enough. This PTSD troubled soldier purchased this weapon of death and immediately went and killed his entire platoon while they lay sleeping, and all he wanted was to see his ID card...."
Good luck on your sale.
Ah, I got it.
If you don't care about what I do or don't do, you are surely quite vocal about it.Look, I don't really care what you do or don't do. I won't be buying your guns, and you wouldn't sell to me if I wanted too.
I'm not promoting anything and I don't care about a Brady check. I would still try to verify the buyer somehow even if there were no Brady checks in existence. Before I even posted my ad, I understood that not all people might like it. Some that don't have CCW might not want the hassle to go through an FFL and pay extra money for a transfer. Just like it's my personal choice to impose these conditions, it's theirs not to buy any of my stuff.As to the 2nd Amendment issue, the Brady check is unconstitutional, and you using the system to CYA is continuing to promote it.
Again, please explain how I'm infringing on anything. Someone doesn't like my conditions, they move on and buy from someone else. It's not like I have an obligation to sell to anyone.Maybe through all this banter you might see the light. It is really simple, either you believe in "shall not infringe" or you don't.
Example: A person is loopy in the head and unsafe with firearms, although not certifiable and without a criminal past. I know this from personal experience. They know I have a gun to sell and come to me with cash in hand. Am I somehow obligated to take their money and hand them over a gun? Like the guy who wanted my .22. I wouldn't be breaking any laws, to my knowledge if I took the cash and handed him the pistol, but he was too weird for my taste. I don't need the money that bad.
So if you had reason to believe, but weren't sure that a buyer of your gun was previously convicted of a serious crime, you'd still sell to them, because legally the burden of proof is not on you? A guy shows up with gang tats all over and you'd sell to him because you don't care to know? How is that being a responsible gun owner?I would prefer to not ask if someone is a convicted felon, they should be behind bars or in a grave. It should not matter where someone lives, they should not have their rights infringed upon by some imaginary line on a map.
I only go as far as I have to, to stay legal within the confines of the law as it stands now. I also work to try and change the law.
And I'm not sure how the location is pertinent to this discussion, but I agree, in theory. I'm opposed to bans on "AWs" and standard-cap mags in lib states. It still doesn't mean that I will break any laws selling such things to people there.
Such is life. You're free to chose.As to a CCW, I had one in the past, I do not now, and am not sure that I ever will again. In getting a "permit" you are acknowledging that you have permission to do something that is normally illegal.
Yes, but it means that they're not prohibited from contact with a firearm.BTW you can be in the military and have a conviction of domestic violence, and even some LEO's have been as well.
This is America. Anyone can be sued for anything, at any time. I'm not trying to read people's minds or predict the future. I just want some measure of comfort in knowing that I won't be the one who puts a weapon into the hands of a convicted violent felon.Everybody has an opinion and those are mine. IMO you are opening yourself up even wider for a lawsuit the more you do to CYA, I can hear the lawyer now "Trempel knew he could be selling to the wrong person, the fear shows in his efforts going beyond the what the law required, yet he didn't go far enough. This PTSD troubled soldier purchased this weapon of death and immediately went and killed his entire platoon while they lay sleeping, and all he wanted was to see his ID card...."
Good luck on your sale.[/QUOTE]
this thread is way off track.. I've moved it to GD as that 's basicly what it has become.
everyone can continue the discussion here at their own leisure.
keep the sales forum for just that, sales.
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