A post about protecting these kids in these schools

[Mtn.man]

An armed teacher would 1 do their job as a teacher.
2 then a secondary aspect would be to protect the children and act in the way they were tught and with mandatory timed training would probably do a great job.
A placed leo or armed guard would 1 cause distraction, 2 be wrapped up in government BS, 3 want more pay etc etc etc, and would probably cause more problems than good.

[Trigger]

I kinda like a couple of the ideas presented here. one of them being a single teacher with a CCW and CQB training and Restraint training. I also like the "Well Regulated" militia idea. why not combine them? there are some older teachers out there that love to each but simply have passed their prime age and have grown a little to accustomed to classroom life who simply can not preform the movements required for CQB training. However they can still carry concealed though...so why not let them. off it to the teachers on their little meetings, something to the effect of "There is a CQB/Restraint training goin on on this date and at this time, anyone who would like to attend is more than welcome." However making the training and CCW a requirement for employment is kinda dumb. I'm not trying to be ignorant of the ways of the world, I understand that Israel has that kind of requirement, but I dont think it fits into an american school. the turmoil in Israel is much worse than it is here.
anyway, my mind is starting to wonder into the kitchen and my coffee pot. just my two cents on the issue.

[Holger Danske]

Im just spitballing here... tIf teachers dont want to carry firearms, then why not madate all faculty and students wear bullet proof vests. At least give the adults a chance if they had to rush an active shooter. Also, lots of schools allow archery as a sport. Train teachers to shoot a bow and allow them to keep it in their room.

[Mtn.man]

Do as the FAA does with pilots.

[TTWHTD]

Armed teachers? Have you seen the teachers these days? Most if not all of them are weak sheep. They would just be a vehicle to bring the guns into the school. Then they would be easily overtaken. I don't want the person that is there to save lives being distracted (teaching) with ANYTHING other than that. Volunteer armed PARENTS that pass background checks (no nut jobs with a half baked desire to be the cop they never could be), advanced training (in conjunction with local LEO so tactics and info. are consistent) and arduous PHYSICAL requirements. Then they, WE, I, would have a stake in the game. MY kids to protect! The guards must have a kid in the school to be considered. Have a rotating core of however many you need to cover all of the days that school is in session. They communicate, they train they watch. They don't bust kids for smoking or ditching or stealing or fighting or ANYTHING. They shoot bad people that try to shoot our kids.

Sign me up.

[dwalker460]

Armed teachers? Have you seen the teachers these days? Most if not all of them are weak sheep. They would just be a vehicle to bring the guns into the school. Then they would be easily overtaken. I don't want the person that is there to save lives being distracted (teaching) with ANYTHING other than that. Volunteer armed PARENTS that pass background checks (no nut jobs with a half baked desire to be the cop they never could be), advanced training (in conjunction with local LEO so tactics and info. are consistent) and arduous PHYSICAL requirements. Then they, WE, I, would have a stake in the game. MY kids to protect! The guards must have a kid in the school to be considered. Have a rotating core of however many you need to cover all of the days that school is in session. They communicate, they train they watch. They don't bust kids for smoking or ditching or stealing or fighting or ANYTHING. They shoot bad people that try to shoot our kids.

Sign me up.

No.

Parents need to be earning a living so that the kids have a home to go home to. Unemployeed parents need to be out looking for a job.

Teachers are being PAID MONEY to do a job, part of which is to provide for the safety and security of the students in thier care. If they cannot do this, then they need to be let go.

Now the argument is going to be that teachers are just people and should not be asked to put themselves in harms way. Bull-fucking-shit. They are not being asked to put themselves in harms way, they are being required to know what to do if the worst happens. They would be required to have at least the MEANS if not the fortitude, to do what is right. Maybe they turn and run with thier gun still locked in thier desk, but maybe one of them actually stands up and does what needs to be done, BEFORE 20 kids are shot, or a fellow teacher is killed.

Swear to God the level of personal responsibility and fucking stones in this country has diminished to the point I feel like I'm in France.

[Atrain1]

Leave that job to the city LE & SRO program.

Yeah cause that is working great.

Fortunately incidents like these are relatively rare. Maybe two or three a year, usually over very quickly, randomly scattered across the country.

Armed private security at a public school will not be a popular idea.

Wow what country do you live in? And 1 a year is to much. And they are over very quickly that is why I want to do this, I might not be able to stop all deaths but it would not get up to 26. Who knows I might not be able to stop it at all but I will sure try.

It should be a requirement for all teacher applicants that they possess not only a quality and approved firearm, but also receive training and carry specific certifications BEFORE they even apply for a teaching position. Once hired, they are required to test out every year they are employeed as a teacher or substitute teachers.

They should also be required to have passed several courses in actual crisis management, restraining out of control individuals, etc. along the exact same lines as those who work with the mentally ill or with "troubled" youth.

And they would need to pay for this training themselves, prior to even being considered for employeement.

I completely agree with this but it will never happen. This is pretty much what I said in the other post.

I don't want armed guards at my kids school...we are not a 3rd world country that needs military presence in every public location

The easy answer is to allow CCW's to CCW in school. Just one teacher with a permit could have stopped the carnage.

Maybe if he was not shot and killed first. I think all teachers should carry and have to train at least every six months.

i would rather our teachers be allowed to ccw then see armed guards/LEO at schools

Why would you not want to know that there is a well trained guard who's only job is to watch out for this situation and to be able to take care of it. What comfort do you have now? What if this would have been your kids school that this happened to? It is people like you who I do not understand and will probably be the reason I will not be able to do this. I am going to fight for this and go as high up as I need to go as I feel it is necessary. I know this is not a 3rd world country but you are wrong if you think we do not need armed guards/staff/police on site. Nothing has worked so far and this is getting worse. When I was a kid they had metal detectors and police at my school, and guess what there were no shootings after that. I guess my point is I do not care about what the parents think about having armed guards at schools, my only concern is keeping this from happening again. I am going to home school my kids until there is a safer environment in the public schooling program.

An armed teacher would 1 do their job as a teacher.
2 then a secondary aspect would be to protect the children and act in the way they were tught and with mandatory timed training would probably do a great job.
A placed leo or armed guard would 1 cause distraction, 2 be wrapped up in government BS, 3 want more pay etc etc etc, and would probably cause more problems than good.

Why do you think this? I believe it would help more than anything. I am talking about having a well trained guard sit in a unmarked car outside of the school maybe in uniform maybe not, it depends on the situation I guess. As far as wanting more pay I am willing to take a pay cut to do this, and anyone who works for me that wont I will can.

[DireWolf]

Why do you think this? I believe it would help more than anything. I am talking about having a well trained guard sit in a unmarked car outside of the school maybe in uniform maybe not, it depends on the situation I guess. As far as wanting more pay I am willing to take a pay cut to do this, and anyone who works for me that wont I will can.

One of the main issues is also going to be response time. Having one or more responders inside the school itself at all times, who are familiar with the daily routine, along with control over all ingress/egress point would go a long way...I think the mandatory for employment option is way out, but that it may be possible to require the training for a minimum number of personnel, based on job/role.

[Mtn.man]

Anytime the government gets involved in anything it goes to shit. And for awhile we had deputies on our school grounds ended up alot of wierd stuff going on in the high school.

But hey a retired LEO that really doesn't want to be retired might be advantageous.

[Irving]

Another depressing thread. There isn't enough money or resources to provide full time security at schools. Not only is it not cost effective, but it is just not necessary. People have to be able to defend themselves. That is all it takes. That's it. Extremely simple. Right now, it is impossible to effectively defend anyone at a school, even yourself, from someone armed with a firearm. Once people are allowed to defend themselves at schools again, this problem will go away.