This could make things interesting

[GilpinGuy]

I'd rather not say what I think about communications, but instead of thinking about one huge organized effort, think more in terms of thousands of independent groups of people with the same goal.

"Wolverines!"

[Todd_the_'Stache]

Admittedly I have a tendency to be a bit of an optomist, but I think it sounds like our lefty/fascist brethern are about to overplay their political hand. In their rush to get this through, and they rush because they know that time isn't their friend on this, they are forgetting about their slowly boil the frog approach. They are going for a shoot the moon plan and this will cause the so called moderates of their side to fear for their jobs at the next election. Because those so called moderates have longer memories that about half our population and they know what happened after the 94 ban. This will cause their plan to take too long and they will fumble the ball. Or, at least I hope so..... As far as the civil war question goes, such a confiscation would be met with violence. Have a look at these recent middle eastern riots, and those folks don't even know how to shoot worth a crap. So buck up my friends the lefty/fascists must know that one way or another this doesn't end up in their favor.

[BPTactical]

I'd rather not say what I think about communications, but instead of thinking about one huge organized effort, think more in terms of thousands of independent groups of people with the same goal.

^^^Seems to be pretty effective in places like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have asked a few LE what they would do in the event the Lieutenant walks into morning role with a stack of 4473's and says "go get em".
Every one to a man has said that is the day the badge gets tossed on the desk for the following reasons:
A- it would be an unconstitutional order
B- it would be a suicide mission
C- that is the day they need to be home and protect their own families
Remember what one Marine said on CNN recently: "Unconstitutional laws are not laws"
I don't think LE and .Mil will be what we worry about.

But 40 billion rounds of .gov is a bit worrisome.....

"The chair is against the wall"

[HoneyBadger]

I truly hope I am wrong and you are right . . . but I don't see it happening. They'll tell the cops they'll lose their badges and pensions and go to prison. They'll tell the soldiers they'll be executed or at the very least get sent to federal prison followed by a dishonorable discharge. I'm sure a few will make a stand . . . but it will be very few and largely ineffectual. How would they organize and communicate? Social networking sites? Twitter? Email? Cell phone texts? SIGINT will be intercepted. NSA has that covered. I do not see any sort of coup or revolt being successful given our dependence on computers and electronic gadgetry, and people's unwillingness to risk losing their jobs and pensions.

I completely agree here. A lot of the military force is comprised of young "kids" who are dirt poor and have nowhere else to turn. They rely on the benefits more than the paycheck and the thought of those benefits going away is very disheartening to a generation that has never had anything taken away from them. I know there are groups like the OathKeepers, but their only connection and method to communicate is through the internet, which would surely be one of the first things to be shut down. We rely far too heavily on modern communications, and when the internet and phones can all be monitored and controlled, that leaves any sort of resistance at such an astronomical disadvantage... The only way it would be close to a fair fight is if everyone lost the communication abilities and expensive military technologies with something like an EMP. ..But an EMP is one thing I truly hope I never live to see.

[roberth]

Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

More bureaucracy, just what every burgeoning dictatorship needs.

Originally posted by BPTactical -
I have asked a few LE what they would do in the event the Lieutenant walks into morning role with a stack of 4473's and says "go get em".
Every one to a man has said that is the day the badge gets tossed on the desk for the following reasons:
A- it would be an unconstitutional order
B- it would be a suicide mission
C- that is the day they need to be home and protect their own families
Remember what one Marine said on CNN recently: "Unconstitutional laws are not laws"
I don't think LE and .Mil will be what we worry about.

I have heard the same thing albeit 3rd hand about some local LEO. I posted much the same thing here: http://www.ar-15.co/threads/80289-Wh...l-you-do/page3

Originally posted on 1/6/2013 by roberth

2. I do not believe that the majority of people who the government would prefer to use in a confiscation will participate in the confiscation. They'll refuse their orders and go home because they know confiscation is against the constitution and they'll put their own families and friends ahead of what the government wants them to do.

From the SurvivalBlog
Why Civilian Disarmament in the U.S. is Just a Statist Fantasy - http://www.survivalblog.com/

Veteran blogger and Appleseed program shooting instructor Bob Owens recently summarized the mathematics of rebellion, quite succinctly: "A nation with just 800,000 law enforcement officers and 3 million active and reserve military personal cannot easily defeat and enslave a free people armed with 300 million firearms, even if large numbers of the police and military didn’t walk away or switch sides to follow their oath to the Constitution instead of any given leader, as many assuredly will."

[brokenscout]

Then they will have the reason they need to shut this Country down. He said he wanted "Change" , and its the only way to disarm the U.S.A.

Is it just me, or does this administration seem hell-bent on taking this country into a civil war?

[brokenscout]

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/19/...s-first-class/

[asmo]

There wasn't a civil war/violence against the gubment over gun bans/registration in 1934, 1968, or 1994.. Why would anyone reasonibly expect one now?

[Ghosty]

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/19/...s-first-class/

Yeah, not sure what the purpose of this is beyond what the National Guard already does for disaster relief. Interesting to watch how and if it progresses...

[Zundfolge]

"John has a long mustache"

Seen a lot of references to that the last couple days ... I'm hoping it means something