A reasonable compromise?

[hatidua]

I didn't really think any of us had a problem with making sure criminals can't buy guns.

What law, EXACTLY, would prevent criminals from buying guns?

In every country in which they outright forbid civilians from owning firearms, the criminals still manage to acquire guns. Pray tell, how on earth does that occur?

There seems to be this delusional attempt to enact feel-good laws, as if to say "look, we've done something". I'm just really saddened that these proposals are coming from members here whom I assumed should have known better than to toss out hollow proposals that accomplish absolutely nothing.

If I wanted to be surrounded by Brady Campaign members, I would not have signed up for membership on a gun forum.

[Ronin13]

I'm kind of confused here... someone please explain to me, in the context presented, why a national license to speed up the purchase process (again not a requirement) and valid, 50-state concealed carry permit, is a bad thing? Here's a little personal experience for you all- When stationed in NY, I received a legal in-brief when I first arrived. The JAG officer (NY Bar certified as well) stated nothing about being prohibited from owning/possessing a pistol without a permit in the state of NY. I did my DITY household goods move, Glock in case, in the truck. As advised by Ft. Drum JAG, I arrived on post and registered my Glock with the MPs (DA policy) to prepare for it to be stored in our unit arms room (on-post/barracks resident- again, DA policy). Upon registration, the Desk SGT (civilian LEO, not MP) informed me that by crossing into NYS with my Glock, without a permit, I was in commission of a felony. Thank whatever God above I was not arrested and charged right there on the spot, as he said "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse." The conversation that followed was his wide eyed look and disbelief that in CO it's perfectly legal to walk into a gun store, and within an hour walk out with a gun (this was in 2007), no license, no permit, no questions asked. My life, career, everything would have been over right there and then. Now, if we had a 50-state legal permit for carry, issued at the Federal level, I would see this as nothing but a good thing- like the OP originally stated, lack thereof in terms of a national license does not equal registration, is not required to own or possess, and is quite similar to a "buyers card" or UT's CCW in place of BGC. Again, if I'm wrong on this, please present a sound, reasonable, and logical argument why this is that bad...

[Ridge]

The argument is that some states won't have standards set high enough as others. Considering that in AZ any bozo can go buy a Desert Eagle and conceal carry it without any training or understanding of how firearms act can be cause for concern to some.

[Ronin13]

The argument is that some states won't have standards set high enough as others. Considering that in AZ any bozo can go buy a Desert Eagle and conceal carry it without any training or understanding of how firearms act can be cause for concern to some.

If it's a federal license, wouldn't it be to federal standards regardless of state? I would think, and I suspect I'm pretty far off considering who we're talking about, that legislators or whoever would be in charge of the licensing would be smart enough to go with a high enough standard to satisfy, or include LEOs in the process of deciding standards. Immaterial regardless, that argument doesn't hold much water because it would be a federal license.

[Irving]

Just wanted to add my own "no" to the list.

[alxone]

The argument is that some states won't have standards set high enough as others. Considering that in AZ any bozo can go buy a Desert Eagle and conceal carry it without any training or understanding of how firearms act can be cause for concern to some.

but one could argue that the 2nd is a right not a privilege so then training is up to the person not the gov .

[Bailey Guns]

The argument is that some states won't have standards set high enough as others. Considering that in AZ any bozo can go buy a Desert Eagle and conceal carry it without any training or understanding of how firearms act can be cause for concern to some.

Not just any "bozo" can buy a gun in AZ. The "bozo" must still comply with federal and state law to be legal. No different than buying anywhere else in the country in terms of complying with federal/state purchase requirements. Purchasing a gun illegally can be done anywhere in the country as well, despite what the law says.

And just how do firearms "act"? Because mine don't do anything unless I'm operating them. Maybe mine are just lazy.

The minimal requirements for concealed carry in AK, AZ, VT and WY don't seem to be causing any problems...at least not that I've heard about. That whole freedom thing is scary to some people, though, because with it comes a lot of responsibility.

[Byte Stryke]

• Wait, possibly several days, for the "InstaCheck" to be completed
• Which might entail an additional trip to the gun store

That is because of the market, not the government.

That is a choke point implemented by government regulation.
All free men should have the right to bear arms. Should a Free man not be trusted, why have you released them back into society?

I'm suggesting that by going on the offensive and volunteering to regulate ourselves

SEE!!! SEE!!! Even GUN OWNERS think we need more regulation!
and that is how easy that is.

[DOC]

Regulations have always help prevent deaths. The government knows what they are doing. Just look at how regulated cars are and how that has some how reduced deaths. And we all know what fun it is to register, insure, plate, emission test and keep our license update is, because its more fun then going to court, getting your car out of impound, loosing your license, having no car. I'm sure it will just as great when we start regulating guns. /now that's sarcasm.

[Troublco]

Its a fools errand (and that kind of thinking is a trick).
If we give an inch they'll still take the whole mile.

Not only will they take the mile, they'll claim that we SUPPORTED the whole thing, so we have no reason to complain. See Byte's example above.