Anyone else see the RMGO post on FB about the NRA being a sell out?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Shit like this is why I stopped listening to or paying attention to RMGO.

[griebel303]

Shit like this is why I stopped listening to or paying attention to RMGO.

I am not far behind you.

[Gman]

Shit like this is why I stopped listening to or paying attention to RMGO.

I can see that. The NRA has made some mistakes, and it appears that they've learned a lot from them.
...and now is not the time for Pro 2A groups to be flinging poop at one another.

[asmo]

I can see that. The NRA has made some mistakes, and it appears that they've learned a lot from them..

I actually believe this will be a real litmus test for the 'new' NRA. They got their arse handed to them by their members after the first AWB -- and there was a concentrated effort to make the duck hunters go the fuck away. It didn't wildly succeed -- but there a few people on the board now with some common sense and a love for black rifles. Its no where near a majority and there are a whole bunch of them that care more about their Company's bottom line than your rights as an individual.

If the NRA fucks us on this -- and I define fucks us as ANY new restrictions on gun/magazine ownership in ANY way -- I pray that there will be a massive exodus from the NRA membership. It wouldn't be good for us, as a whole bunch of splinter groups would pop up - and we would loose any notion of a combined voice. But I'd have a smaller few speak the truth than a large majority of liars.

[Zundfolge]

If the NRA fucks us on this -- and I define fucks us as ANY new restrictions on gun/magazine ownership in ANY way -- I pray that there will be a massive exodus from the NRA membership.

So let me get this straight, if the NRA is unsuccessful in stopping ANY part of this mess then they "fucked us"?

So you're telling me that every failure or mistake you've ever made was a cold and calculated underhanded scheme to fuck yourself?

[asmo]

So let me get this straight, if the NRA is unsuccessful in stopping ANY part of this mess then they "fucked us"?

There is zero reason why any piece of AWB legislation should be passed. If, for instance, the NRA does its normal dance of "Okay we will give in to this; but everything else is off the table" with something like "high-capacity" magazines then yes they have 'fucked us'.

So you're telling me that every failure or mistake you've ever made was a cold and calculated underhanded scheme to fuck yourself?

Not quite. If I hire someone and they continually and repeatedly do not do what I ask -- or go out of their way to harm me or my business -- then I fire them and get someone else. Granted, if they do an 80% job 80% of the time - I will keep them around while I shop for someone new. But please remember that the last incarnation of the NRA has been fairly anti-black rifle and only pro-sportsman. They actively tried to sabotage Heller and had to be dragged into MacDonald kicking and screaming the whole way. While I believe they have made some changes in 'recent' years - once bitten, twice shy.

Also, don't attribute to malice what can also be explained by ignorance (or laziness).

[Aloha_Shooter]

WTF do you get this BS about the NRA trying to sabotage Heller?

[asmo]

WTF do you get this BS about the NRA trying to sabotage Heller?

Not BS in any way... Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on the issue (there is more --- soooooo much more -- if you ever care to look. Read the filings and motions if you want to really see how bad the NRA tried to fuck things up)

National Rifle Association

Attorney Alan Gura, in a 2003 filing, used the term "sham litigation" to describe the NRA's attempts to have Parker (aka Heller) consolidated with its own case challenging the D.C. law. Gura also stated that "the NRA was adamant about not wanting the Supreme Court to hear the case".^[51] These concerns were based on NRA lawyers' assessment that the justices at the time the case was filed might reach an unfavorable decision.^[52] Cato Institute senior fellow Robert Levy, co-counsel to the Parker plaintiffs, has stated that the Parker plaintiffs "faced repeated attempts by the NRA to derail the litigation."^[53] He also stated that "The N.R.A.’s interference in this process set us back and almost killed the case. It was a very acrimonious relationship."^[6]
Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive officer, confirmed the NRA's misgivings. "There was a real dispute on our side among the constitutional scholars about whether there was a majority of justices on the Supreme Court who would support the Constitution as written," Mr. LaPierre said. Both Levy and LaPierre said the NRA and Mr. Levy's team were now on good terms.^[6]

The NRA didn't even file an amicus brief until all the hard work was done - and that Heller was an, all but, assured victory.


If you ever have an opportunity to talk with Alan Gura about it I highly recommend it.

[BigDee]

Unfortunately most folks fail to understand understand how a negotiation works.


A truly successful negotiation requires that both sides come to the table and both sides give a little in order to make a deal happen.


In the event that a negotiation is unsuccessful both parties walk away empty handed. The emptyhandedness often results in someone losing far more than they were willing to or wanting to give up.


Here is the situation for the NRA and us pro gunners. The NRA is dealing with legislators who want to strip us of our second amendment rights. These people do not want to compromise, they do not not give a shit about the second amendment,their only goal is to disarm us or provide us with their definition of the second amendment which will allow us to own black powder fired muskets since that was the weapon available to those who wrote the second amendment.


As the NRA you have 2 options.


Option 1: You negotiate with your opponent to achieve an outcome that may not be perfect but it is far better than what your opponent is proposing. Let's say in this case it is something along the lines of Universal background checks for all firearm purchases and a restriction on magazines that restricts magazines to 10 rounds but grandfathers in all previously manufactured magazines prior to the restriction.


Option 2: You tell your opponent to fuck off and there will be no compromise.




With option 1 both sides could be considered winners and both sides could be considered losers. It just depends on your outlook.


With option 2 there are a LOT of possible outcomes. I'll list the most likely. The NRA goes back to congress and tells congress to tell the senate, the dem's and the majority of the people who represent the USA to go fuck themselves. Congress shoots down everything that comes their way and tells the pro gunners they are defending the constitution and will continue to defend the constitution at all costs. The MSM will run massive spin campaigns and portray everyone who is pro gun as a heartless monster(if you think it's bad now just wait), the super PAC's will come in and DESTROY every republican candidate because they will portray every Republican as a heartless, callus person who chooses to protect the rights of a few crazy gun owners over the lives of innocent children and innocent families who have had their lives completely destroyed by guns.


Thankfully I do not work for the NRA and I am not an elected official because there will be NO winners in this battle.