Holding a firearm during BG Check.

[MAP]

There was verbiage that MANDATES FFL's shall conduct BGC's for private transactions.

How can a FFL run a Federal BGC if they do not have possession of the firearm? As far as the 10.00 for the BGC I can easily see your point occurring. A FFL will charge 10.00 for the BGC but paperwork fees, handling fees etc will be tacked on. Next thing you know a private sale will cost you an additional $40.00.

All the more reason I have never nor ever will conduct transfers and sales.

The FFLs can only charge $10.00 for the transfer. If the bill passes for a $10.00 fee to CBI for the BGC then it would be a total of $20.00 for a transfer.

Mike

[10mm-man]

There was verbiage that MANDATES FFL's shall conduct BGC's for private transactions.

How can a FFL run a Federal BGC if they do not have possession of the firearm? As far as the 10.00 for the BGC I can easily see your point occurring. A FFL will charge 10.00 for the BGC but paperwork fees, handling fees etc will be tacked on. Next thing you know a private sale will cost you an additional $40.00.

All the more reason I have never nor ever will conduct transfers and sales.

I wrote it in prior post back (or maybe it is in a similar thread that is running). You do not need the Gun "in hand" to run a BGC......... make, model, Serial number 4473 filled out and signed. verified through CBI this was cool- the supervisor said YES. Can't find anything contrary....

As for the "Mandates" part- not going to happen. Can't force me to conduct a background check for someone when it doesn't fit my business profile. I must not fully understand the mandate part if what i said is wrong.

[cysoto]

... In the meantime, there is a serious fire in the FFL's shop destroying the subject firearm OR there is a burglary and this firearm is stolen or mysteriously disappears from the shop. Is the FFL dealer going to be liable for the firearm or is he/she going to hopefully have the seller/buyer sign a release of liability covering the loss of the firearm.

I wouldn't be terribly worried about that possibility; that's precisely why we carry insurance.

[BlasterBob]

I have been attempting to post a copy of a recently received letter addressed to ALL FFL holders with the heading, "Open letter to all Federal Firearms Licensees". This letter refers to FFL holders assisting with transfers between private individuals. Will make another attempt to post this letter tomorrow because right now we are having a serious snow storm which is apparently slowing down our computer service. And the internet is extremely busy with all the folks from Denver and South using their computers since they'd rather be farting around with the computer than go outside to shovel snow..

[cysoto]

And the internet is extremely busy with all the folks from Denver and South using their computers since they'd rather be farting around with the computer than go outside to shovel snow.

Funny that you would say that, this is exactly what I have been doing all day!

[trlcavscout]

Since it would be a requirement cop shops should be the ones doing it so ffl's arent raping people and so its instant like other areas with this BS law do it.

I for one will not be contributing to this circle jerk.

[BPTactical]

I have been attempting to post a copy of a recently received letter addressed to ALL FFL holders with the heading, "Open letter to all Federal Firearms Licensees". This letter refers to FFL holders assisting with transfers between private individuals.

And here you go: http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...ndividuals.pdf

[10mm-man]

And here you go: http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...ndividuals.pdf

Thanks! So for the purpose of this discussion it says; upon receipt of the gun. so I am still going to go with not needing it until the BGC clears.

[BlasterBob]

And here you go: http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...ndividuals.pdf

Many thanks for posting that and I have been referring to the bottom few lines on the first page and all of the second page. My main concern in my original post was when the BG Check couldn't be performed on the SAME day the buyer/seller showed up at the FFL location for the check to be made. The CBI may be much more lenient than the requirements of the Fed's when it comes to actually having the firearm in hand and enter it in their book for the check. I would believe most FFL's would like to physically view the serial number if they are going to handle the process.
I hope universal BG checks are never mandated by either the CBI or the Feds but if it is, there is always a very "remote possibility" that it will be absolutely required of ALL FFL's to actually provide the service of Universal BG Checks and (again, doubtful) and they could make it absolutely mandatory that every FFL provide this service or LOSE their license. Hey, with our Government, any thing like this COULD happen. They could advise all FFL's that refusal to comply with their requirement could mean quick loss of their license and that'd run a lot of businesses to their demise. These are only possibilities but they are still possible. OK, who is going to say NO WAY this could ever possibly happen?

[BlasterBob]

Thanks! So for the purpose of this discussion it says; upon receipt of the gun. so I am still going to go with not needing it until the BGC clears.

This may very well just fine with the CBI but I believe the Feds require the firearm to be entered in the received column of their BOOK prior to making the phone or computer check and if the transfer is rejected by CBI, the firearm would be returned to the seller only AFTER he completes a 4473 and his back ground check is completed. Maybe I am wrong and "beating a dead horse" but I believe that is what the Feds currently expect and require.