Form 1 question

[SAnd]

You do not have to mark the gun until it is actually assembled as a SBR. It can't be made up as a SBR until you get your approved Form 1 back. I had a Short Barreled Shotgun that I didn't mark for 2 months after I received my Form 1 back because I didn't cut the barrels until then. There is nothing that says you can't mark it before you get the Form 1 back. There is some difference of opinion as to when it is best to mark it. I normally I wait until after I get the approved Form back. I have one special circustance AR that I marked before I sent the form in though.

[68Guy]

You do not have to mark the gun until it is actually assembled as a SBR. It can't be made up as a SBR until you get your approved Form 1 back. I had a Short Barreled Shotgun that I didn't mark for 2 months after I received my Form 1 back because I didn't cut the barrels until then. There is nothing that says you can't mark it before you get the Form 1 back. There is some difference of opinion as to when it is best to mark it. I normally I wait until after I get the approved Form back. I have one special circustance AR that I marked before I sent the form in though.

??? Maybe I am reading this wrong but this is contrary to everything I have read on multiple sites. The reason for having the engraving done BEFORE sending off the form 1 is because the form 1 includes the serial number for the lower. So if you wait till after you send in your $200, wait months on end and then receive approval and THEN do the engraving - what happens if that gets screwed up? You cannot start all over again without full resubmission. If you engrave first and confirm everything is exactly correct, spelled properly and such and then submit, you are safe. There is no rule that says you cant engrave anything you want on a lower even if you didnt submit a form 1 so why wouldnt you do it ahead of time?

[Circuits]

??? Maybe I am reading this wrong but this is contrary to everything I have read on multiple sites. The reason for having the engraving done BEFORE sending off the form 1 is because the form 1 includes the serial number for the lower. So if you wait till after you send in your $200, wait months on end and then receive approval and THEN do the engraving - what happens if that gets screwed up? You cannot start all over again without full resubmission. If you engrave first and confirm everything is exactly correct, spelled properly and such and then submit, you are safe. There is no rule that says you cant engrave anything you want on a lower even if you didnt submit a form 1 so why wouldnt you do it ahead of time?

There's nothing wrong with engraving it before, and it does remove the chance of screwing up the engraving, however - SAnd was just pointing out it doesn't legally have to be done until the firearm is actually "made".

[SAnd]

??? Maybe I am reading this wrong but this is contrary to everything I have read on multiple sites. The reason for having the engraving done BEFORE sending off the form 1 is because the form 1 includes the serial number for the lower. So if you wait till after you send in your $200, wait months on end and then receive approval and THEN do the engraving - what happens if that gets screwed up? You cannot start all over again without full resubmission. If you engrave first and confirm everything is exactly correct, spelled properly and such and then submit, you are safe. There is no rule that says you cant engrave anything you want on a lower even if you didn't submit a form 1 so why wouldn't you do it ahead of time?

That is why I said "There is some difference of opinion as to when it is best to mark it.". There is no legal requirement to mark it it until it actually is assembled as an NFA item. What we are discussing is a preferred sequence on marking it. I have read several different opinions on when to mark it. The first Form 1 I did was sent back for correction because I abbreviated my name. They approved the Form with my name spelled out. I would have had to correct the engraving if I had engraved it before I sent the Form in. Another possibility is sometimes the ATF will disapprove a Form 1. You would be stuck with a marked gun then.

This is just my way of doing it. With the one exception I have done it when I felt like doing it as long it was before it became an NFA item.

[O2HeN2]

If you want to read a lively debate on this topic go here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/60985-P...with-NFA-items Read the whole thing because there's a LOT of absolutely crappy advice being thrown around in that thread.

I don't quite understand the repeated "shortest barrel length" comment. Once you have an SBR you can temporarily put any any length upper on it you want -- longer or shorter. If you make a "permanent" change (in other words you sell the original barrel length that you specified on the Form 1) you have to notify the ATF, that's all.

Just make sure you always have the pieces to configure what's listed on your Form 1 (or "permanent modification" letter).

O2

[Great-Kazoo]

If you want to read a lively debate on this topic go here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/60985-P...with-NFA-items Read the whole thing because there's a LOT of absolutely crappy advice being thrown around in that thread.

I don't quite understand the repeated "shortest barrel length" comment. Once you have an SBR you can temporarily put any any length upper on it you want -- longer or shorter. If you make a "permanent" change (in other words you sell the original barrel length that you specified on the Form 1) you have to notify the ATF, that's all.

Just make sure you always have the pieces to configure what's listed on your Form 1 (or "permanent modification" letter).

O2

That's why i suggest the shortest bbl. This way once it's approved, shelve the bbl and do what you want. Why dick around with notifying ATF for anything, other than a check on your paperwork?

Fotunately we all have an opinion, crappy or not it's merely an 'opinion"

[O2HeN2]

That's why i suggest the shortest bbl. This way once it's approved, shelve the bbl and do what you want. Why dick around with notifying ATF for anything, other than a check on your paperwork?

My confusion arises from the insistence on the shortest barrel. If you're just going to shelve it (nothing wrong with that) what difference does it make if it's 4" or a 15" barrel sitting on the shelf?

O2

[Eric P]

Thanks for your answer O2HeN2 on the modularness of the AR-15 and what is needed.

On 4h. Should I have put the name of the trust and home town? I left it blank. I haven't sent them off yet and can make this change if needed.

[Lurch]

On 4h. Should I have put the name of the trust and home town? I left it blank. I haven't sent them off yet and can make this change if needed.

Yes plus the state.

[sako55]

couple of links to help with filling out the form.

Don't forget the certificate of compliance just to be safe

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/form1.html

http://wethearmed.com/class-iii/atf-...ggpcr5q8vih776