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Hick is on 9news saying no resolution tonight... Sounds like he is getting ready for a recount. I think if it is within .5% a recount is triggered.
Hey, those vegan volunteers can only fill out and stuff so many ballot boxes per hour before they get tired and have to drink a gluten-infused wheat grass smoothie to recharge.
Clearly they need more time.
mousegun87
11-05-2014, 00:31
The lead is still about 14.5K for Bob.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2014, 00:31
I'm didn't lash out at anybody. Just made an observation. And considering the libertarian track record for winning major elections, or any election for that matter, I don't think I'm the one who needs to "get over it".
Too bad Beauprez doesn't have those 30,000 or so Libertarian votes in his column.
[facepalm]
I'm sure Hick would have liked the 19,500 green party voters as well.
You both aren't counting 19,000 votes for Dunafon. Something tells me those folks wouldn't have voted for Hick... having met Mr. Dunafon a couple times, he's not exactly a Democrat-friendly candidate. Nearly 50,000 votes vs 19,500? Yeah, that's enough to swing an election. Someone please tell me again how 3rd party candidates haven't torpedoed an election from the clutches of Republicans.
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 00:33
Hick is catching up!!!!
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 00:34
Hick is on 9news saying no resolution tonight... Sounds like he is getting ready for a recount. I think if it is within .5% a recount is triggered.
Bloomberg was on his 3rd call to the Guv, telling him. You concede now, I'll make sure every undocumented worker north of Juarez applies at your resteraunt.
I'm didn't lash out at anybody. Just made an observation. And considering the libertarian track record for winning major elections, or any election for that matter, I don't think I'm the one who needs to "get over it".
This is the thing that's hilarious about you.
You browbeat libertarians for not voting Republican because their candidates are likely to lose, as if the libertarian voters were somehow unaware of the odds.
Hick is catching up!!!!
6,662 vote difference at this point.
This is bullshit.
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 00:37
6,662 vote difference at this point.
This is bullshit.
Boulder votes are probably been counted now.
mousegun87
11-05-2014, 00:37
Hick is catching up!!!!
I saw that .... the lead is now just over 7K. This is disturbing. Hippie votes must be coming in now (or perhaps dead folks votes?).
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 00:37
Who needs sleep anyways?
Fell asleep in my chair, did Hick lose yet? What time is it?
Bailey Guns
11-05-2014, 00:37
Seems to me you'd only need to be hit in the head with a rock one time to know you don't like being hit in the head with a rock. Maybe it's different for you.
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 00:38
I saw that .... the lead is now just over 7K. This is disturbing. Hippie votes must be coming in now (or perhaps dead folks votes?).
Or foreign exchange students' votes.....
ABC has Boulder county precints at 84% reporting. Denver county is only at 80%.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/Colorado/County/CO_G-00
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 00:39
Feck,
Interdastingly enough, I'm watching the Walking Dead with the governor.
Seems to me you'd only need to be hit in the head with a rock one time to know you don't like being hit in the head with a rock. Maybe it's different for you.
I'm not particularly interested in debating the nuances of game theory and how it applies to voting for 3rd party candidates in this thread, and with a man of your towering intellect.
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 00:39
ABC has Boulder county precints at 84% reporting. Denver county is only at 80%.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/Colorado/County/CO_G-00
Hick could get it.
muddywings
11-05-2014, 00:40
Gardner has a 62k lead and Bob had a 6-7k lead....etc how does that happen?!
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theGinsue
11-05-2014, 00:41
Seems to me you'd only need to be hit in the head with a rock one time to know you don't like being hit in the head with a rock. Maybe it's different for you.
I'm not particularly interested in debating the nuances of game theory and how it applies to voting for 3rd party candidates in this thread, and with a man of your towering intellect.
BOTH OF YOU - STOP NOW!
RblDiver
11-05-2014, 00:42
87.2% reporting, ~9k difference.
Gardner has a 62k lead and Bob had a 6-7k lead....etc how does that happen?!
3rd Parties.
mousegun87
11-05-2014, 00:42
Bob pulls ahead again by 8.7K difference.
87.2% reporting, Bob up by 8,679.
3rd Parties.
Wrong... Independents.
Wrong... Independents.
51811
Or people voting with their "heart" or "conscience."
Well, I think hick will have a bad day tomorrow either way. He is out of a job and/or he now has to contend with a republican controlled senate, house and other major state offices.
Wrong... Independents.
As was pointed out, those same Indpendents voted at the Senate level. That doesn't explain the delta.
This won't be answered tonight. I've got to get some sleep so I can pay taxes. G'night, folks!
Gardner has a 62k lead and Bob had a 6-7k lead....etc how does that happen?!
FiveThirtyEight had a pretty good article addressing this a few days ago. I'll see if I can find it.
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 00:50
I see Kiowa and San Juan counties aren't showing up on AP's map. I think Beauprez could get 3k+ or so from them.
Well, I think hick will have a bad day tomorrow either way. He is out of a job and/or he now has to contend with a republican controlled senate, house and other major state offices.
Did I miss the republicans taking the state house?
I see Kiowa and San Juan counties aren't showing up on AP's map. I think Beauprez could get 3k+ or so from them.
He'll also probably pick up a net gain in Teller County, but the 800 lb. gorillas in the room are Boulder and Denver counties.
Everything else seems like it's either a wash or small potatoes for Beauprez.
flan7211
11-05-2014, 00:55
He'll also probably pick up a net gain in Teller County, but the 800 lb. gorillas in the room are Boulder and Denver counties.
Is there a link to an up to date map?
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 00:55
I'm surprised that it was this close. I thought that Beauprez would be up by 5%.
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 00:55
He'll also probably pick up a net gain in Teller County, but the 800 lb. gorillas in the room are Boulder and Denver counties.
Yup, at this point the "nickel and dime" counties don't mean a whole lot.
Is there a link to an up to date map?
http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/governor/colorado/
I'm just going off of the numbers from ABC here:
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/Colorado/County/CO_G-00
muddywings
11-05-2014, 00:56
He'll also probably pick up a net gain in Teller County, but the 800 lb. gorillas in the room are Boulder and Denver counties.
This. Per msnbc Denver and Adams are only reporting around 80% vs El Past in the high 90s. I'm pessimistic
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RblDiver
11-05-2014, 00:57
88.2, down to about 5k.
muddywings
11-05-2014, 00:58
Plus to small of a margin triggers auto recount
We might not know for a few days.
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Uberjager
11-05-2014, 01:01
I see that Arapahoe is at 75% reporting.
It looks like Boulder County still has about ~14,566 ballots to count.
So far, ~41% of Boulder County voters have gone for Beauprez*.
Assuming the remaining Boulder County ballots have the same percentage of Beauprez voters, he'll pick up ~5,970 votes there, and Hick will garner ~8,596 votes for a net gain of 2,626.
*This number seems high, so feel free to double check my math.
**Yep, I suck at math.
I don't get this. Voting for Gov is on the same piece of paper that voting for senate was and they counted those up just fine. I have a feeling there is some sandbagging going on here. Sounds like Denver and Boulder are holding out until they can figure out how many votes they need to create.
I wouldn't put it past them.
clublights
11-05-2014, 01:10
I don't get this. Voting for Gov is on the same piece of paper that voting for senate was and they counted those up just fine. I have a feeling there is some sandbagging going on here. Sounds like Denver and Boulder are holding out until they can figure out how many votes they need to create.
uhhh I dunno how you can think this .....
They both have the exact same reporting counties numbers....
Just that Gardner is winning with such a clear lead that Udall conceded the election .
It looks like Boulder County still has about ~14,566 ballots to count.
So far, ~41% of Boulder County voters have gone for Beauprez*.
Assuming the remaining Boulder County ballots have the same percentage of Beauprez voters, he'll pick up ~5,970 votes there, and Hick will garner ~8,596 votes for a net gain of 2,626.
*This number seems high, so feel free to double check my math.
Where are you seeing Boulder county going 41 % for BB?
I'm seeing BB at 27% in Boulder county
RblDiver
11-05-2014, 01:13
It looks like Boulder County still has about ~14,566 ballots to count.
So far, ~41% of Boulder County voters have gone for Beauprez*.
Assuming the remaining Boulder County ballots have the same percentage of Beauprez voters, he'll pick up ~5,970 votes there, and Hick will garner ~8,596 votes for a net gain of 2,626.
27.6% Beau. That'd be ~4020 Beau, 9817 Hick (67.4%), or a 5797 gain.
It's not going for BB, it just seems to have a higher turnout for him than I would have expected.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/Colorado/County/CO_G-00
27.6% Beau. That'd be ~4020 Beau, 9817 Hick (67.4%), or a 5797 gain.
I thought my numbers seemed high.
Thanks for checking.
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 01:16
I was wrong. Kiowa and San Juan will probably have all of 1000 votes.
I am off to bed; doesn't look good for gun owners in the state...was hoping.
muddywings
11-05-2014, 01:20
Looking County by county I just don't see it. Got to call it a night. Fingers crossed though. I expect a recount
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So basically we are waiting on the Boulder ballots that came from the kids that don't permanently reside here other than for a few years during the fall and spring semesters.
I was wrong. Kiowa and San Juan will probably have all of 1000 votes.
WTF, are they sending their vote counts by Pony Express or something?
Looking County by county I just don't see it. Got to call it a night. Fingers crossed though. I expect a recount
I think you're right.
tim-adams
11-05-2014, 02:07
Denver and boulder county will tell the tail, lets run some numbers if the current rations hold..
my estimate is Hick by 13158 or more.. (should force a recount, maybe find some fraud in denver and boulder)
Bob may get a few thousand more from the outer areas but not a lot of numbers still out their..
with denver only reporting 80%
D J. Hickenlooper (i)
73.3%
120,834
R B. Beauprez
23.1%
38,097
120834+38097 = 158931 * 1.2 they are expecting 190717 votes
190717 - 158931 = 31786
at ratio 23299 hick 7342 bob difference 15956 hick
boulder 87% reporting
D J. Hickenlooper (i)
67.4%
69,139
R B. Beauprez
27.6%
28,342
69139+28342 =97481 voted expecting 110153.53
110153-97481= 12672
8540 hick 3497 bob difference 5043 hick
lets add in freemont and Otero to see if they will make up the difference (1596 both county's bob)
fremont 74%
B. Beauprez
65.3%
8,641
D J. Hickenlooper (i)
28.3%
3,745
3320 votes out bob 2102 hick 888 difference bob 1214
otero 27.8
B. Beauprez
56.6%
1,675
D J. Hickenlooper (i)
37.6%
1,114
projecting 4802 votes 2013 out.. 1139 bob 757 hick difference 382 bob
looks like the vote leaches gave the election to Hick.
this sucks..
clublights
11-05-2014, 02:10
As of NOW...
Bob is leading by 569 votes....
tim-adams
11-05-2014, 02:19
politico shows bob ahead by 740 votes with most of the votes left from denver boulder adams and arapahoe (none of which bob has a lead)
its done, wait on the recount, hope for evidence of fraud..
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 02:28
Hick was winning for a sec. Fuck it, i'm going to bed.
I did not want a recount but we sure have it. Good night all.
tim-adams
11-05-2014, 02:33
likewise my math skills make me unhappy...
calling it a night
clublights
11-05-2014, 02:34
From the Sec of States office...
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/53335/147843/Web01/en/summary.html
Bob is Currently up ~1170 Votes.
clublights
11-05-2014, 02:40
And now Hick by bout 1500...
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 03:00
How much did our state legislature change?
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 03:02
Roughly 26,000 votes are uncounted.
clublights
11-05-2014, 03:07
Not sure But I know the R's took the State senate and I think the house too but not sure not that ...
Ouch Hick was up about 1300..... just jumped to 4428
45 of 64 reporting ...
I Think that is bed time for me now
Uberjager
11-05-2014, 03:26
Looks like they're done counting for the night. Time to get 5 hours of sleep!
clublights
11-05-2014, 03:32
Perhaps... looks like bob made a bout 900 vote come back ...
Hick by 3543 currently
clublights
11-05-2014, 03:36
Ouch .... Nope ..
Hick just took a huge jump .. by over 10K
46 of 64 reporting ... and now it's out of auto recount
5am Hick still up over 10,000 votes. At least it's looking up in Adams County there's a new sheriff in town I may see a new SBR in my future��
Funny. Denver should have been the first to report in.
92.4% in, Hick up by 13k. [facepalm]
BPTactical
11-05-2014, 06:20
"It's not who you vote for, it's who counts the votes"[Mad]
Oh and thank the douchebags who voted libertarian, constitutional and green parties.
Happy to see Daniel Kagan get ousted. That smarmy, arrogant, limey sonofabitch needed to go.
battle_sight_zero
11-05-2014, 06:31
Funny. Denver should have been the first to report in.
I find this very disturbing. Lets hold out Denver and Boulder Counties the two most corrupted Democratic strongholds till the last minute. Hell yes I believe they are rigging this election. Hope that a recount is demanded if it becomes necessary. I am sure my right leaning ballot will be rejected as it always is because they say my signature does match. I am sure that nuisance happens to a good portion of us.
"It's not who you vote for, it's who counts the votes"[Mad]
Oh and thank the douchebags who voted libertarian, constitutional and green parties.
Happy to see Daniel Kagan get ousted. That smarmy, arrogant, limey sonofabitch needed to go.
I wonder how many votes for Hick were harvested from the trash, CPUSA was openly advocating dumpster diving for ballots.
Big John
11-05-2014, 06:37
I am sure my right leaning ballot will be rejected as it always is because they say my signature does match. I am sure that nuisance happens to a good portion of us.This is why I voted in person and I still don't trust that.
generalmeow
11-05-2014, 06:39
"It's not who you vote for, it's who counts the votes"[Mad]
Oh and thank the douchebags who voted libertarian, constitutional and green parties.
And thank all the idiots who voted republican instead of libertarian. If republicans are what we need, how did our nation end up here? It's not like republicans haven't had every opportunity in the world to do what they say they'll do. My vote is that they'll never do what they say they'll do. I done with them.
But I'm sure now that republicans have a little more control, things will be different THIS time *wink*. I'm sure Obama will be impeached immediately *wink*.
muddywings
11-05-2014, 06:47
Ugh today is going to be rough
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Geology Rocks
11-05-2014, 06:50
I just threw up in my mouth.
This state has lost its mind. RIP Colorado.
What a depressing morning. Just so all the protest voters know; there is now absolutely no path to remove the gun control laws in Colorado. Removing Hick was the most important issue for gun owners in this election, the recalled seats flipped back to Democrat and our issue will now be long forgotten. With the temporary loss of of the Senate, the gun grabbers came out of this election (at the state level) unscathed. It really sucks!
Edit: Yep pretty much; all hope is now lost for us on this board...
This state has lost its mind. RIP Colorado.
And thank all the idiots who voted republican instead of libertarian. If republicans are what we need, how did our nation end up here? It's not like republicans haven't had every opportunity in the world to do what they say they'll do. My vote is that they'll never do what they say they'll do. I done with them.
But I'm sure now that republicans have a little more control, things will be different THIS time *wink*. I'm sure Obama will be impeached immediately *wink*.
Glad to know your protest vote is more important than your gun rights. State is not the same as national, and gun owners needed to unite and remove Hickenlooper...this was Hickenloopers recall and we failed. Even the Democrats in Pueblo and Colorado Springs recalled Morse and Giron with a Republican to send a message about their gun rights. However, 33,000 Libertarians wouldn't do the same thing with Hickenlooper.
Jesus-With-A-.45
11-05-2014, 07:21
Congrats on your "protest" vote 3rd party people, it sure looks like this is one election we can point to & say "yes, libertarians & 3rd party voters just gave us another democrat"
I'm embarrassed for you & by your stupidity.
Well, that sucked.... Maybe this time the republicans have figured out that running an establishment republican is not a winning strategy???
Probably not.
Oh, but he was the best chance of beating Hickenlooper, just like McCain and just like Romney.
Congrats on your "protest" vote 3rd party people, it sure looks like this is one election we can point to & say "yes, libertarians & 3rd party voters just gave us another democrat"
I'm embarrassed for you & by your stupidity.
Normally, I am not that vocal and respect those who vote this way. However, I don't care if Hickenlooper's opponent was the biggest turd on the face of the earth, Hickenlooper needed to be thrown out of office. It was an extremely important message that we as gun owners failed to deliver.
Well, that sucked.... Maybe this time the republicans have figured out that running an establishment republican is not a winning strategy???
Probably not.
Oh, but he was the best chance of beating Hickenlooper, just like McCain and just like Romney.
Dan Maes was NOT an establishment Republican, and what a turd.
The whole point was to remove the Democrat. What don't you people understand? So it's better with Hick still in than an Establishment Republican? Is that really how you see it? This state is so fucked.....
Boulder county is counting all votes by hand. Can't throw out any votes for your party when the voters can't read and follow simple instructions don'tcha'know.
Boulder county is counting all votes by hand. Can't throw out any votes for your party when the voters can't read and follow simple instructions don'tcha'know.
I dove through Boulder the other weekend and I think I lost some brain cells. The girls were cute, tho....
The whole point was to remove the Democrat. What don't you people understand? So it's better with Hick still in than an Establishment Republican? Is that really how you see it? This state is so fucked.....
It is really annoying. It wasn't about Republican vs. Democrat. It was about removing a guy who consorted with east coast gun grabbing special interests to strip us of our rights and then lied about it.
Jesus-With-A-.45
11-05-2014, 07:37
Normally, I am not that vocal and respect those who vote this way. However, I don't care if Hickenlooper's opponent was the biggest turd on the face of the earth, Hickenlooper needed to be thrown out of office. It was an extremely important message that we as gun owners failed to deliver.
Me either. BUT, hickenliar fucking screwed us, lied to us, lied to us again & still people feel the need to "make a point", a point which is never made except to show how foolish & ill-informed they really are.........well, once again congrats 3rd party voters, you did it! 4 MORE YEARS OF DEMOCRATS!
...but to some folks that don't understand election math, they got to feel like they made a difference for a few hours.
The Boulder vote counters are taking a break to "get some rest" and will be back counting later this morning.
hghclsswhitetrsh
11-05-2014, 07:40
It is really annoying. It wasn't about Republican vs. Democrat. It was about removing a guy who consorted with east coast gun grabbing special interests to strip us of our rights and then lied about it.
This right here sums it up.
battle_sight_zero
11-05-2014, 07:40
Well I am hoping for something put forward to the voters in the next election cycle that overturns the laws put in place in 2013. A November 2015 vote for such a measure would be perfect. Anybody know a group working on this?
Well I am hoping for something put forward to the voters in the next election cycle that overturns the laws put in place in 2013. A November 2015 vote for such a measure would be perfect. Anybody know a group working on this?
A complete repeal of the Universal Background Check is unlikely and is likely permanent; I was just hoping it would be amended in the next four years which is impossible now. I doubt that any gun initiative UBGC, mag law, or both will pass in Colorado during a presidential year.
Woke up to see Hickenlooper in the lead.
It's a bummer, but not exactly surprising.
On the upside of things, Republicans have managed to retake the state senate, tossed a long-time incumbent senator out on his ass, and forced Hickenlooper to actually work to keep a job that's going to put him in a position of having to deal with a senate that is no longer friendly to him.
As for all of the finger pointing at libertarians, if you guys actually want to sway libertarian-minded voters to your side, the first step to doing so is to stop being accusatory dicks.
trlcavscout
11-05-2014, 07:52
A complete repeal of the Universal Background Check is unlikely and is likely permanent; I was just hoping it would be amended in the next four years which is impossible now. I doubt that any gun initiative UBGC, mag law, or both will pass in Colorado during a presidential year.
Good thing no one cares about Denver laws :)
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 07:57
It's interesting that there are 1700 more votes in the Governor's race than the Senate race. Hum, why would you vote in one and not the other? Tin foil hat time- how many ballots needed to be filled out to ensure Hick wins?
Also, why would you split ticket Gardner and Hick?
It's interesting that there are 1700 more votes in the Governor's race than the Senate race. Hum, why would you vote in one and not the other? Tin foil hat time- how many ballots needed to be filled out to ensure Hick wins?
Also, why would you split ticket Gardner and Hick?
That's what I've been wondering. How did we almost go all red but went blue on the gov
A complete repeal of the Universal Background Check is unlikely and is likely permanent; I was just hoping it would be amended in the next four years which is impossible now. I doubt that any gun initiative UBGC, mag law, or both will pass in Colorado during a presidential year.
Even if Hickenlooper lost the UBGC would be here to stay. Repealing it would be political suicide due to the fact that the majority of people, including many gun owners support the law.
The magazine law on the other hand would have been overturned. Either way, I never thought Beauprez had a chance. The numbers in this state simply don't support a republican candidate winning a gubernatorial election unless something big happens.
Colorado is becoming far less of a swing state. I fully expect Hillary to take the state in the presidential election. New California is here to stay.
It's interesting that there are 1700 more votes in the Governor's race than the Senate race. Hum, why would you vote in one and not the other? Tin foil hat time- how many ballots needed to be filled out to ensure Hick wins?
Also, why would you split ticket Gardner and Hick? Gardner was a much better candidate and pulled far more independents in the metro area. He was endorsed by the Denver Post, which is important to some of the metro area voters. I have no idea how many ballots were fraudulent.
Even if Hickenlooper lost the UBGC would be here to stay. Repealing it would be political suicide due to the fact that the majority of people, including many gun owners support the law.
The magazine law on the other hand would have been overturned. Either way, I never thought Beauprez had a chance. The numbers in this state simply don't support a republican candidate winning a gubernatorial election unless something big happens.
Colorado is becoming far less of a swing state. I fully expect Hillary to take the state in the presidential election. New California is here to stay.
There are only 11,000 votes separating the two; protest votes could have easily made up the difference, which I see as pretty disheartening coming from gun owners who were thoroughly screwed in 2013.
There are only 11,000 votes separating the two; protest votes could have easily made up the difference.
I know a lot of "protest" voters who would rather see a D in office than an R in office so I don't think trying to count them as potential votes for the R candidate is a reasonable assumption.
I know a lot of "protest" voters who would rather see a D in office than an R in office so I don't think trying to count them as potential votes for the R candidate is a reasonable assumption.
The Pueblo recall voted in a Republican in a district that was over 70% Democrat because even they understood the significance. There really is no excuse for Gun Owners on this particular race. I work with a Libertarian who voted Libertarian all the way down the ballot except for the Governor's race; this was important.
newracer
11-05-2014, 08:26
It's interesting that there are 1700 more votes in the Governor's race than the Senate race. Hum, why would you vote in one and not the other? Tin foil hat time- how many ballots needed to be filled out to ensure Hick wins?
Also, why would you split ticket Gardner and Hick?
They said Larimer, Jefferson, and Arapahoe counties supported Gardner but supported Hick. I don't understand it either.
Bear in mind that voter law shenanigans and vote fraud probably pushed Hickenlooper over the edge by a wider margin than a few paltry libertarian votes.
kidicarus13
11-05-2014, 08:30
Well I am hoping for something put forward to the voters in the next election cycle that overturns the laws put in place in 2013. A November 2015 vote for such a measure would be perfect.
There are people still hoping for that?! [ROFL1] I guess some people are a lot more optimistic that me.
Bear in mind that voter law shenanigans and vote fraud probably pushed Hickenlooper over the edge by a wider margin than a few paltry libertarian votes.
As of right now, Mathew Hess has 33,513 votes, which is almost triple the current margin of victory; I am not reaching to far out on a limb to say that almost all of those people were pissed about what happen in 2013.
SamuraiCO
11-05-2014, 08:33
I believe because our state is doing fairly well rebounding from the economic downturn many did not see why Hick should loose his job. They don't have the intelligence to put together the Dem's attack on the industry (gas, oil and coal) via the EPA that will pop our balloon. Then it will be too late because no backbone Hic will roll over like he did with his non decision not to put to death Dunlap. But it is going down to the wire and there may still be a chance.
ZERO THEORY
11-05-2014, 08:42
Well, this has really helped with the 5 year plan. Suggestions?
http://midnightbluesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/PostCard_Graphic.jpg
http://www.familydaysout.com/files/attractionImages/x20131118054754utah-stamp-lge.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Dq3fcuqlMR.jpg
http://www.wyomingtourism.org/images/surveyTopper.jpg
I believe because our state is doing fairly well rebounding from the economic downturn many did not see why Hick should loose his job. They don't have the intelligence to put together the Dem's attack on the industry (gas, oil and coal) via the EPA that will pop our balloon. Then it will be too late because no backbone Hic will roll over like he did with his non decision not to put to death Dunlap. But it is going down to the wire and there may still be a chance.
I don't know what other evidence is needed:
1. Lying to the sheriffs association should be enough.
2. Closed door highway privatization and subsequent veto of the transparency bill passed by his own party should have been enough.
3. Flipping on the Chucky Cheese Killer sentence should have been enough.
4. Awarding millions of dollars in no-bid contracts in OIT should have been enough.
5. Consorting with east coast special interests and stripping us of our gun rights should should have been enough.
...what in the hell does it take to get rid of this piece of shit!
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 08:45
Well, this has really helped with the 5 year plan. Suggestions?
http://midnightbluesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/PostCard_Graphic.jpg
http://www.familydaysout.com/files/attractionImages/x20131118054754utah-stamp-lge.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Dq3fcuqlMR.jpg
http://www.wyomingtourism.org/images/surveyTopper.jpg
Would be any number of locations in AZ, or St. George Utah for me. Unfortunately 50% of the vote in my household says no heat.
Well, this has really helped with the 5 year plan. Suggestions?
No doubt; my son graduates in four years and i am gone.
BPTactical
11-05-2014, 08:46
On a brighter note and one that should make us all very happy:
Can you imagine the hissy fit Obarryo threw when he realized he lost his senate?
That my friends is a victory I will goad in. We may have lost a battle here but look at the big picture, Barryo and his ilk got their asses served to them on a platter.
Find solace in that plus the fact Hickypoopy will now hopefully meet stiff resistance in imparting the "D" ideals.
Hell, making him squirm and grumpy the next four years is worth it in a way.
GunsRBadMMMMKay
11-05-2014, 08:48
Well, this has really helped with the 5 year plan. Suggestions?
http://midnightbluesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/PostCard_Graphic.jpg
http://www.familydaysout.com/files/attractionImages/x20131118054754utah-stamp-lge.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Dq3fcuqlMR.jpg
http://www.wyomingtourism.org/images/surveyTopper.jpg
LOL....wife just said Arizona has the more constitutional gun laws and no daylight savings thing going for them. I countered with Wyoming but after working winters outside up here warmth might be a nice change.
ZERO THEORY
11-05-2014, 08:54
On a brighter note and one that should make us all very happy:
Can you imagine the hissy fit Obarryo threw when he realized he lost his senate?
That my friends is a victory I will goad in. We may have lost a battle here but look at the big picture, Barryo and his ilk got their asses served to them on a platter.
Find solace in that plus the fact Hickypoopy will now hopefully meet stiff resistance in imparting the "D" ideals.
Hell, making him squirm and grumpy the next four years is worth it in a way.
There is at least that. I can sleep easier knowing that federal threats are much less pronounced now. So long as the moderates and RINOs that are in there will stand tall for their constituents, we should be able to nullify a lot of rights-trampling.
I'm sad for Colorado. If this wasn't enough to vote out a democrat, I don't think we ever will.
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 09:11
So what's gonna happen to us now? Get in line for registration?
thvigil11
11-05-2014, 09:15
Looks like you guys are keeping Poopenlicker. That sucks.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3iNGLT2i8hmQIi_j2kForF6-aI8DfPyMx0Kn6fmjPMhpmDe9m
Looks like you guys are keeping Poopenlicker. That sucks.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3iNGLT2i8hmQIi_j2kForF6-aI8DfPyMx0Kn6fmjPMhpmDe9m
Yeah, that sucks big-time.
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 09:20
So what's gonna happen to us now? Get in line for registration?
Not that I had a choice in the matter, but my moving van gets here next April. I guess I'll have to reevaluate Colorado in a few years to see if I want to come back.
And for you pissy motherf*ckers that are looking for someone to point the finger at: I am a libertarian. I voted all R for this election. Happy?[facepalm]
thvigil11
11-05-2014, 09:20
On the good side of things, Martinez stomped the ever living dog$h!t out of Gary King. [shit-happens]
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 09:21
Not that I had a choice in the matter, but my moving van gets here next April.
And for you pissy motherf*ckers that are looking for someone to point the finger at: I am a libertarian. I voted all R for this election. Happy?
Voted with your brain not your heart, thank you!
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 09:22
Voted with your brain not your heart, thank you!
[ROFL1]
buffalobo
11-05-2014, 09:23
Very disappointed in the results for governor. I absolutely despise Hick and put a lot of effort into lobbying friends and family to vote BB.
I happened to catch Mike Coffmans victory speech last night and found it disturbing.
I don't live in district 6 but have always thought Coffman to be "alright" politician, but to do a debate in Spanish and also use Spanish in the speech turned me sour on him.
http://www.9news.com/media/cinematic/video/18505997/congressman-mike-coffmans-victory-speech/
Reference 2:00 minute mark.
[QUOTE=BPTactical;1761157]On a brighter note and one that should make us all very happy:
Can you imagine the hissy fit Obarryo threw when he realized he lost his senate?
That my friends is a victory I will goad in. We may have lost a battle here but look at the big picture, Barryo and his ilk got their asses served to them on a platter.
Do you really think so? Seriously, I doubt he cares he lost the senate. He will run his last two years by fiat with his pen & phone to pursue his liberal legacy because he thinks he's right, and the entire congress will huff and puff and stomp around and not do a damn thing to stop him. Well, that's my fear anyway. There is an article right on top of Drudge about full speed ahead on amnisty. That sucks. I hope the R's impeach the bastard now they have both houses.
speedysst
11-05-2014, 09:34
Looks like you guys are keeping Poopenlicker. That sucks.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3iNGLT2i8hmQIi_j2kForF6-aI8DfPyMx0Kn6fmjPMhpmDe9m
Yep, Beuprez was in the lead until Boulder County votes were counted. I knew it was over then. If you look at the map of voting, there's a lot more red than blue but I guess the Front Range knows whats best for everyone. Of course there were those "wasted" votes for Harry Hempy (really?) and Matthew Hess (Libertarian) which, had they gone with Beuprez would have tilted the scale.
I am disappointed, but I am not so sure it is not a mandated stalemate as anything else. Both parties are messed up. I think a marginal gain is still showing that CO GOP that they have a lot of work to do in the next 2 years. If they had a landslide, I think it would have been read wrong by the GOP. Just my opinion.
I actually think Coffman did what he felt he needed to do in order to win. I have no problem at all with him catering to HIS constituency, in fact if more politicians would do, and act like Coffman, we would not be in as big a mess.
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 09:37
OK guys, let take a step back for a minute.
In the good old days, while it was supposedly solid "Red" territory, CO had 16 years of consecutive "D" governorships with Lamm and Romer. How was that possible?
What are the final results of the State House?
Like you all, I am very disappointed with the Gov race, but running away won't fix the problem.
Just thinking out loud. What if the ballot allowed you to vote for a first choice and a second choice. Your second choice vote only counted in the case that your first choice was not in first or second place. We do it for hunting. :)
Just thinking out loud. What if the ballot allowed you to vote for a first choice and a second choice. Your second choice vote only counted in the case that your first choice was not in first or second place. We do it for hunting. :)
I believe you are referring to run-off voting. Nynco is always suggesting it.
thvigil11
11-05-2014, 09:44
Also just found out we took the house down here! Woohoo!
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 09:44
Like you all, I am very disappointed with the Gov race, but running away won't fix the problem.
It's all about selfish and immediate gratification: "If the state is losing and I'll be miserable here, why would I stay? I have a limited time here on earth, I may as well live in a place that suits me best, right?"
If you didn't catch it earlier, I'm not leaving Colorado by choice. I got orders for California 2 weeks ago. [pileoshit]
Honestly, I cannot understand how DeGette got 160,000+ votes.. This just blows my mind. How are people not dying off by the dozens from natural selection?
I believe you are referring to run-off voting. Nynco is always suggesting it.
Well, that kills it for me. :)
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 09:46
Just thinking out loud. What if the ballot allowed you to vote for a first choice and a second choice. Your second choice vote only counted in the case that your first choice was not in first or second place. We do it for hunting. :)
Instant Runoff Voting can work a number of different ways. The chart below is one example. Several countries use this effectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/IRV-toptwo_flowchart.png/220px-IRV-toptwo_flowchart.png
Honestly, I cannot understand how DeGette got 160,000+ votes.. This just blows my mind. How are people not dying off by the dozens from natural selection?
Red turn arrows and airbags. [ROFL3]
68Charger
11-05-2014, 09:48
So the way it looks now, R's took the State Senate, and as of current standings the state house is 32 D and 33 R, but there are some very close races still
When do they do re-districting, only every 10 years?
That's really the only hope to make CO a balanced state once again, aside from some massive re-organization of the state .gov
Bright side is Kagan and pee your self Salazar lost.
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 09:51
LOL....wife just said Arizona has the more constitutional gun laws and no daylight savings thing going for them. I countered with Wyoming but after working winters outside up here warmth might be a nice change.
Arizona has no water. A serious influx of illegals. It will be one of the battleground areas when LaRaza and Azteca decide to take it back. Combine that with it being a major highway for illegals coming here and points north.
Utah, Northern UT perhaps, Idaho looks good. Wyoming has priced itself out of the market for those looking for some acreage, due to oil & gas boom.
thvigil11
11-05-2014, 09:51
It's all about selfish and immediate gratification: "If the state is losing and I'll be miserable here, why would I stay? I have a limited time here on earth, I may as well live in a place that suits me best, right?"
If you didn't catch it earlier, I'm not leaving Colorado by choice. I got orders for California 2 weeks ago. [pileoshit]
Honestly, I cannot understand how DeGette got 160,000+ votes.. This just blows my mind. How are people not dying off by the dozens from natural selection?
Not like you're going to a more conservative place either there HB. Nothing like "running away" to an even more liberal stinkhole.
[Eek3]
OK guys, let take a step back for a minute.
In the good old days, while it was supposedly solid "Red" territory, CO had 16 years of consecutive "D" governorships with Lamm and Romer. How was that possible?
What are the final results of the State House?
Like you all, I am very disappointed with the Gov race, but running away won't fix the problem.
Even when Lamb and Romer were Governor, the legislature was Republican. The state was a far more independent western frontier state back then at all levels of government regardless of party. The same kind of BS didn't ooze out of the capitol like it does now. Fortunately, the Owens years gave us state-wide shall issue concealed carry otherwise we wouldn't have that now. The really dangerous shit happens when the Dems have total control.
GunsRBadMMMMKay
11-05-2014, 09:56
Arizona has no water. A serious influx of illegals. It will be one of the battleground areas when LaRaza and Azteca decide to take it back. Combine that with it being a major highway for illegals coming here and points north.
Utah, Northern UT perhaps, Idaho looks good. Wyoming has priced itself out of the market for those looking for some acreage, due to oil & gas boom.
Was going to say, Idaho should have been on the list too......supposedly mining is supposed to pick back up there but with the economy being how it is IDK, metals and such are down....hell oils down.
Sad thing is, how come out of 50 states when thinking about freedoms the states that come to mind can be counted on one hand? What the hell has happened here?
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 09:59
I am disappointed, but I am not so sure it is not a mandated stalemate as anything else. Both parties are messed up. I think a marginal gain is still showing that CO GOP that they have a lot of work to do in the next 2 years. If they had a landslide, I think it would have been read wrong by the GOP. Just my opinion.
I actually think Coffman did what he felt he needed to do in order to win. I have no problem at all with him catering to HIS constituency, in fact if more politicians would do, and act like Coffman, we would not be in as big a mess.
This is the correct reply.
Hispanics and blacks do vote, do vote D and do vote for social issues. Coffman won big (IMO) considering the demographics of his area. He did it by getting votes from areas R's would not normally receive them. Hispanic and black voters for the most part do favor Family / Traditional Values. Until the R's recognize this D's will win big, or in Hicks case, win but not by a landslide.
Had Udall and D outside interest NOT played the WAR ON WOMEN, continually, Gardner would have lost.
I expect a major shift come 2016 from both parties when attack ads play.
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 10:04
As whole, CO did an overall good job of turning back from solid blue to a more historical split personality.
A Republican candidate unseated a relatively scandal free Democratic Senator in a statewide race. That is a big deal!
4 of the state's 7 seats in Congress are help by Republicans. That is a big deal!
Republicans re-took the State Senate and may retake the State House. That is big deal!
Republicans took all of the statewide support offices, like AG, SOS, and ST. That is big deal!
A moderately "damaged goods" Republican Candidate did not manage defeat the incumbent Democratic Governor is a very close race. Yes, it's bad, but not the end of the world.
If ALL of the above had gone or mostly D, then yes, we would be looking at potential permanent blue status. Even then, how many of you would have said that MA and IL would have elected new R governors last night?
Not that I had a choice in the matter, but my moving van gets here next April. I guess I'll have to reevaluate Colorado in a few years to see if I want to come back.
And for you pissy motherf*ckers that are looking for someone to point the finger at: I am a libertarian. I voted all R for this election. Happy?[facepalm]
I did the same thing and now I can't get that taste out of my mouth. At least when I vote 3rd party & lose I get the satisfaction of knowing I helped to make that little % a bit higher & helped to give others hope to vote that way next election. Everyone keeps saying to vote R and then change from within yet the GOP keeps giving us candidates like Mittens Romney & Bob Beauprez I see no hope for the GOP. In elections they basically have no way to not win they find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Pretty soon I'm going to decide that voting Democrat and trying to get them to warm up to the idea of the 2nd Amendment is the way to go. Seems just as likely at this point.
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 10:06
What a lot of you forget is. This wasn't a vote against the local people holding office. As much as it was a Vote Against Obama. Gardner and the outside interest ran ads showing Udalls voting record. His voting 100% of the time Lock Step with Obama. Udalls recording saying ISIS wasn't a threat, echoing Obama's JV mantra.
It happened to Bush II.
The down side for us, it opens the door on the D side to a very left of center candidate.
I did the same thing and now I can't get that taste out of my mouth. At least when I vote 3rd party & lose I get the satisfaction of knowing I helped to make that little % a bit higher & helped to give others hope to vote that way next election. Everyone keeps saying to vote R and then change from within yet the GOP keeps giving us candidates like Mittens Romney & Bob Beauprez I see no hope for the GOP. In elections they basically have no way to not win they find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Pretty soon I'm going to decide that voting Democrat and trying to get them to warm up to the idea of the 2nd Amendment is the way to go. Seems just as likely at this point.
I don't think the GOP gave us Beauprez. He had to work just to get onto the ballot, then won the nomination.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 10:09
The entire night Hick was losing by 20k votes, then at the end he comes up with 30k votes?
centrarchidae
11-05-2014, 10:10
Candidates are picked in the primaries by whoever shows up to vote.
Where were you?
But you sure showed 'em.
Well, that sucked.... Maybe this time the republicans have figured out that running an establishment republican is not a winning strategy???
Probably not.
Oh, but he was the best chance of beating Hickenlooper, just like McCain and just like Romney.
UrbanWolf
11-05-2014, 10:11
The entire night Hick was losing by 20k votes, then at the end he comes up with 30k votes?
Boulder + Denver
Candidates are picked in the primaries by whoever shows up to vote.
Where were you?
But you sure showed 'em.
He was probably working, like I was.
And thank all the idiots who voted republican instead of libertarian.
Congrats, it's people like you that are the reason Lickenpooper is still governor.
Yep, Beuprez was in the lead until Boulder County votes were counted. I knew it was over then. If you look at the map of voting, there's a lot more red than blue but I guess the Front Range knows whats best for everyone. Of course there were those "wasted" votes for Harry Hempy (really?) and Matthew Hess (Libertarian) which, had they gone with Beuprez would have tilted the scale.
Hempy was green party- I think more ganja smoking hippies vote that direction than conservatives. More appropriate is Hess and Dunafon that garnered a healthy 54,000+ votes that could have easily swayed in Beauprez's favor.
I get it, I'm in no way a fan of the current 2 party system, especially when we have republicans running around acting like righteous d-bags and harping on extreme-right issues like gay marriage and abortion that do nothing but alienate any potential independents. However, as has been said before, the object here was to get rid of Hick and try to change the state away from being a blue, anti-freedom, tough to own a gun CA, jr. That failed, at least on the lawn of the Governor's Mansion. If yesterday was the day to stand and fight, then tomorrow might be the day to seek our more friendly pastures. I have my doubts about Colorado ever going red again, at least not like it was before CODA and the Gang of Four came along. It's a shame I just accepted a job and will be stuck here for at least 3 years. I have a feeling Hick will continue to ruin this state and be a flip flopping spineless coward. Dunlap will live. Justice will falter. And we'll continue to live under UBCs and used magazines.
Again, someone explain why voting for a candidate that garners 1.1-1.8% of the vote is doing anything but tossing your ballet in the garbage? Yeah, that's really fucking changing things there. Brace yourselves, here come the "We heard this same song and dance with Romney/Obama in '12, anything to get rid of Obama." Yeah, and you 3rd party folks didn't listen that time either. I won't be the one to harp and whine on the 3rd party people without a viable solution- so here it is: if your 3rd party cannot amount to more than 3% of the vote (that's giving them a lot more than what we've seen, Gary Johnson got .9%) then what about trying to change one of the parties... enough voices will eventually become a catalyst for change, it happened with the progressive movement within the Democrat party, and it looked like it was going somewhere with the Tea Party movement within the Republican party (see the 2010 shakeup). Why not instead of protest and huff and go "I'm never voting for those meanie face republicans again!" rise up and say "Let's change this party. It looks too much like the Democrat party, we need to make it better!" So many are willing to jump ship and try out a different boat, but that different boat is way too small and too leaky to make the voyage. Why not fix the ship you were on instead? I would apply this same logic to Colorado, but I repeat my previous fear that I think this is going to be a fairly blue state for quite some time... Considering Boulder and Denver are doing nothing but expanding.
PugnacAutMortem
11-05-2014, 10:33
I am absolutely shocked at the amount of bitching I am reading on here. The national races literally couldn't have went any better for the Republicans. Obama is about ready to ruin any chance the Democrats have in 2016 by waving his pen around and executive action-ing himself and democrats into oblivion. Hickenlooper won by the smallest of margins against a candidate that has already ran and lost the governors race to arguably a worse democrat than Hick is (Ritter). The State Senate went your way, the state House looks like it's going to swing your way too (possibly). Hick isn't going to be able to do anything for the next four years if that's the case. All of the propositions everybody wanted voted down were defeated...
Seriously, what the fuck are all of you bitching about? You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 10:35
Not like you're going to a more conservative place either there HB. Nothing like "running away" to an even more liberal stinkhole.
[Eek3]
Yep. :(
ChunkyMonkey
11-05-2014, 10:35
I am absolutely shocked at the amount of bitching I am reading on here. The national races literally couldn't have went any better for the Republicans. Obama is about ready to ruin any chance the Democrats have in 2016 by waving his pen around and executive action-ing himself and democrats into oblivion. Hickenlooper won by the smallest of margins against a candidate that has already ran and lost the governors race to arguably a worse democrat than Hick is (Ritter). The State Senate went your way, the state House looks like it's going to swing your way too (possibly). Hick isn't going to be able to do anything for the next four years if that's the case. All of the propositions everybody wanted voted down were defeated...
Seriously, what the fuck are all of you bitching about? You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
And you are very angry as usual. Hope you have a nice day.[Flower]
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 10:41
I am absolutely shocked at the amount of bitching I am reading on here. The national races literally couldn't have went any better for the Republicans. Obama is about ready to ruin any chance the Democrats have in 2016 by waving his pen around and executive action-ing himself and democrats into oblivion. Hickenlooper won by the smallest of margins against a candidate that has already ran and lost the governors race to arguably a worse democrat than Hick is (Ritter). The State Senate went your way, the state House looks like it's going to swing your way too (possibly). Hick isn't going to be able to do anything for the next four years if that's the case. All of the propositions everybody wanted voted down were defeated...
Seriously, what the fuck are all of you bitching about? You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
I'm ecstatic over the victories, but arguably one of the worst governor's in my lifetime won a second term. So I can't bitch about it?
Honestly, I cannot understand how DeGette got 160,000+ votes.. This just blows my mind. How are people not dying off by the dozens from natural selection?
Like all vermin; prolific breeders.
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 10:46
If the State House flops to the "R"s, we just may see the Magazine Limit and UBC repeal bills hit the Governors desk. Could still be interesting...
colorider
11-05-2014, 10:48
Bitching is totally justified IMHO. Hickenlooper is an absolute abomination and complete fuckwitt.
He admitted to signing bills that he did not read. He admitted to not listening to the sheriffs he let Dunlap slide.
We have to deal with his retardedness again. He will continue to make decisions that are idiotic and effect our daily lives.
It's insane that republicans had great success in the state and nationally, yet the worst democrat governor on the planet retained his reign.
clodhopper
11-05-2014, 10:50
You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
Doing such a thing does not conform to my conservative nature. A bit too self indulgent, free-spirited and, well, liberal. Bitching about small things... well that fits squarely with my normal habits.
If the State House flops to the "R"s, we just may see the Magazine Limit and UBC repeal bills hit the Governors desk. Could still be interesting...
You think Hickenlooper would sign if it even made it to his desk?
Bitching is totally justified IMHO. Hickenlooper is an absolute abomination and complete fuckwitt.
He admitted to signing bills that he did not read. He admitted to not listening to the sheriffs he let Dunlap slide.
We have to deal with his retardedness again. He will continue to make decisions that are idiotic and effect our daily lives.
It's insane that republicans had great success in the state and nationally, yet the worst democrat governor on the planet retained his reign.
This points more to the GOP as a whole and it's shortcomings then Hickenlooper IMO.
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 10:54
Again, someone explain why voting for a candidate that garners 1.1-1.8% of the vote is doing anything but tossing your ballet in the garbage? Yeah, that's really fucking changing things there. Brace yourselves, here come the "We heard this same song and dance with Romney/Obama in '12, anything to get rid of Obama." Yeah, and you 3rd party folks didn't listen that time either. I won't be the one to harp and whine on the 3rd party people without a viable solution- so here it is: if your 3rd party cannot amount to more than 3% of the vote (that's giving them a lot more than what we've seen, Gary Johnson got .9%) then what about trying to change one of the parties... enough voices will eventually become a catalyst for change, it happened with the progressive movement within the Democrat party, and it looked like it was going somewhere with the Tea Party movement within the Republican party (see the 2010 shakeup). Why not instead of protest and huff and go "I'm never voting for those meanie face republicans again!" rise up and say "Let's change this party. It looks too much like the Democrat party, we need to make it better!" So many are willing to jump ship and try out a different boat, but that different boat is way too small and too leaky to make the voyage. Why not fix the ship you were on instead? I would apply this same logic to Colorado, but I repeat my previous fear that I think this is going to be a fairly blue state for quite some time... Considering Boulder and Denver are doing nothing but expanding.
I'll ignore and avoid the ad hominems, but honestly, what do you think Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are doing? They are invoking change from within the party.
If the State House flops to the "R"s, we just may see the Magazine Limit and UBC repeal bills hit the Governors desk. Could still be interesting...
Hick will not sign them and lie about wanting to sign them and then blame his staffer for not signing them because he promised his third cousin that he would not sign them.
muddywings
11-05-2014, 10:57
I am absolutely shocked at the amount of bitching I am reading on here. The national races literally couldn't have went any better for the Republicans. Obama is about ready to ruin any chance the Democrats have in 2016 by waving his pen around and executive action-ing himself and democrats into oblivion. Hickenlooper won by the smallest of margins against a candidate that has already ran and lost the governors race to arguably a worse democrat than Hick is (Ritter). The State Senate went your way, the state House looks like it's going to swing your way too (possibly). Hick isn't going to be able to do anything for the next four years if that's the case. All of the propositions everybody wanted voted down were defeated...
Seriously, what the fuck are all of you bitching about? You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
Yay for the Senate flip, yay for House plus up but in the end all politics are local. I wanted Hickenlooper crushed. I wanted his political career to end so he can go back to bar-tending. I wanted him humiliated for his lack of moral spine and his lack of professional responsibility. I'm happy Maryland picked an R Gov, I'm happy NC kicked out Hagen. It's good to see nation wide but I live in Colorado and for me personally, all the other national races amount only so much interest to me. I wanted CO to become red and it's not. It doesn't matter about Sec State, Treasurer, Attorney General. It was Hickenlooper that mattered and we came up short. The Ds will see this is a win even with Gardner winning and they are right.
Next time around we will have to knuckle down and try even harder but it will be harder and harder and harder if we can't turn the governor mansion.
I am absolutely shocked at the amount of bitching I am reading on here. The national races literally couldn't have went any better for the Republicans. Obama is about ready to ruin any chance the Democrats have in 2016 by waving his pen around and executive action-ing himself and democrats into oblivion. Hickenlooper won by the smallest of margins against a candidate that has already ran and lost the governors race to arguably a worse democrat than Hick is (Ritter). The State Senate went your way, the state House looks like it's going to swing your way too (possibly). Hick isn't going to be able to do anything for the next four years if that's the case. All of the propositions everybody wanted voted down were defeated...
Seriously, what the fuck are all of you bitching about? You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
Hick may have his hands tied IF the general assembly goes R. However, they'll be very hard pressed to pass much onto his desk as well. We've seen how he works and it'll be damn near a deadlock for anything that doesn't align with Hick's agenda.
And yes, I'm happy as hell that everywhere else is looking good...
I'll ignore and avoid the ad hominems, but honestly, what d you think Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are doing? They are invoking change from within the party.
Exactly my point. I love what Paul and Cruz are doing. I also love that they're giving the RINOs a run for their money and making them all uncomfortable... Shake in those boots McCain, Graham and McConnell!
centrarchidae
11-05-2014, 10:59
It doesn't matter about Sec State, Treasurer, Attorney General. It was Hickenlooper that mattered and we came up short.
Secretary of State matters a hell of a lot. He and the county clerks run elections.
To steal an election, you don't need to control the ballots, just who counts them.
How do you think yesterday would have gone with a Dem SoS?
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 11:00
You think Hickenlooper would sign if it even made it to his desk?
Not really. But it still keeps the issue in forefront, plus they could pass other pro-gun bills to package with it, like CCW rights expansion, which may force compromise on the worst parts of the exisiting bills.
Who knows- All for nothing if the "D's" still keep the house.
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 11:01
I am absolutely shocked at the amount of bitching I am reading on here. The national races literally couldn't have went any better for the Republicans. Obama is about ready to ruin any chance the Democrats have in 2016 by waving his pen around and executive action-ing himself and democrats into oblivion. Hickenlooper won by the smallest of margins against a candidate that has already ran and lost the governors race to arguably a worse democrat than Hick is (Ritter). The State Senate went your way, the state House looks like it's going to swing your way too (possibly). Hick isn't going to be able to do anything for the next four years if that's the case. All of the propositions everybody wanted voted down were defeated...
Seriously, what the fuck are all of you bitching about? You should be running through the streets naked and drunk with happiness. Jesus H Christ...
While i am not one to agree with you. In this case, while the .guv is still Hick. The wins overcome the loss. To take the offices you mentioned is Very Big. IMO it's the equivalent of Congress & senate being in R control with a Lamer duck president.
I'll say it again. The numbers for Beauprex were way beyond what i thought they would have been. I thought / felt Hick would run away this election cycle. Not only didn't he. BUT this does send a message to him and other's
I'm ecstatic over the victories, but arguably one of the worst governor's in my lifetime won a second term. So I can't bitch about it?
Consider yourself / us lucky we don't have a Cuomo mentality for guv.
Consider yourself / us lucky we don't have a Cuomo mentality for guv.
Isn't a Bloomberg whipping boy just as bad?
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 11:05
Consider yourself / us lucky we don't have a Cuomo mentality for guv.
I can't disagree with you there, but I was only speaking of Colorado Guvs.
In "important" elections, I believe you can subtract 2% of any D's votes due to voter fraud.
Where do I go to sign the recall petition on Hickinlooper? Worked before.
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 11:13
Besides manually totaling-up the votes on the S of S website, is there any place that is tracking the "balance of power" for the state house and senate?
What does it say when you have Governor as universally reviled as Hick, but he still manages to win the election? It says that the Republicans stepped on their dicks again. Hick didn't WIN this election, Beauprez and the Colorado Republican Party LOST it. When it comes down to it,Bob's major campaign strategy boiled down to "I'm not Hick, vote for me!". Until and unless the Republicans can float a candidate that can motivate people to for FOR him, rather than against the other guy, the progressives and the FSA will continue to win.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 11:18
In "important" elections, I believe you can subtract 2% of any D's votes due to voter fraud.
Where do I go to sign the recall petition on Hickinlooper? Worked before.
Exactly. Last election I watched two people speak only Spanish, had no ID, and were confirmed not to be registered voters who were allowed to vote. I have no doubt that illegals have been voting in elections all over the country forever now.
In "important" elections, I believe you can subtract 2% of any D's votes due to voter fraud.
Where do I go to sign the recall petition on Hickinlooper? Worked before.
We just had a recall; Hick won.
What does it say when you have Governor as universally reviled as Hick, but he still manages to win the election? It says that the Republicans stepped on their dicks again. Hick didn't WIN this election, Beauprez and the Colorado Republican Party LOST it. When it comes down to it,Bob's major campaign strategy boiled down to "I'm not Hick, vote for me!". Until and unless the Republicans can float a candidate that can motivate people to for FOR him, rather than against the other guy, the progressives and the FSA will continue to win.
Buauprez wasn't the best candidate; I really wanted Brophy, but that didn't happen. Honestly, I didn't care about the candidate in the general; I just wanted Hick gone.
What does it say when you have Governor as universally reviled as Hick, but he still manages to win the election? It says that the Republicans stepped on their dicks again. Hick didn't WIN this election, Beauprez and the Colorado Republican Party LOST it. When it comes down to it,Bob's major campaign strategy boiled down to "I'm not Hick, vote for me!". Until and unless the Republicans can float a candidate that can motivate people to for FOR him, rather than against the other guy, the progressives and the FSA will continue to win.
Exactly. Just like the presidential election of 2012.... the GOP fielded a turd and The People rejected it. Both were ripe for the picking and the GOP couldn't even get the job done.
Hick's win validated that dems can do whatever they want, be as blatant as they want and they will get re-elected. Troubling stuff, no matter how "lame" the R candidate was. Do people forget that we can vote again in 4 years? If Bob sucked, vote him out and try again. That is how we hold politicians accountable. We're punishing ourselves by waiting for the great white buffalo candidate.
I am shaking my head wondering how Massachusetts, Maryland, and Illinois all get Republican governors and Colorado retains a Democrat. [Shock]
PugnacAutMortem
11-05-2014, 11:47
Hick's win validated that dems can do whatever they want, be as blatant as they want and they will get re-elected. Troubling stuff, no matter how "lame" the R candidate was. Do people forget that we can vote again in 4 years? If Bob sucked, vote him out and try again. That is how we hold politicians accountable. We're punishing ourselves by waiting for the great white buffalo candidate.
I think the way this vote went for governor is a message to the GOP to stop putting out crappy candidates. Yes, all democrats will vote for whomever has the D after their name. It's been proven time and time again that's just how people in that camp operate. But it looks like a sector of the people in the republican camp actually care about the candidates that their party puts up for election, and if they think that it's a lame candidate then they won't vote for them (Romney, Beauprez...). This should kick the GOP in Colorado in the ass and say "We need to put the strongest candidate out there, not who the data says is the most electable". Sometimes that might be the same person, but recently that has not been the case.
The real test to see if the GOP learns from this race is who they put up for president in 2016. I fear that last night is going to give them a ton of false confidence and they will throw out someone like Krispy Kreme Christie (vomit) or Bush Numero Tres (double vomit) and think that just because they have the R after their name, they will be a shoo-in.
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it in the future.
If the State House flops to the "R"s, we just may see the Magazine Limit and UBC repeal bills hit the Governors desk. Could still be interesting...
You think Hickenlooper would sign if it even made it to his desk?
I would like for him to have to face that decision.
It will make for an uncomfortable situation for Hick either way. We are all under the assumption that he has further political aspirations, and it will be a no-win situation. Sign, and risk losing support from (D) side (and the money/power machine), jeopardizing his future aspirations; or don't sign, and risk the ongoing fallout/turmoil from his lies, pandering and waffling, which will most assuredly be used against him in any future political endeavors. I can see the attack ads in my mind already.
But rest assured, if he does have to face that decision, and he does sign off on any of it, that decision will have not have been made by him but by his handlers (Bloomie, et al)
Hick's win validated that dems can do whatever they want, be as blatant as they want and they will get re-elected. Troubling stuff, no matter how "lame" the R candidate was. Do people forget that we can vote again in 4 years? If Bob sucked, vote him out and try again. That is how we hold politicians accountable. We're punishing ourselves by waiting for the great white buffalo candidate.
The point you may have overlooked is that the people saying Bob sucked aren't the ones who DIDN'T vote for him. Those that voted for him likely did so holding their nose in protest against Hickenlooper. It wasn't enough. The GOP needs to figure out a way to garner votes other than just hoping the Democratic party screws the pooch because, as we've already proven numerous times, that's not enough these days. The GOP has alienated SO many voters that something like what Hickenlooper has done isn't even bad enough to get him voted out. Now, Hickenlooper won by a slim margin and some will call this a moral victory but the fact is that he's still in office another 4 years which the Democrats will see as a win and rightly so. They pulled some pretty shady shit and got rewarded for it. I know a few pawns bit it but the King remains on the board and they did some pretty big damage to our freedoms in the process.
I think the way this vote went for governor is a message to the GOP to stop putting out crappy candidates. Yes, all democrats will vote for whomever has the D after their name. It's been proven time and time again that's just how people in that camp operate. But it looks like a sector of the people in the republican camp actually care about the candidates that their party puts up for election, and if they think that it's a lame candidate then they won't vote for them (Romney, Beauprez...). This should kick the GOP in Colorado in the ass and say "We need to put the strongest candidate out there, not who the data says is the most electable". Sometimes that might be the same person, but recently that has not been the case.
The real test to see if the GOP learns from this race is who they put up for president in 2016. I fear that last night is going to give them a ton of false confidence and they will throw out someone like Krispy Kreme Christie (vomit) or Bush Numero Tres (double vomit) and think that just because they have the R after their name, they will be a shoo-in.
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it in the future.
Will it matter if Hillary decides to run?
I would like for him to have to face that decision.
It will make for an uncomfortable situation for Hick either way. We are all under the assumption that he has further political aspirations, and it will be a no-win situation. Sign, and risk losing support from (D) side (and the money/power machine), jeopardizing his future aspirations; or don't sign, and risk the ongoing fallout/turmoil from his lies, pandering and waffling, which will most assuredly be used against him in any future political endeavors. I can see the attack ads in my mind already.
But rest assured, if he does have to face that decision, and he does sign off on any of it, that decision will have not have been made by him but by his handlers (Bloomie, et al)
lol @ thinking that Hickenlooper is worried about being revealed as a shyster after what he did openly the last term.
The people put Beauprez on the ballot, not the GOP.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 11:59
I am shaking my head wondering how Massachusetts, Maryland, and Illinois all get Republican governors and Colorado retains a Democrat. [Shock]
Been to Boulder or Denver lately? Densely packed liberals will do that to elections. So will voting illegals.
ZERO THEORY
11-05-2014, 12:05
Exactly. Just like the presidential election of 2012.... the GOP fielded a turd and The People rejected it. Both were ripe for the picking and the GOP couldn't even get the job done.
This is no new trend. McCain was just as bad if not worse than Romney. Time and time again, we see true Conservatives, Libertarians, and Constitutionalists get left behind for RINOs and establishment candidates who either don't have the backbone or the dedication to serve our cause. Imagine what we could be accomplishing with a Gary Johnson or Rand Paul in office with control of the House and Senate. Just two good years to dismantle alphabet gang snooping, slash the budget, and bulletproof the 2nd amendment.
A boy can dream.
BlasterBob
11-05-2014, 12:08
I am shaking my head wondering how Massachusetts, Maryland, and Illinois all get Republican governors and Colorado retains a Democrat. [Shock]
A Republican Governor in ILLINOIS? Wow, maybe this Governor won't wind up in prison like his predecessors did. Even the Democrat "machine" in Chicago will hopefully now be walking around with their tails between their legs. Now if they can just toss their Mayor out to the dogs but the "Billionaire Playboy" won't let that happen.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 12:08
lol @ thinking that Hickenlooper is worried about being revealed as a shyster after what he did openly the last term.
Exactly. Hick doesn't give a crap what we think, or an entire state of Sheriffs for that matter.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 12:09
A Republican Governor in ILLINOIS? Wow, maybe this Governor won't wind up in prison like his predecessors did. The Democrat
"machine" in Chicago will hopefully now be walking around with their tails between their legs. Now if they can just toss their Mayor out to the dogs but the "Billionaire Playboy" won't let that happen.
Maybe Chicago residents will finally be able to defend themselves instead of all turning into victims, the way the Dems like it.
This is no new trend. McCain was just as bad if not worse than Romney. Time and time again, we see true Conservatives, Libertarians, and Constitutionalists get left behind for RINOs and establishment candidates who either don't have the backbone or the dedication to serve our cause. Imagine what we could be accomplishing with a Gary Johnson or Rand Paul in office with control of the House and Senate. Just two good years to dismantle alphabet gang snooping, slash the budget, and bulletproof the 2nd amendment.
A boy can dream.
I didn't forget McSame I just listed those two as the most recent well-known examples to save on keystrokes. This has been going on for some time now and every election I hope to see something different and it never comes.
So all whining aside, where's the best place to keep an eye on the state house numbers? 9news has a lot of the results posted - how many 2014 house seats did we have to win to make the majority?
Been to Boulder or Denver lately? Densely packed liberals will do that to elections. So will voting illegals.
I live in Thornton, so yes, I am in Denver every week and Boulder once a month. Boulder and Denver together have far fewer registered Democrats than two counties combined in Maryland. Colorado hasn't shown a tenth the ability to commit machine politics voter fraud that Illinois has been the pioneer for, and Massachusetts sent Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy back to the US Senate for a total of 47 years. I refuse to believe that the Democratic Party has taken hold of Colorado to the same extant as those three bastions of Democratic Party fiefdom.
I shake my head because there are people who somehow believe that John Hickenlooper is a moderate, and there are people who seem to think that voting for Matthew Hess would bring them the Change they Hoped for. Good luck with that.
I'm just glad it is over with. I want to buy standard capacity magazines again and have them shipped to my house. I want to meet some fine board member in a parking lot at Cabelas and buy a gun. I want to do all these things because two years ago they were both legal and now that they are illegal, not a damn thing has happened to make any victim safer from the crimes that were committed against them. Just my rights being infringed so some dumb ass can FEEL better. Sign it Hick, because you can [Rant1]
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 12:21
I am shaking my head wondering how Massachusetts, Maryland, and Illinois all get Republican governors and Colorado retains a Democrat. [Shock]
The Independent voter who (is not mentioned in this thread) picked Hick, again. Beauprex was as mentioned, non-existent message wise. The rest is could have, should have, would have.
Hopefully Gardner might be a rising star in the R party.
I really like Gardner...so far. Let's hope he keeps the path.
KestrelBike
11-05-2014, 12:30
Has anyone grumbled about the senate seat in Louisiana yet? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2014/state-races/louisiana
Landrieu somehow got 42% of the vote, Cassidy (R) getting 16,500 less votes for 41%. MEANWHILE Rob Maness *also* ran as a republican, and captured 202,000 votes for 14%. So it's going to be a runoff. Here's a quick question, why the F didn't maness drop out of the race when it was clear that he was 30 points down on the major republican candidate?
Further, thank libertarian Sarvis in Virginia for taking 53,000 votes, when Ed Gillespie (R) is losing to mark warner (D) by 12,500 votes. That could have been a Major upset. Way to send a message to washington by keeping a democrat in power. GG.
lol @ a 3rd party 'taking' votes from a Republican candidate. A couple points of contention here 1) people vote for who they want to vote for so it's up to the R to do a better job of EARNING votes and 2) the 3rd party candidate may not give a hobo's crap who actually wins between the D & R candidate so why wouldn't he try to earn as many votes as possible for HIM and HIS party and HIS supporters? I'm more surprised that other 3rd party candidates tap out to make it easier for either one to win. The further the GOP goes to the right the less votes they get, the less the 3rd parties feel in common with them and the more votes those independent parties seem to get. Weird.
lol @ a 3rd party 'taking' votes from a Republican candidate. A couple points of contention here 1) people vote for who they want to vote for so it's up to the R to do a better job of EARNING votes and 2) the 3rd party candidate may not give a hobo's crap who actually wins between the D & R candidate so why wouldn't he try to earn as many votes as possible for HIM and HIS party and HIS supporters? I'm more surprised that other 3rd party candidates tap out to make it easier for either one to win. The further the GOP goes to the right the less votes they get, the less the 3rd parties feel in common with them and the more votes those independent parties seem to get. Weird.
I must disagree:
Bold Distinctions – The Quietly Avoided Obvious…. (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/11/05/bold-distinctions-the-quietly-avoided-obvious/)
Posted on November 5, 2014 (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/11/05/bold-distinctions-the-quietly-avoided-obvious/) by sundance (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/author/sundancecracker/)
It was called “a key Senate race”. Millions and millions of dollars were spent. It was the one Senate race where the Tea party candidate campaigned boldly against the Democrat opponent. Two of the biggest named Democrats campaigned for the Democrat Senate Candidate:
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/arkansas-2.jpg?w=640&h=445 (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/arkansas-2.jpg)
Two of the biggest Democrat names in the entire country called this their home state. It is the home state of the former beloved President of all things progressive and wonderful. The race was supposed to be tight, but the Democrats had all the advantages.
The Republican candidate wasn’t just a pesky Republican; The media proclaimed he’s themost conservative of the Republican candidates. His positions were supposed to be the most far away from the electorate in this home state of the most wonderful of all Democrats. The conservative was the most right-wing nutted right wing nut of the entire field, “an extremist” – or so “they” said.
So what was the result in this race where the right-wing nut was against the Democrat light bringer?
ONLY the largest margin of victory in the entire Senate field.
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/arkansas.jpg?w=640&h=246 (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/arkansas.jpg)
A 17 point victory !
Any questions?
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 12:42
Has anyone grumbled about the senate seat in Louisiana yet? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2014/state-races/louisiana
Landrieu somehow got 42% of the vote, Cassidy (R) getting 16,500 less votes for 41%. MEANWHILE Rob Maness *also* ran as a republican, and captured 202,000 votes for 14%. So it's going to be a runoff. Here's a quick question, why the F didn't maness drop out of the race when it was clear that he was 30 points down on the major republican candidate?
Further, thank libertarian Sarvis in Virginia for taking 53,000 votes, when Ed Gillespie (R) is losing to mark warner (D) by 12,500 votes. That could have been a Major upset. Way to send a message to washington by keeping a democrat in power. GG.
On the flip side this is important.
"Tonight you have made history!" Love told supporters after winning the state's fourth House district. "Many of the naysayers out there said that Utah would never elect a black Republican LDS (Latter-day Saint) woman to Congress. Not only did we do it, we were the first to do it!"
Love edged Democrat Doug Owens to win the open seat.
"I wasn't elected because of the color of my skin," Love told CNN Wednesday morning (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2014/11/05/ath-mia-love-midterm-victory.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F6eFzoHXKhL). "I wasn't elected because of my gender. I was elected because of the solution I put at the table."
this too
Tim Scott won in South Carolina, becoming the first African-American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate and elected to a statewide office.
Scott defeated another African-American, Democratic challenger Joyce Dickerson, and third-party candidate Jill Bossi. Scott,
Both of them being R's ,not to mention 3 other R woman who won .
Celebrate Diversity!
How's that been working out for us?
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 12:52
So all whining aside, where's the best place to keep an eye on the state house numbers? 9news has a lot of the results posted - how many 2014 house seats did we have to win to make the majority?
I just went to the Sec of State website added up the results as of 11:34 am. It appears that the R's are +1 (33 R to 32 D) right now. I have no idea if those are still fluid with the outstanding votes left around the state.
DavieD55
11-05-2014, 12:55
So all whining aside, where's the best place to keep an eye on the state house numbers? 9news has a lot of the results posted - how many 2014 house seats did we have to win to make the majority?
5
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Colorado+State+House+elections+2014+resul ts&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=colorado+state+house+elections+2014+results&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=bfd2e4c187384074b717c60fbf73875c
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 13:00
From KMGH.com:
Hickenlooper will have to team with a state legislature that will be run by the Republicans.
No reason not to make him squirm with a host of pro-gun bills...
Superorb
11-05-2014, 13:05
I live in Thornton, so yes, I am in Denver every week and Boulder once a month. Boulder and Denver together have far fewer registered Democrats than two counties combined in Maryland. Colorado hasn't shown a tenth the ability to commit machine politics voter fraud that Illinois has been the pioneer for, and Massachusetts sent Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy back to the US Senate for a total of 47 years. I refuse to believe that the Democratic Party has taken hold of Colorado to the same extant as those three bastions of Democratic Party fiefdom.
But they certainly condone illegals voting. Last election I was behind a couple who spoke Spanish, had no ID, and the poll worker confirmed they were not registered to vote in Adams county (or anywhere most likely). Yet they still allowed them to vote. Meanwhile, wife and I had to fill out a paper ballot that were both never counted according to the tracking numbers. Something about us getting mail in ballots and not sending them in.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 13:06
No reason not to make him squirm with a host of pro-gun bills...
But there's no reason for him to sign any of the bills that come across his desk. The buck stops with Hick, and he can easily veto to placate his agenda and those who pull his strings.
RblDiver
11-05-2014, 13:08
Would love for the CO legislature to also run some voter ID laws past his desk, see him reject it and be in favor of illegal voting.
avandelay
11-05-2014, 13:09
But there's no reason for him to sign any of the bills that come across his desk. The buck stops with Hick, and he can easily veto to placate his agenda and those who pull his strings.
We'll just give them the name of 'Common Sense, non-extreme Mag Ban Fix' and 'Denver/Boulder Fracking Ban' and add the repeal of the two bad gun laws as amendments.
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 13:23
For those perpetually whining about wanting a third viable candidate on a ballot.
I have to question if you are incapable of doing fractional math.
Lets say you have an election. Lets simplify it, and say you have three basic issues that people care about. X, Y, and Z.
Now, lets take a two viable candidates, 1, and 2.
Now, lets take a three candidate system.
Why? Because viewpoints are not divided on thirds. Two candidates will be politically close in the spectrum. When that happens, neither can prevail. If people can't understand that, I'm not going to try to explain it further. This is about as easy of a concept as the whole "guns aren't going to spontaniously kill people by themselves". Nonetheless, perpetual whining.
If you want to have a VIABLE election, work within one of the existing parties to get the candidate of your choice. If you want to guarantee a win for a minority opinion candidate, well then, by all means, get your third candidate on the ballot so the winner will ALWAYS be what you don't want. But hell, at least you can have a chip on your back for (unsuccessfully) always voting for your guy.
It's not a matter of "oh the R would have to try harder to overcome the.....". When you have a solid 40% moonbat-lets-be-socialists-and-give-me-welfare-vote, if you add a "viable" third party candidate to that? No matter what utopian imagination you have, neither candidate would ever exceed 40% of the vote to overcome the moonbats. And the moonbats will never "splinter" off. Libertarians, conservatives, etc., they are all viewed as the "enemy".
So, you get a chip on your shoulder for voting for your guy, while in fact, guaranteeing a win for "moonbat socialism" every go around if your "wish" is granted. I live in a place called REALITY. I don't chase dreams that are utopic, unfounded in reality or logic. A "third" party candidate is that utopic, illogical, unrealistic dream. The reality is, if you ever get it, you've succeeded in shooting yourself in the foot, nothing more.
Work to get who you want nominated. Quit bitching and talking about a happy perfect word where food grows itself, money rains from the sky, and third party candidates can be elected.
That is all.
It's no use Fox, their hearts are bigger than your logic...
OK, I feel better...my new pistol upper was just dropped off at the door
But there's no reason for him to sign any of the bills that come across his desk. The buck stops with Hick, and he can easily veto to placate his agenda and those who pull his strings.
Then he can veto enough bills to get himself recalled. and with the race as close as it is now I think that is a good possibility if he starts doing things that Coloradoans dislike.
Nonetheless, there will always be Cubs fans, no matter how bad the team is. Some of the third party thing has to be a martyr complex. The only viable way to get a libertarian into office under the current system is to "sneak" them in disguised as a Republican or Democrat, because too many voters vote on autopilot. I wonder: How different would our elections be if the voters had to write in the name of the person they wanted to elect? Or even if the ballots had no information about party affiliation on them?
KestrelBike
11-05-2014, 13:39
So, you get a chip on your shoulder for voting for your guy, while in fact, guaranteeing a win for "moonbat socialism" every go around if your "wish" is granted. I live in a place called REALITY. I don't chase dreams that are utopic, unfounded in reality or logic. A "third" party candidate is that utopic, illogical, unrealistic dream. The reality is, if you ever get it, you've succeeded in shooting yourself in the foot, nothing more.
Work to get who you want nominated. Quit bitching and talking about a happy perfect word where food grows itself, money rains from the sky, and third party candidates can be elected.
That is all.
Thor's hammer right here. thank you for taking the time to articulate it.
Just disallow anyone who is not a net-payer of taxes from voting.
They should not get a say in how taxes are spent.
Want to vote? Get a job, get off welfare, and go vote.
Problem solved.
Then he can veto enough bills to get himself recalled. and with the race as close as it is now I think that is a good possibility if he starts doing things that Coloradoans dislike.
The guy should be recalled for all the no bid contracts coming out of OIT costing the state millions of dollars. What he is doing there is criminal; nothing more then a money laundering organization.
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 13:45
Now some stations are reporting that the senate swap may be in question.
Who knows...
One principle that seems to hold true is that the longer time an election or recall drags out, the more D ballots seem to be magically "found".
Just disallow anyone who is not a net-payer of taxes from voting.
They should not get a say in how taxes are spent.
Want to vote? Get a job, get off welfare, and go vote.
Problem solved.
I truly believe that nobody on public assistance should vote; it is a conflict of interest at best.
PugnacAutMortem
11-05-2014, 13:58
space saving measure...read above
Seeing as how you are clearly pissed at anyone who may have, in your mind, cost Beauprez the election by voting 3rd party AND you have the power to ban people...I am going to attempt to tread lightly in my response.
You do a couple of things in your post that are bothersome...you attempt to make anyone that disagrees with your post as unintelligent which is page 1 column 1 out of the Democrat playbook. You also insinuate that 3rd party voters are lazy because they support a 3rd party candidate as well as accusing them of not working towards change inside the Republican party. I have to disagree on both counts because you cast a wide net with those two points and they are almost completely inaccurate when it comes to any 3rd party supporter that I've ever met.
The lazy, utopian type people you speak of are the occupy wall street people. Jobless, helpless and anarchist. 3rd party supporters that I've come across are thoughtful, intelligent, generous people who want nothing but the best for this country. You may be upset with the amount of votes that Hess, Hempy, Dunafon and Fiorino recieved...but what I see when I look at the polls is 85,578 people (as it stands currently) in this state who had the courage to stand up and say "Hickenlooper or Beauprez...this isn't good enough for us". If you really want to be pissed at someone today, Beauprez is the man you should be pissed at. If Beauprez ran a campaign instead of (I think it was Jer that said this) "I'm not him (Hick), so vote for me!" then he could have earned some of those 85,000+ votes. He didn't, and that's why he lost.
In short, agree to disagree [Beer]
hurley842002
11-05-2014, 14:02
Seeing as how you are clearly pissed at anyone who may have, in your mind, cost Beauprez the election by voting 3rd party AND you have the power to ban people...I am going to attempt to tread lightly in my response.
You do a couple of things in your post that are bothersome...you attempt to make anyone that disagrees with your post as unintelligent which is page 1 column 1 out of the Democrat playbook. You also insinuate that 3rd party voters are lazy because they support a 3rd party candidate as well as accusing them of not working towards change inside the Republican party. I have to disagree on both counts because you cast a wide net with those two points and they are almost completely inaccurate when it comes to any 3rd party supporter that I've ever met.
The lazy, utopian type people you speak of are the occupy wall street people. Jobless, helpless and anarchist. 3rd party supporters that I've come across are thoughtful, intelligent, generous people who want nothing but the best for this country. You may be upset with the amount of votes that Hess, Hempy, Dunafon and Fiorino recieved...but what I see when I look at the polls is 85,578 people (as it stands currently) in this state who had the courage to stand up and say "Hickenlooper or Beauprez...this isn't good enough for us". If you really want to be pissed at someone today, Beauprez is the man you should be pissed at. If Beauprez ran a campaign instead of (I think it was Jer that said this) "I'm not him (Hick), so vote for me!" then he could have earned some of those 85,000+ votes. He didn't, and that's why he lost.
In short, agree to disagree [Beer]
Funny your attitude changes when talking to a Mod...
PugnacAutMortem
11-05-2014, 14:03
Funny your attitude changes when talking to a Mod...
Your damn skippy it does. I like being on here because I like talking about this kind of stuff. Only an idiot would bitch out a mod on a day like today after a post like he posted. I let em swing all the time pal...but i don't let them get caught in a door. You only do that one time, and once is enough.
http://the-american-catholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/OBAMA-MATH-IS-HARD-HOPE-IS-EASY.jpg
BushMasterBoy
11-05-2014, 14:09
Why do I feel like I am caught in my zipper?
hollohas
11-05-2014, 14:10
Somehow my district in JeffCo voted for Gardner (just barely) but voted for the Dem tool Perlmutter for US Rep by a wide margin, Hick by a wide margin, State Rep went to a Dem by a wide margin and State Sen went to a Dem. I'm not happy about those results. I am thrilled that the Country made some changes but this state is what is most important to me and my district voted for the a-holes that hate the 2nd. Ugh.
RblDiver
11-05-2014, 14:33
Or even if the ballots had no information about party affiliation on them?
Mandy Connell proposed this idea on her radio show a few weeks back, and I love the idea. Make people actually look up who it is they want to vote for rather than voting a straight ticket.
Of course, it'd probably be decried as "unfair" and "racist" and "disenfranchises the poor person working 18 hours a day who doesn't have the time to do all their research" or something.
avandelay
11-05-2014, 14:51
Mandy Connell proposed this idea on her radio show a few weeks back, and I love the idea. Make people actually look up who it is they want to vote for rather than voting a straight ticket.
Of course, it'd probably be decried as "unfair" and "racist" and "disenfranchises the poor person working 18 hours a day who doesn't have the time to do all their research" or something.
When I lived in VA there were people out in front of the polling stations (working for either the R or the D party) handing out sample ballots with either straight D or R marked for your convenience. While I like the idea of not having the party affiliation on the ballot, I'm sure that would lead to more instances where people stand in front of the polling station telling people who to vote for...which is just as bad in my mind.
In "important" elections, I believe you can subtract 2% of any D's votes due to voter fraud.
Where do I go to sign the recall petition on Hickinlooper? Worked before.
If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat: Crushing the Democrats in Every Election and Why Your Life Depends on It Hardcover (http://www.amazon.com/Its-Close-They-Cant-Cheat/dp/B0009A2OKA)
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 16:17
Just disallow anyone who is not a net-payer of taxes from voting.
They should not get a say in how taxes are spent.
Want to vote? Get a job, get off welfare, and go vote.
Problem solved.
I would vote for this.
Of course, nobody on public assistance would vote themselves into slavery (that's how they'd see it)
...and I see this vehicle in front of me last night on I-25 and 23rd st ish.
I just had a gut feeling that it was Rapsheet's car.
http://i58.tinypic.com/ion1ic.jpg
The Dems hated Ralph Nader the same way the Reps hated Ross Perot. When you lose by a slim margin and the 3rd party candidate closest to your candidate gets enough votes to swing the election in the other direction, the issue is clear.
Ideology is good. Being in a position to affect change to bring about your ideology is better.
Elections are about winning. If you can't win, and as of today in 2014, the Green Party, CPUSA, and the Libertarian Party are not in a position to win statewide elections in Colorado. Not now. Not in the recent past. Not in the near future.
Be idealistic and live with the opposite of what you want OR choke down your idealism and try to win and get a part of what you want.
HoneyBadger
11-05-2014, 16:53
The Dems hated Ralph Nader the same way the Reps hated Ross Perot. When you lose by a slim margin and the 3rd party candidate closest to your candidate gets enough votes to swing the election in the other direction, the issue is clear.
Ideology is good. Being in a position to affect change to bring about your ideology is better.
Elections are about winning. If you can't win, and as of today in 2014, the Green Party, CPUSA, and the Libertarian Party are not in a position to win statewide elections in Colorado. Not now. Not in the recent past. Not in the near future.
Be idealistic and live with the opposite of what you want OR choke down your idealism and try to win and get a part of what you want.
As usual, cstone comes to the thread bearing gifts of wisdom.
Looks like the Morse's seat went to somebody even more gun hostile than Morse...Great!
http://www.9news.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/11/05/colorado-dems-win-back-2-seats-lost-over-gun-bills/18546459/
As usual, cstone comes to the thread bearing gifts of wisdom.
It's 4 o'clock. Time for Wapner. People's Court. Definitely time for Wapner. - Wisdom of a Rainman
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 17:04
Looks like the Morse's seat went to somebody even more gun hostile than Morse...Great!
http://www.9news.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/11/05/colorado-dems-win-back-2-seats-lost-over-gun-bills/18546459/
Certain districts will always vote one way or another. The D's complain about gerrymandering, yet they are the ones who did the redistricting. I bet the D's are saying the same thing about Ken Buck. Who care's..... If the R's don't step up they will be gone next election cycle. IF the D's with Obama at the helm use EO's to pass immigration (SURPRISE!) reform, minimum wage and what ever else their entitlement minds think up. They will not be voted but dragged out, in tar and feathers .
Take a stand where ever you want. Mine is set.
Superorb
11-05-2014, 17:05
Would love for the CO legislature to also run some voter ID laws past his desk, see him reject it and be in favor of illegal voting.
I think they tried to pass voter ID laws in the recent past here and of course it was shut down due to all the minorities who would be oppressed BS.
BTW, in India you're required to have ID to vote. And even the poor people who make less than $1 a day all have IDs. Imagine that... Over a billion people and they all have IDs so they can vote. You need ID to get welfare and all kinds of free handouts, but not to vote. Gotta love that irony!
Then he can veto enough bills to get himself recalled. and with the race as close as it is now I think that is a good possibility if he starts doing things that Coloradoans dislike.
I had to look it up, governors CAN be recalled in Colorado. It requires 25% of the votes received to bring upon a recall election. That's a lot of signatures.
Just disallow anyone who is not a net-payer of taxes from voting.
They should not get a say in how taxes are spent.
Want to vote? Get a job, get off welfare, and go vote.
Problem solved.
While I agree, you and I both know this will never happen. Every election from then on would be a massive landslide against the Dems which they will never allow.
.455_Hunter
11-05-2014, 17:16
And BIG surprise...
Colorado House majority balance remains uncertain with tight races
"These are strongholds for Democrats," said State Rep. Rhonda Fields, D-Aurora. "So I think these are going to come back in favor of the Democrats."
Delay reporting your results so you can ensure the "correct" outcome.
http://www.denverpost.com/election2014/ci_26872367/colorado-house-majority-balance-remains-uncertain-tight-races
IF the D's with Obama at the helm use EO's to pass immigration (SURPRISE!) reform, minimum wage and what ever else their entitlement minds think up. They will not be voted but dragged out, in tar and feathers .
Are you sure about that? I think a more likely situation is that Obama will sign the most sweeping immigration/entitlement EOs he can think of. Republicans will be frothing at the mouth and make idiots out of themselves in the eyes of "minorities," thereby ensuring a Republican loss in 2016. Legacy win for Obama and big win for Democrats.
From the looks of things, unless there is a miracle out there, Hickenlooper is going to retain his job. That's just sickening. Maybe we should change our state flag.
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/NewCOFlag_zps0105cb70.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/NewCOFlag_zps0105cb70.jpg.html)
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 17:43
Are you sure about that? I think a more likely situation is that Obama will sign the most sweeping immigration/entitlement EOs he can think of. Republicans will be frothing at the mouth and make idiots out of themselves in the eyes of "minorities," thereby ensuring a Republican loss in 2016. Legacy win for Obama and big win for Democrats.
How's that immigration working out there?
sorry / triste
¿Cómo es que la inmigración de trabajo por ahí?
mcantar18c
11-05-2014, 17:46
Has the petition to rename it "Colofornia" been started yet?
sellersm
11-05-2014, 17:46
Are you sure about that? I think a more likely situation is that Obama will sign the most sweeping immigration/entitlement EOs he can think of. Republicans will be frothing at the mouth and make idiots out of themselves in the eyes of "minorities," thereby ensuring a Republican loss in 2016. Legacy win for Obama and big win for Democrats.
Probably more like Julius Ceasar when he was 'ousted'... O will cry “Alea iacta est!” and get his 'army' together and fight hard against the R's...
Are you sure about that? I think a more likely situation is that Obama will sign the most sweeping immigration/entitlement EOs he can think of. Republicans will be frothing at the mouth and make idiots out of themselves in the eyes of "minorities," thereby ensuring a Republican loss in 2016. Legacy win for Obama and big win for Democrats.
This is exactly what will happen.
Obama is now in a corner. He doesn't give two sh*ts about whether his actions would hurt Hillary or any other Dem running for prez in two years. It's all about him and his legacy is at stake. He'll use that pen and phone as he wishes and sadly it appears congress is pretty much powerless to stop him. In these next two years can really hurt this country. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say "fundamentally change this country" to match his and his bases's views to the point where this country is barely recognizable. Every city in this country could be a border city. That's my fear.
OK so the news says we are still counting ballots to see who controls the house/senate. So if we are then how the hell do we know hickenlicker won???
thedave1164
11-05-2014, 18:11
OK so the news says we are still counting ballots to see who controls the house/senate. So if we are then how the hell do we know hickenlicker won???
Because they said so
Demodave
11-05-2014, 18:35
This is exactly what will happen.
Obama is now in a corner. He doesn't give two sh*ts about whether his actions would hurt Hillary or any other Dem running for prez in two years. It's all about him and his legacy is at stake. He'll use that pen and phone as he wishes and sadly it appears congress is pretty much powerless to stop him. In these next two years can really hurt this country. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say "fundamentally change this country" to match his and his bases's views to the point where this country is barely recognizable. Every city in this country could be a border city. That's my fear.
This is what is most troublesome...
Not only that, by doing so, Hitlary will then be able to sneak in between the non functioning Repubs, and the disaster that O will surely cause...
Look out, we headed for some very difficult times
Looks like the Dems found a bag of ballots somewhere. The CO House just went back to D controlled. YUK!
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 20:01
Looks like the Dems found a bag of ballots somewhere. The CO House just went back to D controlled. YUK!
Tar & feathers. Even though the naysayers say not possible. [ROFL2] I guess being in a staunchly conservative state like CA, gives one vision. Of what's to come . RECALLS, it's what's for Ballot.
I'd like to see a no gerrymandering, state wide free for all. Vote for anyone on the ballot. ONCE YOU SHOW VALID PICTURE ID. You can show it for a 40 and menthol's, you can show it to vote.
libs will find away to cheat, steal, and corrupt.
68Charger
11-05-2014, 20:12
Looks like the Dems found a bag of ballots somewhere. The CO House just went back to D controlled. YUK!
Well that could be it... I'm totally on the fence, family wants me to move to East TX- and the deal was if Hick AND Udall were re-elected, we're packing.
SInce Udall didn't get re-elected, friends & family are wondering where that leaves us... with lickenpooper in, and a R state House & Senate it looked possible that Colorado could be saved...
if the House has fallen, then I may re-think that... unless the gerrymandering is un-done in 2021, the state will be fully Californicated... not sure I want to wait that long, I'd rather pull my salary from CO taxes and help the economic collapse come sooner.
Well that could be it... I'm totally on the fence, family wants me to move to East TX- and the deal was if Hick AND Udall were re-elected, we're packing.
SInce Udall didn't get re-elected, friends & family are wondering where that leaves us... with lickenpooper in, and a R state House & Senate it looked possible that Colorado could be saved...
if the House has fallen, then I may re-think that... unless the gerrymandering is un-done in 2021, the state will be fully Californicated... not sure I want to wait that long, I'd rather pull my salary from CO taxes and help the economic collapse come sooner.
Unless you blow that salary on weed I don't think they care.
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 20:56
Well that could be it... I'm totally on the fence, family wants me to move to East TX- and the deal was if Hick AND Udall were re-elected, we're packing.
SInce Udall didn't get re-elected, friends & family are wondering where that leaves us... with lickenpooper in, and a R state House & Senate it looked possible that Colorado could be saved...
if the House has fallen, then I may re-think that... unless the gerrymandering is un-done in 2021, the state will be fully Californicated... not sure I want to wait that long, I'd rather pull my salary from CO taxes and help the economic collapse come sooner.
Texas? please TX is lost only they don't know it yet. Illegals en-mass and entitlement squads already took Huston. Austin, well that's been gone. Big D and Ft Worth, as the urban areas reproduces, more D voters are spawned on par with Muslims.
There's Utah, Idaho, ND, SD, OK and wyo. Both western & eastern migration will eventually suffocate those still standing, OR on their rascal. WA turned in to another flaming ball of progressives , from the CA people wanting a better lifestyle. We've seen it happen here.
OneGuy67
11-05-2014, 20:58
The common goal was supposed to be the elimination of Hickenlooper, but apparently the libs, greens and others felt their candidates needed votes to "send the message". Well, we heard your message and it was "I want Hickenlooper for four more years". Pat yourselves on the back gentlemen, you got what you wanted.
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2014, 21:01
The common goal was supposed to be the elimination of Hickenlooper, but apparently the libs, greens and others felt their candidates needed votes to "send the message". Well, we heard your message and it was "I want Hickenlooper for four more years". Pat yourselves on the back gentlemen, you got what you wanted.
They can't, too busy rollin joints.
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