ELECTION 2014 - Merged Threads

[Ronin13]

I shake my head because there are people who somehow believe that John Hickenlooper is a moderate, and there are people who seem to think that voting for Matthew Hess would bring them the Change they Hoped for. Good luck with that.

I'm just glad it is over with. I want to buy standard capacity magazines again and have them shipped to my house. I want to meet some fine board member in a parking lot at Cabelas and buy a gun. I want to do all these things because two years ago they were both legal and now that they are illegal, not a damn thing has happened to make any victim safer from the crimes that were committed against them. Just my rights being infringed so some dumb ass can FEEL better. Sign it Hick, because you can [Rant1]
On the first part, voting for anyone who doesn't at least get 20% of the vote- seriously, Mike Rosen said it today, once a 3rd party candidate can get 20% of the vote, it's really not going to do anything. I've said it over and over again today, when your presidential candidate (looking at everyone that voted for Gary Johnson) gets .99% of the vote, and your gubernatorial candidate get's 1.8%, that's not really doing anything. That's like going to a football game with a baseball and saying "to hell with this, two of us are going to play baseball, the other 20 of you can do what you want." What did that accomplish? The words "Jack" and "Shit" come to mind.

Point two- Again, you put it so well! I can't agree more. What did these two gun control bills do to make the fine people of Colorado safer? Do they really think that the next mass-shooter that decides they want to murder folks here in CO is going to say "well, damn, I can't legally purchase these 30/50 round magazines here, I guess I'll just not go batshit crazy today." I worry that there are some (even running our state) who really are that incredibly stupid.

Seeing as how you are clearly pissed at anyone who may have, in your mind, cost Beauprez the election by voting 3rd party AND you have the power to ban people...I am going to attempt to tread lightly in my response.

You do a couple of things in your post that are bothersome...you attempt to make anyone that disagrees with your post as unintelligent which is page 1 column 1 out of the Democrat playbook. You also insinuate that 3rd party voters are lazy because they support a 3rd party candidate as well as accusing them of not working towards change inside the Republican party. I have to disagree on both counts because you cast a wide net with those two points and they are almost completely inaccurate when it comes to any 3rd party supporter that I've ever met.

The lazy, utopian type people you speak of are the occupy wall street people. Jobless, helpless and anarchist. 3rd party supporters that I've come across are thoughtful, intelligent, generous people who want nothing but the best for this country. You may be upset with the amount of votes that Hess, Hempy, Dunafon and Fiorino recieved...but what I see when I look at the polls is 85,578 people (as it stands currently) in this state who had the courage to stand up and say "Hickenlooper or Beauprez...this isn't good enough for us". If you really want to be pissed at someone today, Beauprez is the man you should be pissed at. If Beauprez ran a campaign instead of (I think it was Jer that said this) "I'm not him (Hick), so vote for me!" then he could have earned some of those 85,000+ votes. He didn't, and that's why he lost.

In short, agree to disagree [Beer]
Had it been one candidate that garnered 85,000+ votes, I'd say that's pretty impressive. But spreading it out among several candidates that had not even the slightest chance of election, that does nothing. See my above sports analogy. Basically, since we can safely assume you weren't in Hickenlooper's camp (otherwise you would have directly voted for him), you basically helped by proxy to get him reelected. Congrats. How does that feel? I see the whole vote for the guy who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell as the same as not voting in that race. Protest or whatever when it comes to the polls, but like was said ad nauseum in 2012, elections have consequences. Since you and the people that voted for Dunafon or Hess deemed it unimportant to get Hick out, you must reap what has been sowed. I didn't like Beauprez, but I sure liked him more than Hickenlooper, and I found that getting rid of Hickenlooper was priority #1, then we can work on the other stuff. You don't like the idea of changing the republican party from within? How's your alternative working out for you? Again, when a 3rd party candidate can get 20% of the vote, I'll continue to work my ass off in the ways I can to try and sway the Republican party towards a better and more meaningful direction.

The common goal was supposed to be the elimination of Hickenlooper, but apparently the libs, greens and others felt their candidates needed votes to "send the message". Well, we heard your message and it was "I want Hickenlooper for four more years". Pat yourselves on the back gentlemen, you got what you wanted.
Yeah, this... mine was way more long winded. [Coffee]

Ugh, now that that's out of the way, my conundrum comes in. In this case, a runoff, like in Louisiana, might have helped to get Bob in. But what if the tables had been turned and Beauprez won 48% to 47.5%? If the law were like that of LA and the candidate would have to get 50% or better, what would happen in a runoff if he lost? He already won the first one, but due to the runoff rules he loses. That's a pretty hefty risk and why I guess I really can't get behind an idea of a runoff. Although I do think that if all the folks who voted for candidates 3, 4, and 5 were only allowed to vote for 1 or 2, the majority would hopefully go for our guy... except for those that just pout and stay home.

[68Charger]

Texas? please TX is lost only they don't know it yet. Illegals en-mass and entitlement squads already took Huston. Austin, well that's been gone. Big D and Ft Worth, as the urban areas reproduces, more D voters are spawned on par with Muslims.

There's Utah, Idaho, ND, SD, OK and wyo. Both western & eastern migration will eventually suffocate those still standing, OR on their rascal. WA turned in to another flaming ball of progressives , from the CA people wanting a better lifestyle. We've seen it happen here.

Look at the election results for TX... Abortion Barbie got her ass handed to her... wasn't even close, even with Abbot saying he would secure the border, he still got 44% of of Hispanic vote, and overall won with A (DRUM ROLL) 20% margin!

The good people of TX (the D's in Austin can suck it) need people who have seen this run, and make it loud and public what game is afoot...
and IMHO, if TX goes blue, there not be any safe place in the country anyway.

I'm aware they don't give a rat's ass about my income (taxes on it), but at least I won't have to cringe watching my hard earned $$ going to those lying, thieving bastards!

Enough people that earn more than the median income do that, and you can slowly watch the economy of CO fall apart.
Besides, I have to do what I need to do to protect my family... from the (D)ombie apocalypse

Give me a compelling reason to stick it out here- I already work from my home, my employer may actually prefer me in TX, closer to a network Lab we have on the East side of Dallas... just not going to be popular with individuals I work with in COS...

I'm a network engineer, not much call for that kind of tech in most of the states you mentioned... I've already done AZ, don't care to again...

If Alaska opened new oil fields and had a tech boom, I could make a run there... (graduated from HS in Anchorage), but it wouldn't be popular with my family... and right now their economy is tanked with very limited oil flow...


I'm fine with going to TX and being a classic redneck a-hole that makes the state offensive to Libs moving in... I'll take trips to Lib strongholds like Austin and Houston to visit Liberal hangouts and offend them repeatedly, letting them know they're not welcome there...

I've already got Horses, cowboy boots, a black Stetson, and stature to go with it... I'll just start smoking cigars and punching Libs in the face.[gohome]

[Great-Kazoo]

Look at the election results for TX... Abortion Barbie got her ass handed to her... wasn't even close, even with Abbot saying he would secure the border, he still got 44% of of Hispanic vote, and overall won with A (DRUM ROLL) 20% margin!

The good people of TX (the D's in Austin can suck it) need people who have seen this run, and make it loud and public what game is afoot...
and IMHO, if TX goes blue, there not be any safe place in the country anyway.

I'm aware they don't give a rat's ass about my income (taxes on it), but at least I won't have to cringe watching my hard earned $$ going to those lying, thieving bastards!

Enough people that earn more than the median income do that, and you can slowly watch the economy of CO fall apart.
Besides, I have to do what I need to do to protect my family... from the (D)ombie apocalypse

Give me a compelling reason to stick it out here- I already work from my home, my employer may actually prefer me in TX, closer to a network Lab we have on the East side of Dallas... just not going to be popular with individuals I work with in COS...

I'm a network engineer, not much call for that kind of tech in most of the states you mentioned... I've already done AZ, don't care to again...

If Alaska opened new oil fields and had a tech boom, I could make a run there... (graduated from HS in Anchorage), but it wouldn't be popular with my family... and right now their economy is tanked with very limited oil flow...


I'm fine with going to TX and being a classic redneck a-hole that makes the state offensive to Libs moving in... I'll take trips to Lib strongholds like Austin and Houston to visit Liberal hangouts and offend them repeatedly, letting them know they're not welcome there...

I've already got Horses, cowboy boots, a black Stetson, and stature to go with it... I'll just start smoking cigars and punching Libs in the face.[gohome]

Absolutely no reason to stay.

HOWEVER IF, AND A BIG IF. Obama does an amnesty for Illegals. Tejas is poised to be taken over by the same mentality who masterminded the D take over of CO. It's a major blip on their radar.

Most Black and Hispanic traditional families, lean R. A lot of hispanics around here, and there's a lot (SURPRISE) do not want amnesty.
Unfortunately no one has a crystal ball able to predict the future of politics. You keep the Soros, Stryker, Polis, Gill, bloomberg money circulating, sooner or later it will pay off.

[Brian]

After reading all the feedback, I have to say I'm more interested in how realistic a two step process would be. Vote your ideals and heart the first time around, let the percentages show where people land. I can certainly understand how some might want to do that, no matter how unrealistic their chances. But then the small percentages drop away and it comes down to a 1 on 1 match up, either at the ballot, or in a ultimate fighting deathmatch. [LOL] I don't know that it's ever going to be realistic, but it does seem like it might solve both problems. If you did a first and second choice, people could certainly decide not to register a 2nd choice and stand on morals, but I'd have to believe that many independents I know would just like to have their voice heard before voting for one of the two parties.

[Train]

[Great-Kazoo]

After reading all the feedback, I have to say I'm more interested in how realistic a two step process would be. Vote your ideals and heart the first time around, let the percentages show where people land. I can certainly understand how some might want to do that, no matter how unrealistic their chances. But then the small percentages drop away and it comes down to a 1 on 1 match up, either at the ballot, or in a ultimate fighting deathmatch. [LOL] I don't know that it's ever going to be realistic, but it does seem like it might solve both problems. If you did a first and second choice, people could certainly decide not to register a 2nd choice and stand on morals, but I'd have to believe that many independents I know would just like to have their voice heard before voting for one of the two parties.

[Train]

They do a run off in LA if the candidates get 48 -50%? each.. Steel Cage grudge match, NO RULES, NO BELL. 1 WINNER, 1 LOSER.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607997177079204151&pid=15.1&P=0

I'm fighting WHO ?

[bryjcom]

They do a run off in LA if the candidates get 48 -50%? each.. Steel Cage grudge match, NO RULES, NO BELL. 1 WINNER, 1 LOSER.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607997177079204151&pid=15.1&P=0

I'm fighting WHO ?


Yeah, they need to do runoffs if the "winner" didn't garner more than 50% of the vote.


And for those of you blaming the 3rd party voters, its looking like Hickenlooper would have still beat him even if there were no 3rd party candidates on the ballot. There's still about 4% of the ballot left out there so I'll wait till the final numbers come in.

[Bailey Guns]

After reading all the feedback, I have to say I'm more interested in how realistic a two step process would be. Vote your ideals and heart the first time around, let the percentages show where people land.

I agree with that. I participate in the caucuses and "vote my conscience" there. But when the "real" election rolls around I become a pragmatist.

[68Charger]

Haven't some people said that Obama was going to be the best thing for this country- because it'll cause people to wake up?


Huffpo's front page currently:
MOST REPUBLICANS IN STATE CAPITOLS SINCE THE 1920s (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/state-elections-2014_n_6113942.html)
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GOP Controls 2/3 Of State Legislatures... (http://www.ibtimes.com/republicans-crush-democrats-state-level-control-two-thirds-legislatures-now-1719717) The Agenda: Cut Taxes, Gut Regulations, Limit Public Assistance... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/state-elections-2014_n_6113942.html) States With Total Dem Control Now Lowest Since Civil War... (http://www.vox.com/2014/11/6/7164287/midterm-elections-2014-state-legislatures-governors-party-control/in/6914992) Ramifications Could Last For Years To Come... (http://www.vox.com/2014/11/6/7164287/midterm-elections-2014-state-legislatures-governors-party-control/in/6914992) New GOP Govs Could Undercut Medicaid Expansion... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/05/gop-governors-medicaid_n_6108384.html) Big Business Greets Washington Republicans With Open Arms... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/business/republican-election-victory-seen-as-positive-for-business-but-others-temper-expectations.html) GOP Preps For Power... (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/223153-gop-preps-for-power) The Democrats' Lost Generation... (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/the-democrats-lost-generation-112620.html)

[stoner01]

Haven't some people said that Obama was going to be the best thing for this country- because it'll cause people to wake up?


Huffpo's front page currently:
MOST REPUBLICANS IN STATE CAPITOLS SINCE THE 1920s (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/state-elections-2014_n_6113942.html)
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2250856/thumbs/r-BUSINESSMAN-huge.jpg (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/state-elections-2014_n_6113942.html)

GOP Controls 2/3 Of State Legislatures... (http://www.ibtimes.com/republicans-crush-democrats-state-level-control-two-thirds-legislatures-now-1719717) The Agenda: Cut Taxes, Gut Regulations, Limit Public Assistance... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/state-elections-2014_n_6113942.html) States With Total Dem Control Now Lowest Since Civil War... (http://www.vox.com/2014/11/6/7164287/midterm-elections-2014-state-legislatures-governors-party-control/in/6914992) Ramifications Could Last For Years To Come... (http://www.vox.com/2014/11/6/7164287/midterm-elections-2014-state-legislatures-governors-party-control/in/6914992) New GOP Govs Could Undercut Medicaid Expansion... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/05/gop-governors-medicaid_n_6108384.html) Big Business Greets Washington Republicans With Open Arms... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/business/republican-election-victory-seen-as-positive-for-business-but-others-temper-expectations.html) GOP Preps For Power... (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/223153-gop-preps-for-power) The Democrats' Lost Generation... (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/the-democrats-lost-generation-112620.html)

I'm ok with this.

[Superorb]

The Agenda: Cut Taxes, Cut Regulations, limit public assistance...

I hope this happens, but Republicans aren't going to cut spending, I just don't see it happening. They're all money grubbing, lying bastards.

[cstone]

I hope this happens, but Republicans aren't going to cut spending, I just don't see it happening. They're all money grubbing, lying bastards.

At this point, I would be happier with cutting increased spending than I have been with the out of control spending by the profligate progressive Democratic Party.

There are: the ways I would like things to be, and then, the ways I have to learn to live with things, in order to get on with my life.

While I believe our nation is headed toward a cliff, I would like to go there as slowly as possible.

[Jer]

While I believe our nation is headed toward a cliff, I would like to go there as slowly as possible.
Classic throw a rabbit in a boiling pot vs putting him in a warm pot and gradually bringing up the temperature. I'd rather the train accelerate out of control if it's inevitable so at least those willing & capable of doing something about it know it's go time. Despite tons of internet chest thumping I think the actual # of those who would is minuscule at best.

[HoneyBadger]

Despite tons of internet chest thumping I think the actual # of those who would is minuscule at best.
lol yup.


Honestly though, I would rather get there slowly, as cstone said. When the time comes, it's going to be awful and terrible and probably very bloody. I have a family. I want them to live happily and peacefully for as much of their lives as possible.

War is an ugly thing (but not the ugliest of things...). It is not fun or exciting, nor is it glorious or fulfilling. I want to spare my loved ones from the brutality of conflict for as long as possible.

[Jer]

lol yup.


Honestly though, I would rather get there slowly, as cstone said. When the time comes, it's going to be awful and terrible and probably very bloody. I have a family. I want them to live happily and peacefully for as much of their lives as possible.

War is an ugly thing (but not the ugliest of things...). It is not fun or exciting, nor is it glorious or fulfilling. I want to spare my loved ones from the brutality of conflict for as long as possible.

I'm not getting younger and if I'm going to have to fight for my country/life I want to do it sooner than later. There's are reason you can't enlist in the military to fight for your country at 50 years of age and the longer we wait the older those who still believe in something bigger than themselves get. If they can slow roll this long enough all that will be left are the indoctrinated dependent and then... well... I think we all know how that story ends.

[hollohas]

I hope this happens, but Republicans aren't going to cut spending, I just don't see it happening. They're all money grubbing, lying bastards.
They tried and the Dems "made it hurt"... Shut down the National Parks...shut down the museums. Sent military men and women home. Instead of actually cutting spending on wasteful things that would not affect anyone, the Dems made sure the only spending that got cut was anything that would enrage and hurt the people.

The Dems are way better strategists and way better politicians. 99% of politicians are liars and cheats however the Dems have it down to a science...they have no morals so there is nothing stopping them from doing extreme things to win. And it's because they have no morals that all of them are willing to do anything for their party. They work together because they have no personal values to violate.

Conservatives by-in-large aren't willing to violate their own personal values to conform to the party needs. Many, as is evident by posts on here, simply aren't willing to compromise. This characteristic seems to be one that goes hand-in-hand with having conservative values...having strong personal convictions is honorable and just part of being conservative...the nature of the beast I believe. However it's also a flaw. A team simply can't win without many of the team members making a sacrafice of some sort...too many of the right not willing to take one for the team.

[Superorb]

They tried and the Dems "made it hurt"... Shut down the National Parks...shut down the museums. Sent military men and women home. Instead of actually cutting spending on wasteful things that would not affect anyone, the Dems made sure the only spending that got cut was anything that would enrage and hurt the people.

The Dems are way better strategists and way better politicians. 99% of politicians are liars and cheats however the Dems have it down to a science...they have no morals so there is nothing stopping them from doing extreme things to win. And it's because they have no morals that all of them are willing to do anything for their party. They work together because they have no personal values to violate.

Conservatives by-in-large aren't willing to violate their own personal values to conform to the party needs. Many, as is evident by posts on here, simply aren't willing to compromise. This characteristic seems to be one that goes hand-in-hand with having conservative values...having strong personal convictions is honorable and just part of being conservative...the nature of the beast I believe. However it's also a flaw. A team simply can't win without many of the team members making a sacrafice of some sort...too many of the right not willing to take one for the team.

And this is precisely why Democrats have been destroying this country for years while Republicans sit on the sidelines.

I thought Obamacare would bring people out of the woodwork, but all it did was screw over people who work for a living and already couldn't afford exorbitant healthcare.

[mcantar18c]

I'm not getting younger and if I'm going to have to fight for my country/life I want to do it sooner than later. There's are reason you can't enlist in the military to fight for your country at 50 years of age and the longer we wait the older those who still believe in something bigger than themselves get. If they can slow roll this long enough all that will be left are the indoctrinated dependent and then... well... I think we all know how that story ends.
This is pretty much my thinking as well. I too have a family, and while I'd prefer they never have to experience their world torn apart like that, if it's inevitable then I'd rather it comes while I'm best prepared to protect them and fight back i.e. the next decade or so. I'd hate to be sitting there at 80 years old and have my son have to do all the dirty work because I'm too old.
Not mention with the wars of the past decade coming to an end (whether they should or not) we have a massive amount of GWOT vets with recent combat experience in urban and rural environments a chip their shoulders.
Now would be an excellent time.

[MarkCO]

While I agree with you in large part hollohas, I think it is deeper. It is not just holding to one's own personal compass when it comes to morality and integrity, it is the attempt by many conservatives to attempt to force everyone else to conform to their personal values. There are many things which, for me, are immoral and wrong and I will not do them. Yes, there are things which are wrong which I have done, and I try to alter my behavior to cut down on those. But, if you do not hold my same personal convictions, American values say that I am to let you be so long as your actions are not detrimental to my life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When I shoot matches, I obey the rules and penalize those who do not as the rulebook says, but I do not tell them they have to shoot the course of fire that same way I do.

If we examine closely Christian values (like ti of not, the Judeo-Christian ethic is foundational to the constitution), they say that we are not to judge people, but actions while adhering to Christ's teachings. That went off in the weeds in the Christian church when legalism came in and said you can not dance, drink or chew or go with women who do. Christ associated with prostitutes and criminals, he did not condemn them. The American Christian church has sought to condemn "sinners" when if the true teaching were to be followed, ALL are condemned to sin. The politicization of Christian values left the acceptance and replaced it with judgement, even if the "sin" was impactful only on the sinner. By re-creation of the "law" most Christian politicians have lost their way in that Christianity teaches that everything done by man is folly apart from Christ. Bottom line, no-one can legislate morality and many in the Christian right think they can. If you want people to be better, you affect their thoughts, show them the benefits of better conduct, not condemn them by labeling in accord with their actions.

Republicans who want to get elected should not even be talking about issues which are already law. Rear-looking policies are the methods of Obummer, the republicans need to lead with a positive message and let the vileness of the Democratic party damage their candidates. Repeal, undoing etc. as it relates to Democrat policies is a focus on the negative. Identify the biggest problems and find solutions without attacking the Democrats directly...that looks like a winning formula for some GOP wins across the county.

[MrPrena]

BTW, where is nynco?

[HoneyBadger]

I thought Obamacare would bring people out of the woodwork, but all it did was screw over people who work for a living and already couldn't afford exorbitant healthcare.
Wait until the next tax season...
[panic]

[Superorb]

Wait until the next tax season...
[panic]

Yup. I'm self employed, and there's no way I can afford even the cheapest Obamacare plan for $500/month for my wife and I with sky high deductibles. So come tax time I'll be punished because I can't afford it, and because I don't have enough money I'm required to pay the IRS money. The whole thing is so stupid. Steal money from those who work so that those who don't work can have nice things.

[Great-Kazoo]

Republicans who want to get elected should not even be talking about issues which are already law. Rear-looking policies are the methods of Obummer, the republicans need to lead with a positive message and let the vileness of the Democratic party damage their candidates. Repeal, undoing etc. as it relates to Democrat policies is a focus on the negative. Identify the biggest problems and find solutions without attacking the Democrats directly...that looks like a winning formula for some GOP wins across the county.


Too Late. Why is this person even speaking ? Ocare should have been a mid to late 2015 discussion, not out of the gate. The D's are already on I TOLD YOU SO mode STFU, move these bills that Reid supposedly would not and go from there.
http://news.yahoo.com/speaker-boehner-touts-bills-build-keystone-repeal-obamacare-183414059--business.html

After more than 50 failed attempts to repeal or neutralize Obamacare, Boehner said the House would vote again in 2015 to scuttle the law, even if Democrats can still block it in the Senate and it faces a certain veto from Obama.

[davsel]

If we examine closely Christian values (like ti of not, the Judeo-Christian ethic is foundational to the constitution), they say that we are not to judge people, but actions while adhering to Christ's teachings. That went off in the weeds in the Christian church when legalism came in and said you can not dance, drink or chew or go with women who do. Christ associated with prostitutes and criminals, he did not condemn them. The American Christian church has sought to condemn "sinners" when if the true teaching were to be followed, ALL are condemned to sin. The politicization of Christian values left the acceptance and replaced it with judgement, even if the "sin" was impactful only on the sinner. By re-creation of the "law" most Christian politicians have lost their way in that Christianity teaches that everything done by man is folly apart from Christ. Bottom line, no-one can legislate morality and many in the Christian right think they can. If you want people to be better, you affect their thoughts, show them the benefits of better conduct, not condemn them by labeling in accord with their actions.

Though I agree with most of what is posted, here's a couple of points regarding Christian judgment and consent:

Christians are commanded to judge:
This link explains it better than I:
http://www.letusreason.org/Pent44.htm


John 7:24 Jesus says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” What Jesus does tell us is not to judge by our own opinions, but instead judge by the word of God, that is what it means to judge righteously. He always encouraged the people to judge. God told Israel to judge the prophets in the Old Testament. He had the true prophets judge the false but the people reacted saying the very same things people are saying today. Your being negative oh you never have anything good to say. In the New Testament we are told to judge prophecy, to discern, to test the spirits and we are told to test ALL things. We are told to do this because it helps keep us away from what is false and evil. The apostle Paul showed us how to judge so there would be no second guesswork. The apostle Paul said, “If anyone preaches another gospel let him be accursed” Would anyone say to Paul's face “your judging.” In 2 Thess. 3:14-15 “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” Strong guidelines that many avoid to do today. These are done not to condemn but to bring repentance and restoration."


Paul reminds us that not only the sinner, but also anyone who consents to the sin is worthy of death.

Romans 1:32 (DRA) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=DRA)
Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

[davsel]

Too Late. Why is this person even speaking ? Ocare should have been a mid to late 2015 discussion, not out of the gate. The D's are already on I TOLD YOU SO mode STFU, move these bills that Reid supposedly would not and go from there.
http://news.yahoo.com/speaker-boehner-touts-bills-build-keystone-repeal-obamacare-183414059--business.html

After more than 50 failed attempts to repeal or neutralize Obamacare, Boehner said the House would vote again in 2015 to scuttle the law, even if Democrats can still block it in the Senate and it faces a certain veto from Obama.


Unfortunately, the Rs have been speaking much more about "fixing" OCare than they have repealing it.
I suspect the same will happen with immigration. Obama will do something huge/drastic in regards to open immigration and the Rs will later scale it back, but not repeal it.
The Rs figure the citizens will like them for pulling back on the reigns.
I don't see any way the Rs are going to give up the governmental power that is inherent to OCare - once they are in charge of it.

[Great-Kazoo]

Unfortunately, the Rs have been speaking much more about "fixing" OCare than they have repealing it.
I suspect the same will happen with immigration. Obama will do something huge/drastic in regards to open immigration and the Rs will later scale it back, but not repeal it.
The Rs figure the citizens will like them for pulling back on the reigns.
I don't see any way the Rs are going to give up the governmental power that is inherent to OCare - once they are in charge of it.


Perhaps. However Boehner is a negative in my book. Let one of the young guns who won tuesday explain why they want to do what's needed. Keep him and other old R's out of the picture.

[HoneyBadger]

Yup. I'm self employed, and there's no way I can afford even the cheapest Obamacare plan for $500/month for my wife and I with sky high deductibles. So come tax time I'll be punished because I can't afford it, and because I don't have enough money I'm required to pay the IRS money. The whole thing is so stupid. Steal money from those who work so that those who don't work can have nice things.
I'm afraid this will ultimately lead to the end. Even if there are more consumers than producers, the government can print more money without telling anyone to support the consumers and it'll be okay until the cat gets out of the bag and all the producers are bankrupted and robbed blind by the very government they support.

[davsel]

Perhaps. However Boehner is a negative in my book. Let one of the young guns who won tuesday explain why they want to do what's needed. Keep him and other old R's out of the picture.

Make Ted Cruz the Senate Majority Leader, and Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House.
Then we'll see some action.

[Jer]

Make Ted Cruz the Senate Majority Leader, and Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House.
Then we'll see some action.

This I could get behind. The old dogs from both parties need to go away. Time for some new ideas.

[HoneyBadger]

This I could get behind. The old dogs from both parties need to go away. Time for some new ideas.
Agreed.

[Great-Kazoo]

Make Ted Cruz the Senate Majority Leader, and Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House.
Then we'll see some action.


This I could get behind. The old dogs from both parties need to go away. Time for some new ideas.


Agreed.

MODS Close this thread. The heavens have opened , the most important people have come together in agreement.

[buffalobo]

Unfortunately, the Rs have been speaking much more about "fixing" OCare than they have repealing it.
I suspect the same will happen with immigration. Obama will do something huge/drastic in regards to open immigration and the Rs will later scale it back, but not repeal it.
The Rs figure the citizens will like them for pulling back on the reigns.
I don't see any way the Rs are going to give up the governmental power that is inherent to OCare - once they are in charge of it.
Damn straight. Pure politics to preserve power.

[Gman]

Is the election over yet? [Sofa]

[jerrymrc]

Is the election over yet? [Sofa]

Thought it was. Time to move it.

[davsel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcTmpvDO0I

[Brian]

So I'm really struggling to find good information here. Election night/morning it said the Republicans definitely took the state Senate and it was possible they might take the house too. Now the house is definitely still democratic, and it's down to one seat and a couple hundred seats in adams county, that won't be finished counting for a couple more days. Is that really where we stand or am I reading this wrong...?

[Superorb]

So I'm really struggling to find good information here. Election night/morning it said the Republicans definitely took the state Senate and it was possible they might take the house too. Now the house is definitely still democratic, and it's down to one seat and a couple hundred seats in adams county, that won't be finished counting for a couple more days. Is that really where we stand or am I reading this wrong...?

I can't find anything either. Probably easier to keep the people in the dark anyways, they'll forget about it in a few days and get on with their lives. It's the way Dems operate. The longer a recount or count goes, the more Dem votes magically appear.

[Brian]

9news just posted that the Republicans conceded that Dems keep the house. Senate still being counted.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/politics/2014/11/07/dems-keep-control-of-colorado-house-gop-concedes/18661197/

[Rumline]

Tar & feathers. Even though the naysayers say not possible. [ROFL2] I guess being in a staunchly conservative state like CA, gives one vision. Of what's to come . RECALLS, it's what's for Ballot.
Actually it does. I have seen a Republican party tone-deafly thump it's chest and "stick to its guns" straight into irrelevancy. Demographics in CA shifted over the past 30 years but the Republicans did not tailor their message to the new trends, and now Republicans are effectively meaningless in the legislative process. I guess it's better to stick to a pure ideology rather than win, right? Just like the election-spoiling Libertarians?

Recalls? Coloradans just had their chance to oust Hickenlooper and failed. John Morse's seat got filled by one of Bloomberg's anti-gun staffers for crying out loud. I see that recall worked out super well. Maybe more effort should be put into developing better candidates that will win given the local environment.

I would also add something about getting better R turnout but the whole mail in ballot thing is really vexing. Here in CA mail-in ballots are rejected at an unacceptably high rate. If the same is true in CO maybe strategies to rectify that or work around it should be developed, like dropping them off in person, or getting a printout of DMV signature to ensure the one on your ballot will match.

[Great-Kazoo]

Actually it does. I have seen a Republican party tone-deafly thump it's chest and "stick to its guns" straight into irrelevancy. Demographics in CA shifted over the past 30 years but the Republicans did not tailor their message to the new trends, and now Republicans are effectively meaningless in the legislative process. I guess it's better to stick to a pure ideology rather than win, right? Just like the election-spoiling Libertarians?

Recalls? Coloradans just had their chance to oust Hickenlooper and failed. John Morse's seat got filled by one of Bloomberg's anti-gun staffers for crying out loud. I see that recall worked out super well. Maybe more effort should be put into developing better candidates that will win given the local environment.

I would also add something about getting better R turnout but the whole mail in ballot thing is really vexing. Here in CA mail-in ballots are rejected at an unacceptably high rate. If the same is true in CO maybe strategies to rectify that or work around it should be developed, like dropping them off in person, or getting a printout of DMV signature to ensure the one on your ballot will match.

NEW TRENDS IN CA? Like Amnesty for illegals, medicaid, anchor babies, higher taxes, ban on lead ammo, ASSAULT weapon ban NO CCW OR open carry,10 day wait before bringing home a gun. CADOJ APPROVED FIREARMS. . YEAH THAT'S TAILORING A MESSAGE. TO LIBERALS.

You sound like the typical west or east coaster who moved to CO for a better lifestyle. PROVIDING we changes our laws to meet your way of life in the place you moved from. Should we hold hands embracing our ILLEGAL Brothers and Sisters in the name of Diversity. [facepalm]

WELL if you were knowledgeable about Morse's constituency . Even booted out the people still can vote in the general election cyc;le. Morse's area has a vast D voting block than R's. The recall election was considered by the Left and major R's to be a joke, no one EXCEPT gun owners took seriously. The Gun owner turned out en mass to kick his kiester to the pavement. The mid-term had everyone turn out ,getting that predominant D district the ability to vote another D to office.

[Rumline]

NEW TRENDS IN CA? Like Amnesty for illegals, medicaid, anchor babies, higher taxes, ban on lead ammo, ASSAULT weapon ban NO CCW OR open carry,10 day wait before bringing home a gun. CADOJ APPROVED FIREARMS. . YEAH THAT'S TAILORING A MESSAGE. TO LIBERALS.

You sound like the typical west or east coaster who moved to CO for a better lifestyle. PROVIDING we changes our laws to meet your way of life in the place you moved from. Should we hold hands embracing our ILLEGAL Brothers and Sisters in the name of Diversity. [facepalm]
Spare me the condescension; I am not in favor of any of those policies. I'm just pointing out that in a Republican wave election, CO did not get much redder, especially from a gun rights point of view. My suggestion, from someone who has seen where this road leads, is to figure out why or learn to enjoy CA-style BS, all of what you listed above and more. If you'd rather piss on the messenger because I'm not licking your ***, that's your perogative. Engaging in unrealistic groupthink does not further the cause.


Even booted out the people still can vote in the general election cyc;le. Morse's area has a vast D voting block than R's. The recall election was considered by the Left and major R's to be a joke, no one EXCEPT gun owners took seriously. The Gun owner turned out en mass to kick his kiester to the pavement. The mid-term had everyone turn out ,getting that predominant D district the ability to vote another D to office.So are you in favor of recalls or aren't you? Can't have it both ways... BTW what do you think is going to happen in the next presidental election, when turnout is traditionally higher for Dems? How are your recall candidates going to fare then?

[Rumline]

[ threadjack]
I guess the fact that I'm from CA means that I have a persona non grata hole to dig myself out of. I get it; nobody wants to be told how to run their own affaris. I apologize if that's how I came off. Yes I want to move to CO for a better quality of life: so sue me. But I do not want to bring CA with me; I sincerely want to do anything I can to help turn CO red again. I donated to the recalls last year and I donated to Beauprez and Gardner this year. Yes, I do not really know what makes Colorado, so if something I say is bull**** call me out and tell me why. I enjoy honest debates, and I am not afraid to learn or change my views. My only request is to keep the comments focused on the issues, because ultimately that's what matters. Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
[ /threadjack ]

[hurley842002]

[ threadjack]
I guess the fact that I'm from CA means that I have a persona non grata hole to dig myself out of. I get it; nobody wants to be told how to run their own affaris. I apologize if that's how I came off. Yes I want to move to CO for a better quality of life: so sue me. But I do not want to bring CA with me; I sincerely want to do anything I can to help turn CO red again. I donated to the recalls last year and I donated to Beauprez and Gardner this year. Yes, I do not really know what makes Colorado, so if something I say is bull**** call me out and tell me why. I enjoy honest debates, and I am not afraid to learn or change my views. My only request is to keep the comments focused on the issues, because ultimately that's what matters. Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
[ /threadjack ]
Welcome and thank you for your support.

[Sawin]

[ threadjack]
I guess the fact that I'm from CA means that I have a persona non grata hole to dig myself out of. I get it; nobody wants to be told how to run their own affaris. I apologize if that's how I came off. Yes I want to move to CO for a better quality of life: so sue me. But I do not want to bring CA with me; I sincerely want to do anything I can to help turn CO red again. I donated to the recalls last year and I donated to Beauprez and Gardner this year. Yes, I do not really know what makes Colorado, so if something I say is bull**** call me out and tell me why. I enjoy honest debates, and I am not afraid to learn or change my views. My only request is to keep the comments focused on the issues, because ultimately that's what matters. Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
[ /threadjack ]

I'd say that helps quite a bit. [Beer]

[Great-Kazoo]

Welcome and thank you for your support.


I'd say that helps quite a bit. [Beer]


Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
Anyone actually say that in their response or you throwing shit out there? It takes more than 1 to play nice. Using words no one said is not the way the game's played.

I put Mister CA on ignore stop quoting him, please................

[hurley842002]

Calling me a libtard carpetbagger does nothing.
Anyone actually say that in their response or you throwing shit out there? It takes more than 1 to play nice. Using words no one said is not the way the game's played.

I put Mister CA on ignore stop quoting him, please................
Guess I didn't read all that, only saw the "thread jack" portion.

[Great-Kazoo]

Guess I didn't read all that, only saw the "thread jack" portion.

No Problem.
psst.......................I think he's nynco's cousin

[Bailey Guns]

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

[Great-Kazoo]

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

SSSHHHHHH Lets not spoil it.

[hurley842002]

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.


SSSHHHHHH Lets not spoil it.
Yeah come on! The forum is having way too much fun going back and forth over who is the better party. At least nobody is arguing FOR Dems, just helping them win....

[Brian]

Where are so many people getting this ridiculous idea that republicans did poorly in Colorado in this election?

Open US Senate seat held by democrat: Republican
Colorado AG: Republican
Colorado SoS: Republican
Colorado Treasurer: Republican
Sheriffs: All but two (of the open sheriff seats that I can find) Republican
CO House: missed taking control by one seat. That means republicans picked up several house seats.
CO Senate: Still undecided but looks like republicans will take it.

The governor held on by less than 3%. That's the only real loss by republicans. EVERYWHERE else they either won or gained ground on democrats. How anyone can see this as short of amazing given the trend in Colorado over the last decade is just baffling.

If everything remained the same with the exception of Beauprez beating Hickenlooper this would be described as a complete republican victory.

Agreed. Think I'm going to go shoot something to celebrate tomorrow. :)