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Ok wife says it's bedtime, to be continued tomorrow, night all
Me Too Condition Orange tonight, stay safe everyone!
Fucking animals.
I gotta go to bed.
Some of the videos of the looting and such going on remind me of the scene from Wizard of Oz several animals accosting the Scarecrow.
I'm waiting from word from a dear old friend/college roommate who's a Capt. with the Richmond Heights PD. Richmond Heights is 10-13 miles from Ferguson, which is several metro communities away, yet...).
Praying his family stays safe.
Ah man, hope he and family are safe. :(
I'm in Denver tomorrow morning, but I don't think it will be any where near where the protesting is now.
http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/
That one is annoying to me, looks like a collection of tweeters.
It is all over the place. The police scanners are interesting hearing everything go on at once. Wonder if they found the stolen rifle and the two thieves? I had not heard anymore more reports on the scanners on that one.
Going to hit the hay myself. Thoughts go out to those fellow decent human beings in Ferguson to stay safe.
Friggin thugs...........
wctriumph
11-24-2014, 23:45
Live in NY
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/124908/events/3614584
History being made tonight, good or bad, there it is and, it is being recorded.
FAA is redirecting arriving flights to St Louis airport due to gunfire.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/gunfire-prevents-airplane-landings-at-lambert/article_f070ef1b-6cee-52a5-bae6-8d5f6457f885.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
OtterbatHellcat
11-24-2014, 23:51
Wow....what a smash and grab fest going on. I expect about another 3 hours of this, then as sunrise nears....they'll head home and sort out the spoils.
HoneyBadger
11-24-2014, 23:52
Fucking animals.
Yep.
I know my little Colorado Springs suburban house is far removed from St. Louis, but it's going to be tough to sleep tonight.
Shit just starting to get real in Ferguson. Live footage of riot police in full gear clearing looted buildings of hoodlums.
I'm waiting from word from a dear old friend/college roommate who's a Capt. with the Richmond Heights PD. Richmond Heights is 10-13 miles from Ferguson, which is several metro communities away, yet...).
I remember when he went thru the St. Louis Metro Police Academy. By then I was at my first duty station 20 miles across the Mississippi River from St. Louis into IL. We got together a lot during those days & he always felt he needed to use me to practice the holds, pressure point applications, take-downs, etc. on me.
Praying his family stays safe.
Geeze- I'll add my hopes and prayers that he and his family are okay. :(
The pics on the AM news are gonna be incredible, and not in a good way.
None of this can be true. The Emperor said there were only a "handful of protesters" during his pissy live commentary that interrupted "Gotham." /sarcasm
On a positive note, Megan Kelly (Fox News) let her hair grow out and she's looking good.
theGinsue
11-25-2014, 00:04
None of this can be true. The Emperor said there were only a "handful of protesters" during his pissy live commentary that interrupted "Gotham." /sarcasm
yeah. That same President who was supposed to heal racial strife in this country (or so we were told when he initially ran for POTUS).
I've seen more racial disharmony during his term in office than any other time in my 49 years. Maybe, prayerfully, when he leaves office our country can begin to truly heal from all of the harm to race relations we've been experiencing. Over the last 7 years we've undone at least 40 years of progress. Very sad.
On a positive note, Megan Kelly (Fox News) let her hair grow out and she's looking good.
Megan Kelly could be totally bald and still be beautiful.
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 00:05
Yeah, she isn't too hard on the eyes.
That Auto Zone is gonna be a pile of dust in a little bit.
68Charger
11-25-2014, 00:08
Prayers for anyone in the fray... and for those that are in urban areas- that they may have peace to be able to rest, but the wisdom and discernment to awake and act if required.
I know if I was in any urban area I wouldn't sleep at all tonight... but I'm paranoid.
I'll avoid the obvious discussions about our administration- I doubt there's anything they could do right now to quell the violence- even if they wanted to.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 00:09
Ugh. I can't handle any more of this bullshit. Goodnight everyone.
Stay safe and pray for the innocent people that are affected by this nonsense.
Megan Kelly could be totally bald and still be beautiful.
True dat.
If I remember correctly, they'd stated that most of these protesters are actually not residents of Ferguson- they arrive in cars and on buses are just come for the looting and rabblerousing.
Had anyone else heard that?
Why aren't they using the fire hose? It's a chilly night; I imagine cold water might be a proverbial and literal solution to drive many of them away...
Just saw a CNN reporter take a rock to the head on live tv. From the sound I thought it was a bottle. She's a trooper; she goes, "I'm alright, I've been hit with worse," and just kept on reporting.
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 00:17
Ugh. I can't handle any more of this bullshit. Goodnight everyone.
Stay safe and pray for the innocent people that are affected by this nonsense.
This.... ^^^
G'nite HB, and everyone....hopefully things won't get any worse there, or at other locations around the country tonight and the rest of this week.
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 00:17
The guy Kelly is talking to is a racist idiot. How does an idiot like that even get any air time. What a bunch of self serving racist assholes they are to keep up a disproved narrative. The system works, a thug died because of the decision he made all on his own to attack a police officer and the officer was exonerated by the truth as judged by 12 citizens.
If I remember correctly, they'd stated that most of these protesters are actually not residents of Ferguson- they arrive in cars and on buses are just come for the looting and rabblerousing.
Had anyone else heard that?
Why aren't they using the fire hose? It's a chilly night; I imagine cold water might be a proverbial and literal solution to drive many of them away...
I remember hearing this during the August riots. Not sure about tonight though.
Turned the K-9 loose, one suspect down.
68Charger
11-25-2014, 00:24
Turned the K-9 loose, one suspect down.
I just heard the call for EMS for a dog bite... wonder if it's related..[fail]
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 00:25
yeah. That same President who was supposed to heal racial strife in this country (or so we were told when he initially ran for POTUS).
I've seen more racial disharmony during his term in office than any other time in my 49 years. Maybe, prayerfully, when he leaves office our country can begin to truly heal from all of the harm to race relations we've been experiencing. Over the last 7 years we've undone at least 40 years of progress. Very sad.
Megan Kelly could be totally bald and still be beautiful.
She is [Love1]
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 00:28
Just saw a CNN reporter take a rock to the head on live tv. From the sound I thought it was a bottle. She's a trooper; she goes, "I'm alright, I've been hit with worse," and just kept on reporting.
Guess violence IS Color Blind.
You'd Think our CIC would have said ANYONE caught looting, assault, and or not obeying LE orders WILL BE ARRESTED. BUT NO.... He'd rather smirk and pout on national TV .
Yo Homie that my Night Stick
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 00:28
She is [Love1]
Such are fantasies made from.
These fuckers must be driving around throwing fire bombs, all sorts of businesses are burning. HFS.
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 00:30
Such are fantasies made from.
For some, other live in the reality of life. NOW STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD.
BTW: It's a freckle not beauty mark as rumor has it.
GilpinGuy
11-25-2014, 00:34
Automatic weapons being fired. Nice. The cops are bolting from that area. Don't blame them a bit.
There's not a thing they can do. Pretty messed up.
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 00:38
For some, other live in the reality of life. NOW STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD.
BTW: It's a freckle not beauty mark as rumor has it.
I like freckles.
Anyway, back to reality. Ferguson is in flames and the people that live there are not able to protect their own from those that would use them for evil purposes. Why is that?
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 00:40
I like freckles.
Anyway, back to reality. Ferguson is in flames and the people that live there are not able to protect their own from those that would use them for evil purposes. Why is that?
Because they would face retribution when no cameras are rolling.
Why you say?Because of political correctness.52791
68Charger
11-25-2014, 00:55
Automatic weapons being fired. Nice. The cops are bolting from that area. Don't blame them a bit.
[callback] is that the KKK on scene?
No I don't think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oxh5-hq6mc
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 01:03
Midnight. Off to bed. History will unfold even if I am not watching.
Stay safe everyone.
GilpinGuy
11-25-2014, 01:15
I'm working until 0500. What are the chances of this shit settling down by then?
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 01:23
I'm working until 0500. What are the chances of this shit settling down by then?
House odds, 2 drink limit.
GilpinGuy
11-25-2014, 01:44
Someone should invent a shit bomb or a sewage cannon that can be fired into looting crowds like a water cannon. Non-lethal and plenty of ammo available. Nobody spattered with shit would stick around and fight/loot. Stright home for a shower. [gohome][pileoshit]
Here it is:
http://youtu.be/12Gj6hSMEE4
BushMasterBoy
11-25-2014, 01:46
Tear gas drone bombers...
blackford76
11-25-2014, 01:47
Someone should invent a shit bomb or a sewage cannon that can be fired into looting crowds like a water cannon. Non-lethal and plenty of ammo available. Nobody spattered with shit would stick around and fight/loot. Stright home for a shower. [gohome][pileoshit]
That's a crappy idea. [Coffee]
Appears to be slowing down. What a shit show!
PD did a pretty good job, they were way out gunned tonight. They needed a few thousand more cops.
Aloha_Shooter
11-25-2014, 04:51
Honestly, I'd rather lose everything in my home or business than die or throw lead in that mess.
I think that's the main rationale. Much as the machismo would want me to stay and defend my property, insurance will replace it and it's just not worth being tarred and feathered in public by the likes of Al Sharpton and the idiot talking heads in the MSM. Darren Wilson will never have a normal life again because Mike Brown was a thug and an idiot and his parents can't face facts about their "baby".
Aloha_Shooter
11-25-2014, 04:55
On a positive note, Megan Kelly (Fox News) let her hair grow out and she's looking good.
Megyn Kelly has always looked good. More importantly to me, she's intelligent and rational (but she's always been one of the top news hotties IMHO).
Big John
11-25-2014, 05:44
After getting caught up on the happenings this morning, I'm glad I went to bed after the decision. I knew they couldn't control themselves and that this would piss me off to the point I couldn't sleep.
From the cop hating POTUS talking his bull shit as usual, to illiterates still screaming "hands up, don't shoot" it's all so infuriating to me that this is the path that this once great country has taken.
R.I.P. Darren Wilson. Thank you for your service.
Bailey Guns
11-25-2014, 06:45
Nothing to report from Bailey. Surprisingly, the streets remained calm, no protestors, no looting, nor burning buildings. The sheriff's dept did respond to a barking dog call...
hollohas
11-25-2014, 07:12
Some of the evidence. Tons of pictures included (nothing graphic as far as I can see).
http://fox2now.com/2014/11/24/prosecutor-robert-mcculloch-releases-grand-jury-evidence-in-michael-brown-case/
I gotta say...as far as strictly coverage goes...CNN has had the best coverage this evening so far.
Agreed, no one else was on it. I was amazed at the stupidity of the reporters on the ground and the liberal slant by CNN during the whole thing. Could we have expected anything else?
Obama's split screen speech was very telling as well.
kidicarus13
11-25-2014, 08:14
I was amazed at the stupidity of the reporters on the ground and the liberal slant by CNN during the whole thing. Could we have expected anything else?
It was/is really bad. ...like gasoline on a fire. This morning I heard, "Ferguson is in chaos because the grand jury REFUSED to indict."
ZERO THEORY
11-25-2014, 08:20
If you really want to lose brain cells, Yahoo posted a video as soon as the Grand Jury made their decision. They continued to use buzz words and misleading language to make it sound like an execution. And just like with Trayvon, they made sure to use a photo of him that was four or five years old.
Video is in this link. (https://news.yahoo.com/grand-jury-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson-michael-brown-shooting-death-225723458.html)
Media didn't get the $$$$ trial, now they're getting their $$$$$ riot coverage.
There will be no end to the lies and disinformation spread by the media.
Anyone read this?
http://www.9news.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/25/brown-wilson-ferguson-killing-grand-jury/70076886/
Sounds like the gun was out of battery a few times during the struggle. Anyone have any more information on this?
LETS NOT MAKE THIS INTO A SIG BASHING THREAD!
rock_castle
11-25-2014, 09:11
So a violent criminal attacked a cop and he got himself killed. Happens everyday. No need for the POTUS to give a speech about it. Liberals are morons.
I have two LEO friends who will no longer carry SIGs. One, attempted to fire his SIG at an assailant and the same thing happened...bad trigger spring. He dove into his cruiser and barely got the muzzle of the AR moving towards the assailant when he thought better of it and gave up.
BPTactical
11-25-2014, 09:16
If he had only had a HiPoint......
I think that's the main rationale. Much as the machismo would want me to stay and defend my property, insurance will replace it and it's just not worth being tarred and feathered in public by the likes of Al Sharpton and the idiot talking heads in the MSM. Darren Wilson will never have a normal life again because Mike Brown was a thug and an idiot and his parents can't face facts about their "baby".
Except insurance WON'T replace anything.
This was nothing more than a person who made a very poor decision to attack another person and as a result paid with his life. The lesson learned should be to not attack another person, ever. But that lacks the skin color element. This had nothing to do with race, except the exploitation of it all by the race terrorists. Obummer's speech was a travesty wherein he indicted himself for breaking the law, but he knows he will never be held accountable for his trouncing of the constitution nor the law. But it does show the rest of the world that we put a hypocritical, racist, elitist into the highest office in the land. Guess that new American Dream...do what ever you want except have integrity.
BPTactical
11-25-2014, 09:21
Ol Barry is 0-3 on race bait issues.
Cambridge PD where "the police acted stupidly" and resulted in the "Beer Summit"
"If I had a son" Trayvon Martin.
Fergidishu.
I guess he isn't exactly a Master Baiter.....
The split screen did crack me up, preaching for peace as torches are lit.
When are people of color going to figure out he is no friend?
thvigil11
11-25-2014, 09:25
Shoulda bought a Toyota.
bobbyfairbanks
11-25-2014, 09:25
Everything fails. SIG makes a pretty good gun. I'm not a double/single kinda guy but the are nice. I'm know to be able to break everything. I've actually never broke a SIG but I have broke a Glock, 1911, wheel guns, 92F and a XD. I put the glock on first because everyone thinks they will never break. If you take care of your gear and do good matinence then you have nothing to worry about if your using good gear.
Anyone wanna do crossfit?
BPTactical
11-25-2014, 09:35
Isn't American Idol on?
The only reason I posted this was to see if anyone had any "secret" knowledge about how or why the gun didnt go off. Always good to know the limitations of the guns we use as LEO's.
Ol Barry is 0-3 on race bait issues.
Cambridge PD where "the police acted stupidly" and resulted in the "Beer Summit"
"If I had a son" Trayvon Martin.
Fergidishu.
I guess he isn't exactly a Master Baiter.....
The split screen did crack me up, preaching for peace as torches are lit.
When are people of color going to figure out he is no friend?
When they realize he is half white and is actually against them. These bait words/tone/speeches he uses like "stay the course" "if I had a son" etc are really ploys to further push blacks into hating more.
What good comes from sensationalizing cases like this? Those participants get in trouble, the media exploits the opportunity to show black communities tearing themselves apart. And the flapping head Obama subtly cheers them on.
A true spokesperson (not Obama) but someone like Shartpon would say we are going to rise above this, we will do the right thing and accept what we believe to be injustice as that is how the system works sometimes and we will learn from the mistakes of these two men who were killed (martin and brown).
But....nope. Instead its burn it all down cause we didn't get what we wanted.
buffalobo
11-25-2014, 09:42
Anybody actually see National Guard in the video coverage?
Am reading reports that they were not utilized in the rioting. WTH? Governor Nixon playing ball with the party instead of protecting the citizens of his state?
No clue on the OP's question, I was under the impression that Sigs were top tier. I'd like to know the issues too.
buckshotbarlow
11-25-2014, 09:46
facepalm...
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link (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ferguson-Scanner-updates/272670539597276?slog=93&seq=1385458012&rk=32&fbtype=274)
WillysWagon
11-25-2014, 09:50
Meh, give them a 50% on accuracy, it's a semi-automatic weapon, they just forgot the semi part
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 09:53
Anybody actually see National Guard in the video coverage?
Am reading reports that they were not utilized in the rioting. WTH? Governor Nixon playing ball with the party instead of protecting the citizens of his state?
I only saw a few of them protecting the police HQ.
68Charger
11-25-2014, 09:53
If the slide was pushed back enough to be out of battery in the struggle, I would think that the trigger would not even engage (no click), but I don't have experience with SIGs
I noticed that too, someone made the decision NOT to deploy them?
It's going to be a long week, thoughts go out to all the LE, Fire and Guard members in the area. Stay safe!
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 09:59
So did all these criminals just go home and go to bed or what?
Rooskibar03
11-25-2014, 10:00
Well that's it, I'm selling all my Sigs but the price is FIRM.
hollohas
11-25-2014, 10:02
So did all these criminals just go home and go to bed or what?
Well, might as well take a nap when you bring home your loot. That way you're fresh for another round.
Scanker19
11-25-2014, 10:03
At least their not orange and squishy. Can anyone confirm?
HBARleatherneck
11-25-2014, 10:03
they confiscated a 45mm automatic weapon too. Fox said that.
now that IS some scary shit. a 45mm auto? Our chain guns in the Corps were only 20mm. a 45mm auto would be wiping some shit out.
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 10:06
If the slide was pushed back enough to be out of battery in the struggle, I would think that the trigger would not even engage (no click), but I don't have experience with SIGs
^^ This is the answer^^
It's like a game of tag. They're at "base" and can't be bothered.
muddywings
11-25-2014, 10:15
GK and 68 are on to something there. once a struggle starts, everybody starts grabbing for the gun. push the slide far enough out of battery and it won't go bang. Not a Sig guy myself but I think the Sig DA/SA actually was a benefit. Pull the trigger on striker fired weapon and you'll have to rack the slide but a DA/SA you can just keep pulling the trigger to get that same 'reset' and probably why he got more than one shot off in the car.
Correct me if I'm wrong though. (also, haven't read the article yet)
ETA: went back and read the article quickly. I could be wrong about the da/sa vs striker fired issue. However, close quarters shooting like that can cause issues if the slide contacts something while cycling and doesn't fully cycle and stays out of battery after the fact.
in my prior LEO time, we went over an officer involved shooting where perp charged officer, officer got off a few shots but the perp made body contact with the officer and gun causing an out of battery problem (glock). gun would not fire again but at this point it was a non-issue as the perp was then feeling the effects of being killed a few seconds prior but he just didn't know it right away.
Hey it's cold in MO, Hose em down.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 10:17
they confiscated a 45mm automatic weapon too. Fox said that.
now that IS some scary shit. a 45mm auto? Our chain guns in the Corps were only 20mm. a 45mm auto would be wiping some shit out.
[LOL]
ThunderSquirrel
11-25-2014, 10:19
Hey it's cold in MO, Hose em down.
This.
It's a semi-accurate account.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 10:29
It's a semi-accurate account.
I see what you did there...
colorider
11-25-2014, 10:31
They will come out at night. Like roaches Tonight will be another round of crap. Hosing them down sounds like an epic idea. Soaked hoodies and parkas !
they confiscated a 45mm automatic weapon too. Fox said that.
now that IS some scary shit. a 45mm auto? Our chain guns in the Corps were only 20mm. a 45mm auto would be wiping some shit out.
A rifle so big only Michael Brown (6' 5" 289lbs) could have carried it, too bad he's dead over some cheap cigars.
eneranch
11-25-2014, 10:45
Police are damned if they do & damned if they don't; no good deed goes unpunished.
68Charger
11-25-2014, 10:49
The "clicks" that confuse me are the ones before the 1st shot... perhaps the SIG DA mechanism clicks even if it's OOB?
When the 1st shot was fired if something was in the way of the slide (preventing it from cycling), then Wilson would have to rack the slide to eject the spent casing and get a new round- makes perfect sense... it was clicking on a spent casing.
And absolutely the DA aspect of the pistol helped get the 1st shot off.
Cujo0920
11-25-2014, 10:51
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844491/Ferguson-Missouri-Police-officer-Darren-Wilson-NOT-face-charges-shooting-unarmed-black-teen-Michael-Brown.html
As usual, the UK and European press does a better job of covering how this went down last night than our own MSM. Pictures really are worth a thousand words.
PugnacAutMortem
11-25-2014, 10:51
Hey it's cold in MO, Hose em down.
I understand where this line of thinking comes from, I really do. These are punks and thugs and criminals and that would be a very good deterrent. However, you think the shitstorm coming down on the officer who shot Brown is incredible? What about the shitstorm that would come down on the cops using fire hoses on black people in a civil unrest situation a la the Civil Rights movement?
Like I said, these criminals need to be dealt with...but the fire hose idea is the most preposterous thing that has been suggested so far.
they confiscated a 45mm automatic weapon too. Fox said that.
now that IS some scary shit. a 45mm auto? Our chain guns in the Corps were only 20mm. a 45mm auto would be wiping some shit out.
Almost a mk19 aka 40mm ,,loved firing that BEAST.
Would hate to carry one on patrol.
hollohas
11-25-2014, 11:00
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844491/Ferguson-Missouri-Police-officer-Darren-Wilson-NOT-face-charges-shooting-unarmed-black-teen-Michael-Brown.html
As usual, the UK and European press does a better job of covering how this went down last night than our own MSM. Pictures really are worth a thousand words.
If you can filter through all the tabloid BS, Dailymail actually consistently has very good reporting. They were the first and most accurate during the US ebola stuff too.
PugnacAutMortem
11-25-2014, 11:05
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844491/Ferguson-Missouri-Police-officer-Darren-Wilson-NOT-face-charges-shooting-unarmed-black-teen-Michael-Brown.html
As usual, the UK and European press does a better job of covering how this went down last night than our own MSM. Pictures really are worth a thousand words.
Now that is press coverage. Impressive, I wish America's media would cover events in tha fashion.
hollohas
11-25-2014, 11:09
Just a quick example of Dailymail's more accurate reporting. Notice the captions.
Exhibit A - CNN
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Exhibit B - Dailymail
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Chad4000
11-25-2014, 11:11
Just a quick example of Dailymail's more accurate reporting. Notice the captions.
Exhibit A - CNN
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Exhibit B - Dailymail
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wow.. thanks for this post
Aloha_Shooter
11-25-2014, 11:15
The only thing I have against the Daily Mail article is their reference to Michael Brown as "the victim". Darren Wilson and the citizens of Ferguson are the victims here. Michael Brown is the posthumous perpetrator, Al Sharpton is the living breathing perpetrator (albeit aided and abetted by jackwads like Crump and Holder and Barry O).
In this case, news is 100% correct. You do realize what the A in 45 ACP stands for, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Colt_Pistol
:)
This one pisses me off:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/25/237AF01200000578-0-image-67_1416887204135.jpg
Ranger353
11-25-2014, 11:25
they confiscated a 45mm automatic weapon too. Fox said that.
now that IS some scary shit. a 45mm auto? Our chain guns in the Corps were only 20mm. a 45mm auto would be wiping some shit out.
I want one! [ROFL1]
Of course they're burning flags, they aren't Americans, they're shit.
Of course they're burning flags, they aren't Americans, they're shit.
Yup. That sums it up for me.
Abomb5800
11-25-2014, 11:41
Accorded to the documentation from the investigation, during the first two attempts to fire his weapon, Brown's hand obstructed the hammer ability to contact the firing pin.(This is Ofc Wilsons determination based on Brown's hand placement) During his attempt to fire a second shot, he had a spent case in the chamber due to the slide being prevented from cycling by Brown.
From my experience as a firearms instructor and armor, if the pistol was failing to fire due to out of spec springs or other unknown aspect due to lack of maintenance, he would have issues fire the ten other shots he got off.
We may never know why he got clicks. The way I look at it, is if Brown had gotten his finger on the trigger and pulled it while it was pressed in to Wilson's lap, it would not have gone bang, saving Wilson. Wilson was able to fight through the problem, and won the fight!
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HBARleatherneck
11-25-2014, 12:10
In this case, news is 100% correct. You do realize what the A in 45 ACP stands for, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Colt_Pistol
:)
except they said 45mm. point 45 and 45mm are vastly different. At least thats what Fox news articles say on their website.
Aardvark
11-25-2014, 12:11
This one pisses me off:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/25/237AF01200000578-0-image-67_1416887204135.jpg
who do you think will be quick to join ISIS/ISIL when they show up in the "U.S"...
KestrelBike
11-25-2014, 12:20
Of course they're burning flags, they aren't Americans, they're shit.
They should have burned their SNAP cards right along with it.
They should have burned their SNAP cards right along with it.
If they followed through with logic then yes they should have, unfortunately they don't do logic. They do emotion because they are children in adult bodies, just like their leaders hadji, holder, sharpton, and jackson.
sellersm
11-25-2014, 12:27
This one pisses me off:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/25/237AF01200000578-0-image-67_1416887204135.jpg
Isn't that a black panther member in the background, watching the burning?
KestrelBike
11-25-2014, 12:35
The "clicks" that confuse me are the ones before the 1st shot... perhaps the SIG DA mechanism clicks even if it's OOB?
When the 1st shot was fired if something was in the way of the slide (preventing it from cycling), then Wilson would have to rack the slide to eject the spent casing and get a new round- makes perfect sense... it was clicking on a spent casing.
And absolutely the DA aspect of the pistol helped get the 1st shot off.
I like this explanation, but does no one have a sig that they can put slightly out of battery (with hammer down, I assume) to see if pulling the trigger will bring the hammer back DA style?
I've tried to do it on the only 2 DA/SA pistols I have: HK USP 45 and Jericho 941 (essentially CZ-75) It's pretty hard to do with an HK, and I don't know if the firing pin would have been blocked or not to prevent a discharge. On the Jericho, it was a bit easier (ie I can make the hammer go back and forth) but without a round in it, who knows if it would have gone off.
Where is Al Sharpton at?
He always defending these street thugs that get shot.
hurley842002
11-25-2014, 13:10
Where is Al Sharpton at?
He always defending these street thugs that get shot.
Does anybody really care?
eneranch
11-25-2014, 13:11
Probably stirring the pot behind the scenes; job security & all.
I 'automatically' question everything I read or hear anymore. I recently overheard a couple at the deli counter discussing how a 1/2 pound was only 6oz because there are 12oz in a pound. I decided to respect my elders and kept my mouth shut.
So .45 or 45mm, it's all the same to many these days. It's sad how stupid people are.
except they said 45mm. point 45 and 45mm are vastly different. At least thats what Fox news articles say on their website.
I don't know about you, but I think a fully-automatic cannon would help stop those looters. I'm not sure how you'd build the magazine though... :)
Where do I get 45mm Dillon dies?
http://i.imgur.com/NrjLCIN.jpg
Where is Al Sharpton at?
He always defending these street thugs that get shot.
He had his press conference already.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/sharpton-slams-grand-jury-process-183748860.html
I went and tried this on my Sig SP 2022 in 9mm, and did discover that in SA pulling the trigger with the slide is OOB results in the hammer falling and it sounds like the firing pin is engaged. However, firing in DA while OOB results in the hammer going halfway back and falling forward with a light click indicating the firing pin is not engaging fully. There is also a click as the trigger does reset when it comes forward.
I have a 226 at home. I'll mess with it when I get home tonight.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 14:19
What do you guys think will happen tonight?
Honestly, I think 99% of the 1% that was rioting and looting is too lazy to go out and do it again.
BushMasterBoy
11-25-2014, 14:43
Over 80 arrests, I wonder how many get to go to prison? I think a mandatory visit to a prison during senior year high school would help stop this kind of behavior. Meh...WTF do I know...
Yes. The P229 has an audible click as the trigger resets. If the hammer is blocked, the round will not fire.
I have more than one, and BP can confirm this at his convenience.
I have no concerns carrying a P229. They are a bit pricey, but IMO, they are extremely well made duty pistols. I also have no problems carrying a Glock or a P250. None have given me concern on their function or I wouldn't carry them.
PugnacAutMortem
11-25-2014, 14:43
What do you guys think will happen tonight?
Honestly, I think 99% of the 1% that was rioting and looting is too lazy to go out and do it again.
I think you'll see less looting and arson, but I bet the conflicts with the police will increase. The militant individuals will be out in force, but you're right the people who were just out there to loot because the opportunity was available won't be back out tonight.
sellersm
11-25-2014, 14:58
What do you guys think will happen tonight?
Honestly, I think 99% of the 1% that was rioting and looting is too lazy to go out and do it again.
According to what I heard this AM from some folks in the area, there are planned protests in 4 surrounding areas. The organizers want to spread this out...
Ranger353
11-25-2014, 15:01
Interesting reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?_r=1
What do you guys think will happen tonight?
Honestly, I think 99% of the 1% that was rioting and looting is too lazy to go out and do it again.
You're the second person I've talked to who said they're going to take 2nite off.
Gotta remember, these people are lllaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzy and good for nothing so they'll prob drink a ton of stolen booze and count their loot
stoner01
11-25-2014, 15:07
According to what I heard this AM from some folks in the area, there are planned protests in 4 surrounding areas. The organizers want to spread this out...
Well ain't that just dandy. Nothing like half a state in chaos to usher in marshal law.
/ tinfoil loosened
hollohas
11-25-2014, 15:13
CNN has an editorial up that not so loosely blames the riots on the authorities due to the fact they waited until after dark to make the announcement.
A) waiting until 8:00 pm was a VERY smart decision because it allowed all the good working folk to get home safely before the riots.
B) everyone has known for months that there would be riots after the decision...announcement timing had nothing to do with it.
Some ignorant fool wrote that piece.
sellersm
11-25-2014, 15:26
CNN has an editorial up that not so loosely blames the riots on the authorities due to the fact they waited until after dark to make the announcement.
A) waiting until 8:00 pm was a VERY smart decision because it allowed all the good working folk to get home safely before the riots.
B) everyone has known for months that there would be riots after the decision...announcement timing had nothing to do with it.
Some ignorant fool played his/her role well.
FIFY.
Gotta disagree with the fellas that think the looters are taking the night off. I'm betting just the opposite, gotta strike while the iron is hot and get while the gettin's good, and all that.
They'll be out in force and expanding their looting zone.
But I hope I'm wrong.
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 15:40
The top commie at DOJ is speaking now.
I like this explanation, but does no one have a sig that they can put slightly out of battery (with hammer down, I assume) to see if pulling the trigger will bring the hammer back DA style?
I've tried to do it on the only 2 DA/SA pistols I have: HK USP 45 and Jericho 941 (essentially CZ-75) It's pretty hard to do with an HK, and I don't know if the firing pin would have been blocked or not to prevent a discharge. On the Jericho, it was a bit easier (ie I can make the hammer go back and forth) but without a round in it, who knows if it would have gone off.
On my P226 (MK25 so standard DA/SA) it depends how far out of battery it is.
If the weapon is in DA The slide can move about 1.5-2mm back and still function. If the slide is put back more than that, it's effectively OOB. From that point until the slide makes contact with the hammer the trigger functions and hammer drops as if it were in battery but no contact is made with the firing pin. Once the slide has pressure on the hammer, the trigger pulls with no response and several ugly clicks along the way.
In SA it's just about the same. The slide can move about 1-2mm and the hammer will still drop but with lighter primer strikes. Another mm or so back hammer will drop without striking the firing pin. Any further back the trigger moves freely.
Bailey Guns
11-25-2014, 15:57
The real reason for the riots is because the police didn't stick to the demands suggestions rules of engagement proposed by the peaceful protestors. It's all about that fuckin' thin blue line. Those people were all law abiding citizens until provoked by the po-po.
Ranger353
11-25-2014, 16:01
Let the games begin:
http://www.hstoday.us/single-article/breaking-isis-supporters-on-twitter-call-to-use-ferguson-protests-as-cover-for-lone-wolf-attacks/3468c1258120be8f37b40a04426be058.html
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 16:03
I had one of those, looked just like that one. Man, I didn't know it was an automatic.
I had one of those, looked just like that one. Man, I didn't know it was an automatic.
As fast as you could swing the breach, load, and pull the lanyard. [Coffee]
Ranger353
11-25-2014, 16:09
As fast as you could swing the breach, load, and pull the lanyard. [Coffee]
Thus the term "Gun Bunnies" was used to describe the actions of the men operating those "guns".
Sounds like we got it figured out.
Thanks guys.
So why hasn't Dorian Johnson been charged?
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 16:52
http://i.imgur.com/017504C.jpg
sellersm
11-25-2014, 16:55
Anyone care to explain how the governor/authorities in the State allowed the protestors to block a Federal highway? Or explain why the National Guard wasn't involved? They were guarding a non-threatened official office in Clayton...
The whole thing is one big setup. Been planned for a while, will be executed according to that plan.
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 16:56
Like no one may or may not have had a hand in any of the DISAPPOINTMENT Protest already happening.
sellersm
11-25-2014, 16:59
My sources in MO say that they've seen many isis people 'around'. Also, there have been many warnings about just such an event being used by terrorist groups to further the chaos.
Some of the dialogue is hilarious.
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 17:03
The real reason for the riots is because the police didn't stick to the demands suggestions rules of engagement proposed by the peaceful protestors. It's all about that fuckin' thin blue line. Those people were all law abiding citizens until provoked by the po-po.
http://www.clipular.com/c/6496036975542272.png?k=VLPmyzphb0czayk61Dgj5cRWV7c
Too me... Most all of Ferguson got their Christmas shopping done early.
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 17:15
The pres' is telling more lies and Fox News just turned away from his comments.
wctriumph
11-25-2014, 17:16
Aloha Snack bar! Aloha Snack bar!
Too me... Most all of Ferguson got their Christmas shopping done early.
I had a post similar to this typed up earlier but forgot how to use the internet. That's all this is. Taking advantage of the death of another human being to get more shit that didn't have to pay for. It's almost like they're addicted to the idea of getting shit for free. Weird.
colorider
11-25-2014, 17:19
Anyone care to explain how the governor/authorities in the State allowed the protestors to block a Federal highway? Or explain why the National Guard wasn't involved? They were guarding a non-threatened official office in Clayton...
The whole thing is one big setup. Been planned for a while, will be executed according to that plan.
in the news fluff before the announcement they said they were going to allow protesters to block traffic. What a joke.
colorider
11-25-2014, 17:20
Just start shooting the fuckers.
My sources in MO say that they've seen many isis people 'around'. Also, there have been many warnings about just such an event being used by terrorist groups to further the chaos.
Come on now, you have "sources" that have seen terrorists around town?
sellersm
11-25-2014, 17:24
Come on now, you have "sources" that have seen terrorists around town?
Didn't say that...
stoner01
11-25-2014, 17:25
Come on now, you have "sources" that have seen terrorists around town?
Infowars doesn't count as a source.
RblDiver
11-25-2014, 17:26
I really wouldn't be surprised if Wilson's house is burned tonight. The New York Times published the address. *smh* http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/11/25/ferguson-riot-media-live-blog
Witness #10 seems to be the most inline with Off. Wilson's testimony.
The forensics were pretty straight forward. Federal Hydra Shok 180gr .40 S&W out of a SIG P229. The bullets held up fairly well, with one actually maintaining 177gr weight upon recovery.
Still lots of reading to do, but I don't expect most people will read all of it.
Let the wrongful death civil case proceed.
Be safe.
Bailey Guns
11-25-2014, 17:33
That is seriously fucked up. I'm calling and emailing right now. I'm wishing all kinds of evil on those responsible for doing that.
PugnacAutMortem
11-25-2014, 17:34
Infowars doesn't count as a source.
Sure it does. It's just an unbelievably shitty one.
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 17:38
I think the shit storm continues tonight....might even be through the weekend.
Scanker19
11-25-2014, 17:38
Witness 41 #1 is a good read.
hurley842002
11-25-2014, 17:39
Didn't say that...
You didn't, really?
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 17:40
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370951-interview-witness-35.html
sellersm
11-25-2014, 17:40
You didn't, really?
Nope.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 17:43
I really wouldn't be surprised if Wilson's house is burned tonight. The New York Times published the address. *smh* http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/11/25/ferguson-riot-media-live-blog
[facepalm][facepalm][facepalm] We should publish the address of the NYT writer and editor so that Wilson and his family can go stay safely at their place.
I really hope that the NY times didn't post that. That is sickening if they did.
That's bullshit, that's what that is
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 17:48
Witness 41 #1 is a good read.
My eyes are bleeding.
hurley842002
11-25-2014, 17:49
Nope.
Huh, apparently my eyes and other people's eyes have been deceived.
Obama, last night was angry and disappointed that the decision you can tell. All he did was talk about cops and how bad they are, today he's trying to sign a new light on it. His writers must of been busy last night preparing his bullshit speech. How this guy is still present I do not know he should be thrown out of office I cannot stand watching him
Obama, last night was angry and disappointed that the decision you can tell. All he did was talk about cops and how bad they are, today he's trying to sign a new light on it. His writers must of been busy last night preparing his bullshit speech. How this guy is still present I do not know he should be thrown out of office I cannot stand watching him
His speech was so weak last night. He had ZERO authority in his voice. Stumbling over his words. Ugh.
Bailey Guns
11-25-2014, 17:53
Officer Wilson and Officer Spradling own a home together on Manda Lane in Crestwood, Mo., a St. Louis suburb about a half-hour drive from Ferguson.
Editors' Note: November 25, 2014
An earlier version of this post included a photograph that contained information that should not have been made public. The image has been removed.
Looks like they removed the information. I wonder why? Certainly not because it was the right thing to do.
sellersm
11-25-2014, 17:53
"town"... never used that word.
Anyone with google could figure it out though. But yes, it is horribly screwed up to print his address.
I have been at work all day, does anybody know if the riots are still going on tonight I have they started? Or has it been tame
sellersm
11-25-2014, 17:58
There are some .mil, ex-mil, pro-american militia and other folks present there... If you get your info from the MSM, then you won't hear the truth.
I also did a Google search on that Michael Brown, I love how the media uses one picture of him wearing a hat and a white button up polo shirt, makes him look like a nice outstanding citizen. Once you go on Google images you see him holding alcohol money in his mouth and his friend is getting high while he's pointing a gun at the camera. Other picturesshow him throwing gang signs and everyone. I would love just wants for the media to actually show those pictures. I also saw on the news that his stepdad, after the verdict came down, started screaming burn this motherfucker down over and over to the crowd.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 18:03
As darkness falls.... I'm glad to be far far away from Ferguson.
Anyone with google could figure it out though. But yes, it is horribly screwed up to print his address.
They didn't screw up, they did it on purpose.
The entire motivation behind all this is money and the networks are going to do whatever it takes to generate advertising revenue. The NYT is on the verge of closing shop so this might be one of their last grasps at some income and relevance.
blacklabel
11-25-2014, 18:10
As darkness falls.... I'm glad to be far far away from Ferguson.
That's the truth.
hurley842002
11-25-2014, 18:29
"town"... never used that word.
LOL wow ok, like it makes the message any different.
blacklabel
11-25-2014, 18:33
There are some .mil, ex-mil, pro-american militia and other folks present there... If you get your info from the MSM, then you won't hear the truth.
Well fill us in so we have the truth.
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 18:42
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370951-interview-witness-35.html
This one I couldn't get all the way through...it was killing me to read it.
Big John
11-25-2014, 18:52
As darkness falls.... I'm glad to be far far away from Ferguson.[ROFL3]
#41 and #42 are unf*cking believable.....
Bummer. I was hoping for a SIG pie fight to go with my coffee. [Coffee]
RblDiver
11-25-2014, 19:00
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370951-interview-witness-35.html
Lmao, boy howdy. Page 23 had a great bit, the detective was asking the guy to show visually how Wilson was standing over Brown (as the guy claimed he was doing). He wanted the witness to portray Wilson, and use the (female) attorney as reference to Brown in terms of position.
"Detective: OK, let's just make the assumption that she's on her knees, ok?" "Attorney: Want me to get on my knees?" "Detective: No ma'am. (Inaudible) (laughter)"
They actually are extremely believable...as fiction.
Anyone who interviews/interrogates for a living could sift through these transcripts. Transcripts are actually more difficult to follow because they lack the natural cues we use to communicate. As far as methods of communications, audio without video is better than video without audio. Video with audio is a half step behind being physically present.
Even truthful statements have inaccuracies within. Some of the questions asked by the FBI agent (noted as SA) and the Detective are very telling. The Detective is trying to get a first read from the witness, by letting him give an uninterrupted narrative. The SA gets hooked on the second or third known inaccuracy given by the witness and turns the interview into a more confrontational interview. The witness' attorney actually seems to be trying to help the interviewers, however, by the end when it is clear that the interviewers are going to turn the interview into a perjury investigation, she ends the interview and wants the recorder turned off.
IMO, the witness was reciting the narrative that had been rehearsed by everyone in the Brown family since the shooting. The blood stains, the make believe dialogue between the officer and Brown. Pretty typical and one of the many reasons this case would not have resulted in a guilty verdict if the case had gone to trial, again IMO.
"Detective: OK, let's just make the assumption that she's on her knees, ok?" "Attorney: Want me to get on my knees?" "Detective: No ma'am. (Inaudible) (laughter)"
Yeah, that would never have ended well. I don't know if the attorney was attempting to set up the interviewers or she was just naive. It doesn't matter, because they didn't take the bait.
68Charger
11-25-2014, 19:15
Bummer. I was hoping for a SIG pie fight to go with my coffee. [Coffee]
Mmmm... pie
RblDiver
11-25-2014, 19:16
#41 and #42 are unf*cking believable.....
Am I seeing things, or are 35, 41, and 42 the same interview, just with perhaps slightly different transcription?
Edit: Looks like the issue I have is the documentcloud site, versus the ones on the NYT page.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM-olixD9yA
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 19:35
Tough gal....cool for her to keep it going after that.
#41 and #42 are the same person but at different times I think.
ZERO THEORY
11-25-2014, 19:51
For what it's worth, it's .45 Automatic Colt Pistol. And well into the 20th century, autoloaders were referred to as autos.
Jus' sayin'.
jerrymrc
11-25-2014, 19:55
5 threads into one. This topic got stupid all the way around.[beatdeadhorse][Bang]
ZERO THEORY
11-25-2014, 19:55
There are some .mil, ex-mil, pro-american militia and other folks present there... If you get your info from the MSM, then you won't hear the truth.
http://i.imgur.com/M7YqY7I.gif
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 19:57
Any reports of action tonight?
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 20:01
Any reports of action tonight?
Yeah, immediate local justice converged.
blacklabel
11-25-2014, 20:08
Any reports of action tonight?
They're all waiting for Michael Brown's stepfather to tell them to burn down a pizza hut.
I don't know about Ferguson, but New York has a lot of people in LA does two
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 20:14
http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 20:15
They're all waiting for Michael Brown's stepfather to tell them to BURN THIS BITCH DOWN.
FIFY
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 20:25
Outside of Megyn looking outstanding in a leopard style top. She had a Former ACLU atty AND WSJ editorial board, both persons of color. The WSJ (Jason Reilly ) guy said it's Black Criminality. Cops are not the reason. Big difference than the MO state senator, hyphen Nadal saying IT'S OUR RACE WAR.
A.J. is in the hood. All is lost. [Shake]
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 20:33
A.J. is in the hood. All is lost. [Shake]
lol not yet... I hope he gets accidentally tear gassed. :)
blacklabel
11-25-2014, 20:35
Bunch of able bodied young men trying to rip down a fence. They should learn to carry multitools.
Woke up to a Redit post about a local businessman who wanted to know who was circling his building stopping the looters from burning his building. A whole lot of shit but also some honorable citizens. Yeah, it won't see any press.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 21:00
Woke up to a Redit post about a local businessman who wanted to know who was circling his building stopping the looters from burning his building. A whole lot of shit but also some honorable citizens. Yeah, it won't see any press.
Could be Oath Keepers, or just other good men and women.
Oath keepers call for assistance:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/25/oath-keepers-guarding-businesses-in-ferguson-missouri-calling-on-volunteers-to-assist/
Could be Oath Keepers, or just other good men and women.
Oath keepers call for assistance:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/11/25/oath-keepers-guarding-businesses-in-ferguson-missouri-calling-on-volunteers-to-assist/
My guess is good men and women. It's good to see others stepping up to stop some of the stupidity.
They just started a fire at the Auto Zone
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 21:17
Why do they keep burning down the car parts stores???
OtterbatHellcat
11-25-2014, 21:18
Pissed they don't have a car?
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 21:33
Sounds like things are heating up... reports on the scanner of people taking fireworks and bottles toward the police HQ. Interesting tactic...
Yeah, I think there will be a repeat of last night.
The real rowdies are getting hammered in their cribs on last nights booze before they go out and retrieve more xmas presents for themselves.
You guys are very confused about the stepdad saying burn this bitch down, I think he was talking about Jason Aldeans new song burning it down
http://youtu.be/xdImDqbgc2g
I may be wrong though?
Rucker61
11-25-2014, 21:57
Maybe publishing the Grand Jury decision at about 6pm on Wednesday would be a good idea. [dig]
They could have published this Friday since it's...
sellersm
11-25-2014, 22:01
Woke up to a Redit post about a local businessman who wanted to know who was circling his building stopping the looters from burning his building. A whole lot of shit but also some honorable citizens. Yeah, it won't see any press.
That's my understanding: Oathkeepers, militia, .mil and just good old American patriots are helping out. I know of a few that are watching their neighborhoods, blockades in the street to keep the cars out, etc. I know of men that are standing firm to protect their homes after sending their families far away to safety...
I hate to admit this but CNN is 20 times better coverage than Fox, Fox is doing terrible
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 22:21
That's my understanding: Oathkeepers, militia, .mil and just good old American patriots are helping out. I know of a few that are watching their neighborhoods, blockades in the street to keep the cars out, etc. I know of men that are standing firm to protect their homes after sending their families far away to safety...
As it should be. Be it an outside threat, serious weather that hampers movement of the seniors and less able bodied etc.
I hate to admit this but CNN is 20 times better coverage than Fox, Fox is doing terrible
Surprisingly they are. HOWEVER the bomb throwing apologist they interview. VAN JONES??[facepalm]Their news guy jason carol almost got in a confrontation with.......................white guys.
If Micheal Brown was alive , Know what he'd be saying?
HEY GET ME OUT OF THIS CASKET.
HoneyBadger
11-25-2014, 22:24
A voice from an armored truck is repeatedly saying "We need to stop destroying property in the city of Ferguson"
and "Residents of Ferguson. This is an unlawful assembly. You all need to disperse. Failure to do so will result in arrest"
BushMasterBoy
11-25-2014, 22:25
Wow!
Keep this in mind.
All of this started b/c some worthless scum didn't have a buck fifty for a pack of crappy cigars.
hurley842002
11-25-2014, 22:33
I know many here are not fans of Chris Rock (myself included), but this just seems so fitting to the events leading up to this mess.
http://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8
Some idiot hit a police car, the idiots car had temp tags. What a riot!! Probably baked like the decedent in whose memory all this is taking place.
I know many here are not fans of Chris Rock (myself included), but this just seems so fitting to the events leading up to this mess.
http://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8
Nice!!
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 23:02
OH My, the denver protesters were maced and don't understand why when prohibited from entering I-25, they were cheese it's.
I support the right to assemble, protest, demand action. However when one commits arson, looting assault the gloves come off.
The business owners whose lifes were turned upside down should find some shyster and go after the governor, Holder, Obama, AND the media like CNN & NBC .
OH My, the denver protesters were maced and don't understand why when prohibited from entering I-25, they were cheese it's.
I support the right to assemble, protest, demand action. However when one commits arson, looting assault the gloves come off.
Don't you remember all of the looting and rioting we did after the Colorado legislature ram rodded the gun bills through [Sarcasm2]
Great-Kazoo
11-25-2014, 23:08
Don't you remember all of the looting and rioting we did after the Colorado legislature ram rodded the gun bills through [Sarcasm2]
I had an alibi.
ETA. There a new talking points handed out ? Van Jones regurgitated the IF THESE PEOPLE HAD JOBS. BUT massa jones i was told by your handler, Jobs and the economy were at an all time high.
I had an alibi.
I normally make those up the next time the target faces.
KestrelBike
11-25-2014, 23:12
Witness 41 #1 is a good read.
holy... "the gun said "click click" "
KestrelBike
11-25-2014, 23:14
I also did a Google search on that Michael Brown, I love how the media uses one picture of him wearing a hat and a white button up polo shirt, makes him look like a nice outstanding citizen. Once you go on Google images you see him holding alcohol money in his mouth and his friend is getting high while he's pointing a gun at the camera. Other picturesshow him throwing gang signs and everyone. I would love just wants for the media to actually show those pictures. I also saw on the news that his stepdad, after the verdict came down, started screaming burn this motherfucker down over and over to the crowd.
Apparently his church burned down http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/11/someone_torched_michael_brown_srs_church.php
Scanker19
11-25-2014, 23:17
holy... "the gun said "click click" "
That was my favorite part!!!
If the wheels on the bus can go round and round, then the trigger on the SIG can say click, click, click. Kids songs are fun!
That kids atty didn't come off as very literate.
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 00:23
That kids atty didn't come off as very literate.
Protesters and pmsnbc talking heads saying she be a .gov plant
There are more than a few reasons why these people do not have jobs.
1. Their parents failed them.
2. The schools failed them.
3. They failed themselves by not trying to overcome 1 and 2.
That kids atty didn't come off as very literate.
They're just speaking in a manner that their below-normal-IQ client can understand.
I'm listening to callers on KHOW, they're blaming people like me, conservative/libertarian for their woes. LOL, the only person they have to blame is the fuckwit they see in the mirror every day.
The (D) plan to make blacks victims is working just fine, all these people think they are victims of something else besides their own stupidity and ignorance. Nice job (D), you've created an entire class of idiots dependent on other idiots --> the (D).
mikedubs
11-26-2014, 08:49
Watched Mike Brown's mother and birth father do the CBS morning show with the ubiquitous Ben Crump. Some things stood out to me.
The stepfather is nowhere to be seen on any sort of interview; however, he IS seen on iphone video calling to burn this bitch down. Probably keeping him as far away from cameras as possible.
Mayhaps the stepfather is/was a negative influence on Brown, the actual father seems pretty stoic.
After she was prodded, the mother started in with this spiel about how Wilson left the house wanting to kill someone...aside from being possible slander, I think it's the preamble to a civil case/laying the groundwork.
Ben Crump looked VERY unhappy that the mother went off like that (so did Gayle and Charlie); he was cutting his eyes left and right, and looked like he wanted to cut the interview.
So the question is, did the mother go off topic, or is everybody's favorite Rev. carefully managing the message?
Aaannd, compare this to the comparative lack of outrage about the kid in Cleveland with an Airsoft gun.
newracer
11-26-2014, 09:19
Pretty dam good post by Benjamin Watson of the Cowboys on Facebook
At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:
I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.
I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.
I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.
I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.
I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.
I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.
I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.
I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.
I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.
I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.
I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.
I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope.
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 09:44
Pretty dam good post by Benjamin Watson of the Cowboys on Facebook
In before the Uncle Tom accusations by other people of color in the country.
BTW: Exactly where is Reverend Al Charlatan during his people's hour of need ? Oh that's right warm and comfortable on msnbc.
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 10:06
https://i.imgur.com/hQVml0J.jpg
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-26-2014, 10:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg
Get out of the way.
PugnacAutMortem
11-26-2014, 10:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg
Get out of the way.
I was wondering when someone was going to do that. I am a terrible person because I felt glad at first that it wasn't someone plowing through a police line but instead it was a group of protesters.
hollohas
11-26-2014, 10:24
I don't know why that car ran through the protesters (accident or otherwise) but the driver is lucky to be alive.
I don't know why that car ran through the protesters (accident or otherwise) but the driver is lucky to be alive.
It doesn't matter why. The protesters are impeding the right to freedom of movement, they deserve whatever happens to them if they're going to deny a citizen this basic right.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/armed-guards-with-ar-15s-save-north-st-louis-strip-mall-from-looters/
Saw this posted on FB. Good for them.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/armed-guards-with-ar-15s-save-north-st-louis-strip-mall-from-looters/
Saw this posted on FB. Good for them.
That is EXCELLENT, they saw a need and filled it.
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 10:51
That is EXCELLENT, they saw a need and filled it.
BUT did they have an appointment to actually get tattooed. That's the question.
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