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Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 11:01
EXPLICIT DISCLAIMER. THIS WAS GLEEPED FROM ANOTHER RAMBLING WEB SITE.
FERGUSON MO
T-was the night of the grand jury, and all through the hood. Nobody acted right, they were up to no good.
The bottles were slung at the police with great care,
Fires were set by the looters there.
The hoodlums were out, not home in their beds,
Bandanas to cover, their afros and dreads.
Street punks in jackets, tags still on their caps,
Pants hanging low, as they fire their gats.
When out on the street there arose such clatter,
Wilson was innocent but that didn't matter.
Away to the windows they threw like a flash,
A malt liquor flew in with a smash.
The moon on the breast of the new fallen snow,
The glow of the fires and tear gas below.
What to my teary eyes should appear,
A bottle thrown at me, a malt liquor beer.
A group was so lively and quick,
Screaming profanity while standing by pricks..
More rabid than wolves their course as they came.
I better haul ass cause they're freaking insane.
Now Dante - Now Tyrone- Now Tysheekie and T-Dog,
On T Rock, on Shorty fresh out of state prison.
On top of the porch on top of the wall,
Well dam shopping Friday, they just looted the mall.
I ran down the street, I didn't say a word,
The masses were charging just like a herd.
The fires and shootings this was just like a war,
Better send some cops, I think they need more.
Welcome Obamas America, United and free,
his plans working perfect can't you just see.
Black vs white, add brown and some red,
A nation divided until freedom is dead.
Sharpton and Holder have done their job well,
Divide our people now Ferguson hell.
People may die as this chaos finds all,
Mark my words there will be martial law.
Divide and conquer, it's a classic plan,
Race baiters and media the tools of the man.
They want hatred they want us to fight,
God help us all and to all a good night.
trlcavscout
11-26-2014, 11:08
I am still amazed at the ignorance most of the people show when on tv, including al sharpton. Oh whah whah we didn't get our way, my son robbed a store then attacked a cop and he got shot, but he was a good kid. How fucking stupid do you have to be to not know that would happen? Cops shoot you, your dog and taze grandpa, why would they not shoot a criminal? I'm not saying shooting the unarmed kid is right but the grand jury says it is so my opinion doesn't matter anymore then anyone else's, end of story, why burn the town down over it? Their is a good chance holder will get the cop on something, obama has already made his stance known.
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-26-2014, 11:24
Cops shoot you, your dog and taze grandpa, why would they not shoot a criminal?
This really is a huge point worth underlining. You see these stories all the time. This isn't cop-bashing, and I hope I'm nowhere near that line, but to your point, how can you expect any differently when you act anything but civil and respectful to an officer?
trlcavscout
11-26-2014, 11:29
This really is a huge point worth underlining. You see these stories all the time. This isn't cop-bashing, and I hope I'm nowhere near that line, but to your point, how can you expect any differently when you act anything but civil and respectful to an officer?
Thats how I meant it also, not bashing and not all cops. But I would expect to get shot as an unarmed civilian if I punched a cop.
GilpinGuy
11-26-2014, 11:35
Anyone post this yet? Responsi-damn-bility.
http://youtu.be/xpsQwl_19M4
I'm still not over OJ.
Perhaps if I'd have burned down a Cabelas at the time, I'd have gotten over it.
GilpinGuy
11-26-2014, 11:42
Here are some before and after pics. Sad.
Before and After (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850383/A-town-ravaged-anger-pictures-extent-damage-buildings-Ferguson.html)
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-26-2014, 11:47
Here are some before and after pics. Sad.
Before and After (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850383/A-town-ravaged-anger-pictures-extent-damage-buildings-Ferguson.html)
Ferguson: This is why you can't have nice things.
Edit: I hope the business owners were well insured and walk away from the town forever.
So basically if there is ever a riot hang by McDonald's they won't burn it
Here are some before and after pics. Sad.
Before and After (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850383/A-town-ravaged-anger-pictures-extent-damage-buildings-Ferguson.html)
That is sad.
Q: Why should rioters/looter be shot?
A: Because they destroy the lives of other people.
crashdown
11-26-2014, 11:55
Here are some before and after pics. Sad.
Before and After (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850383/A-town-ravaged-anger-pictures-extent-damage-buildings-Ferguson.html)
Everything I have heard was that Ferguson was an "all black" town and that's why the white cops were so out of place.
Just about everyone outside of their burned business or cleaning up is white, I'm not even sure there is one black person in any of the photos.
I know the grand jury makeup was proportionate to the county demographics, but again, I'm surprised there are any whites in the actual town of Ferguson based on the news coverage.
trlcavscout
11-26-2014, 11:58
They can't get gas, they can't get auto parts, they can't get a new car, and they can't get a payday loan to get to another parts store, but by god they can get Taco Bell.
So the brown's church burnt down and the pastor says it couldn't have been protestors it must have been white supremacists! Either way
trlcavscout
11-26-2014, 12:06
Everything I have heard was that Ferguson was an "all black" town and that's why the white cops were so out of place.
Just about everyone outside of their burned business or cleaning up is white, I'm not even sure there is one black person in any of the photos.
I know the grand jury makeup was proportionate to the county demographics, but again, I'm surprised there are any whites in the actual town of Ferguson based on the news coverage.
a large number of protesters were white, most wearing masks and bandanas, I have never been there but like you after listening to the media it seemed to be all black. Apparently the media was wrong haha
muddywings
11-26-2014, 12:06
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/armed-guards-with-ar-15s-save-north-st-louis-strip-mall-from-looters/
Saw this posted on FB. Good for them.
I suspect that was taken a few months ago. no way were they dressed like that this time of year with the temps being so low.
They can't get gas, they can't get auto parts, they can't get a new car, and they can't get a payday loan to get to another parts store, but by god they can get Taco Bell.
So the brown's church burnt down and the pastor says it couldn't have been protestors it must have been white supremacists! Either way
Idiots made their lives harder...good, they deserve it.
The church! AWESOME!!! /sarc
Yeah, white supremacists who look suspiciously like the thugs in the neighborhood.
KestrelBike
11-26-2014, 12:53
I suspect that was taken a few months ago. no way were they dressed like that this time of year with the temps being so low.
Yes, that group was from the original August strife
sellersm
11-26-2014, 13:05
Everything I have heard was that Ferguson was an "all black" town and that's why the white cops were so out of place.
Just about everyone outside of their burned business or cleaning up is white, I'm not even sure there is one black person in any of the photos.
I know the grand jury makeup was proportionate to the county demographics, but again, I'm surprised there are any whites in the actual town of Ferguson based on the news coverage.
If you listen to JR Moore (thelibertyman.com), who lives in MO, he says that the demographics there should have caused the grand jury to only have 1 black person on it. There are very few blacks in that area, it is mostly white... I believe that most of these black 'protestors' were imported.
Where'd that Caucasian hottie with the prissy dog come from?
Here are some before and after pics. Sad.
Before and After (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850383/A-town-ravaged-anger-pictures-extent-damage-buildings-Ferguson.html)
I heard it is 70% black.
Back in the 70's when Detroit had it's BS, all the whites moved out, blacks took over and Look at Detroit now.
Do the same there and see what becomes of Ferguson.
hollohas
11-26-2014, 13:44
I believe that most of these black 'protestors' were imported.
Perhaps. But imported could mean from another suburb a few miles down the road. Like if there were protests in Littleton and all the protesters came from Aurora.
PugnacAutMortem
11-26-2014, 14:06
Perhaps. But imported could mean from another suburb a few miles down the road. Like if there were protests in Littleton and all the protesters came from Aurora.
[ROFL1]
You would have a ton of mexican, middle eastern and russian people in the protest. I always love seeing people's view of Aurora who aren't anywhere near it.
hollohas
11-26-2014, 14:17
[ROFL1]
You would have a ton of mexican, middle eastern and russian people in the protest. I always love seeing people's view of Aurora who aren't anywhere near it.
I wasn't implying black. Just that the two suburbs have different demographics. I'm in some part of Aurora every day...just using local cities to make a comparison regarding how imported could actually be more local than the term implies.
speedysst
11-26-2014, 15:17
Ok, I'm glad Im not the only one who noticed her!
Where'd that Caucasian hottie with the prissy dog come from?
Where'd that Caucasian hottie with the prissy dog come from?
The one taking the selfie?
jerrymrc
11-26-2014, 17:35
The one taking the selfie?
A Tourist from Europe looking for the "real" Amerika. [LOL]
clublights
11-26-2014, 17:39
I get the anger .. even if misplaced..... I get the looting... even if wrong ( hey free shit! ) but why the setting fires ?
HoneyBadger
11-26-2014, 18:06
Addresses published. [Muaha]
http://rightwingnews.com/media/two-new-york-times-reporters-posted-darren-wilsons-home-address-look-see-home-addresses/#sthash.DEH5iaLD.PJSJota1.gbpl
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 18:08
I get the anger .. even if misplaced..... I get the looting... even if wrong ( hey free shit! ) but why the setting fires ?
You get the Looting?? Explain .................... Because someone doesn't agree with the verdict?
I didn't win lotto last night. Where in denver you located, so i can drive by and loot your place. HEY FREE SHIT, RIGHT ....
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 18:12
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ferguson-protests-20141126-story.html#page=1
He carried a Taurus 9mm pistol in his sweatpants and drew it out to show another customer, an older man at a pump who was brandishing a MAC-10 machine pistol
We have white tattooed folk guarding a mixed race strip mall, Blacks guarding a white business. What next The neighborhood start running people out of town or to the PD snce they're tired of the shit .
You get the Looting?? Explain .................... Because someone doesn't agree with the verdict?
I didn't win lotto last night. Where in denver you located, so i can drive by and loot your place. HEY FREE SHIT, RIGHT ....
Right? I was confused by his statement. Whats different from burning someone's stuff down and looting it?
I think arson is closer to aggravated arson than looting is to robbery, but not much.
Maybe folks think looting is a "victim-less crime"?
However just a simple understanding of how insurance works would prove otherwise.
clublights
11-26-2014, 18:37
You get the Looting?? Explain .................... Because someone doesn't agree with the verdict?
I didn't win lotto last night. Where in denver you located, so i can drive by and loot your place. HEY FREE SHIT, RIGHT ....
Right? I was confused by his statement. Whats different from burning someone's stuff down and looting it?
Because people will steal shit just to steal shit . So i get that it happens . hence the "hey free shit!" I already stated it's wrong but I get the WHY it happens . I don't understand the point of setting the fires. the point of looting is getting free shit.
Seriously chill the fuck out .
And looting my place would be a bad plan ...... just like my trying to loot your place would be a bad plan . Just sayin.
Edit: The more I've let this sit the more it has pissed me the fuck off. Why the fuck does my understanding of WHY something happens mean I condone it? I understand why and how the German people got duped into hating Jews by Hitler.. Does that mean I condone Nazism ? I understand how a thermonuclear weapon operates does not mean I condone their use ?
By the way if your too dense to get it I do NOT condone Nazism or the use of thermonuclear weapons.
Rucker61
11-26-2014, 18:40
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ferguson-protests-20141126-story.html#page=1
He carried a Taurus 9mm pistol in his sweatpants and drew it out to show another customer, an older man at a pump who was brandishing a MAC-10 machine pistol
We have white tattooed folk guarding a mixed race strip mall, Blacks guarding a white business. What next The neighborhood start running people out of town or to the PD snce they're tired of the shit .
Excellent. In other news, NPR has finally stopped saying "the grand jury's refusal to indict" and changed to "the grand jury's decision not to indict".
Because people will steal shit just to steal shit . So i get that it happens . hence the "hey free shit!" I already stated it's wrong but I get the WHY it happens . I don't understand the point of setting the fires. the point of looting is getting free shit.
Seriously chill the fuck out .
And looting my place would be a bad plan ...... just like my trying to loot your place would be a bad plan . Just sayin.
Whoa, I wasn't ripping you. I was just confused.
People like destroying things that aren't theirs when they're mad. Add in the mob mentality and you don't need much more reason. Most of us on the forum will never understand that line of thinking.
sellersm
11-26-2014, 18:55
I propose that if you ask the question "why did they do ________________?" that you've missed the entire point of this event...
clublights
11-26-2014, 18:58
Whoa, I wasn't ripping you. I was just confused.
People like destroying things that aren't theirs when they're mad. Add in the mob mentality and you don't need much more reason. Most of us on the forum will never understand that line of thinking.
I probably shouldn't have included your quote in it ... I'm more mad at Kazoo over the whole damn thing.
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 18:58
Because people will steal shit just to steal shit . So i get that it happens . hence the "hey free shit!" I already stated it's wrong but I get the WHY it happens . I don't understand the point of setting the fires. the point of looting is getting free shit.
Seriously chill the fuck out .
And looting my place would be a bad plan ...... just like my trying to loot your place would be a bad plan . Just sayin.
Edit: The more I've let this sit the more it has pissed me the fuck off. Why the fuck does my understanding of WHY something happens mean I condone it? I understand why and how the German people got duped into hating Jews by Hitler.. Does that mean I condone Nazism ? I understand how a thermonuclear weapon operates does not mean I condone their use ?
By the way if your too dense to get it I do NOT condone Nazism or the use of thermonuclear weapons.
The way you worded it, just as i do in some post appeared to show you condone looting. Nothing more, nothing less.
BUT that is something which can be discussed in a separate thread and or via pm's.
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 19:01
The way you worded it, just as i do in some post appeared to show you condone looting. Nothing more, nothing less.
BUT that is something which can be discussed in a separate thread and or via pm's.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608006827909121150&pid=15.1&P=0
clublights
11-26-2014, 19:03
The way you worded it, just as i do in some post appeared to show you condone looting. Nothing more, nothing less.
BUT that is something which can be discussed in a separate thread and or via pm's.
Fair enough.
...
Edit: The more I've let this sit the more it has pissed me the fuck off. Why the fuck does my understanding of WHY something happens mean I condone it? I understand why and how the German people got duped into hating Jews by Hitler.. Does that mean I condone Nazism ? I understand how a thermonuclear weapon operates does not mean I condone their use ?
By the way if your too dense to get it I do NOT condone Nazism or the use of thermonuclear weapons.
My understanding at the time was that you condoned looting. Now I don't since you corrected us.
52887
[Sarcasm2]
[Coffee]
I hoped I used enough smilies.
speedysst
11-26-2014, 19:12
52889
clublights
11-26-2014, 19:16
52889
EVERYONE knows the color 9 smells like waffles.
EVERYONE knows the color 9 smells like waffles.
And sex.
You'd think the thugs could at least steal a belt or 2 too hold up their pants...
clublights
11-26-2014, 19:21
And sex.
Tastes like chicken tho.
sellersm
11-26-2014, 19:22
You'd think the thugs could at least steal a belt or 2 too hold up their pants...
FTW!!
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clublights
11-26-2014, 19:23
but back to my original question ....
I Think I may have answered it myself ...
Just like people steal shit just to steal it ...
There is always that one friend in your group that has the "inner pyromaniac " in them ( if you can't think of who that friend is .. it's you)
Only takes on asshole to set all them fires or maybe 2 ...
Don't understand it .. but I get the why it happens now.
but back to my original question ....
I Think I may have answered it myself ...
Just like people steal shit just to steal it ...
There is always that one friend in your group that has the "inner pyromaniac " in them ( if you can't think of who that friend is .. it's you)
Only takes on asshole to set all them fires or maybe 2 ...
Don't understand it .. but I get the why it happens now.
I also think it has something to do with certain folks who can live off the system and not work for anything in their life (and happy to do so). Then they see stuff they don't have and they want it, they think they are entitled to the same shit. Add in chaos, lawlessness, tribalism and the herd mentality.
So they're angry with the cops & the judicial system and yet the police state and courthouse are both completely untouched. How stupid do they think us all?
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-26-2014, 19:50
but back to my original question ....
I Think I may have answered it myself ...
Just like people steal shit just to steal it ...
There is always that one friend in your group that has the "inner pyromaniac " in them ( if you can't think of who that friend is .. it's you)
Only takes on asshole to set all them fires or maybe 2 ...
Don't understand it .. but I get the why it happens now.
Not touching the condoning part, but I was surprised by your post that you could comprehend the looting but not the arson. They want to destroy, pure and simple.
It is no different than punching a locker in HS or throwing an inanimate object in that it doesn't make sense, but that is the point of senseless destruction. If you want to destroy a lot and fast, fire is a pretty easy and efficient way, and these folks are lazy if nothing else.
They want to block the roads, disrupt anyone who isn't angry as well, and generally make as much trouble as possible for the policy and "the system."
Pretty sure that is it.
sellersm
11-26-2014, 20:01
Anarchy & chaos. Sound familiar?
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2 FBI agents, police officer shot in Mo.; suspect dead
ST. LOUIS COUNTY, Mo. — Police said Wednesdaya man suspected of killing his mother (http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/11/26/major-washington-dead-fbi-shooting/19550557/) and shooting three law enforcement officers is dead.
Major Washington, 33, had been tentatively identified by University City police as the suspect who shot and killed his mother and wounded a University City officer Monday night, and wounded two FBI special agents Wednesday morning.
University City Police Detective Sgt. Fredrick Lemons II said Washington died early Wednesday after police responded to a home where he was hiding. Lemons did not say how Washington died.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9065941e142eb769bb76794c742e08d1e14ee558/r=300/http/www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9065941e142eb769bb76794c742e08d1e14ee558/r=300/http/www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/fc36b390905565ee07c66f8482df6c1a339e1125/c=84-154-2380-2450/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/11/25/635525318985525824-112514major-washington.jpg
USA TODAYWoman killed, officer shot 5 miles south of Ferguson
(http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/25/officer-shot-near-ferguson/70079134/)
On Monday, Lemons said officers responded to a home for a report of a man climbing through a bedroom window and opening fire.
Washington's mother, identified as 55-year-old Donna Washington, was found with a gunshot wound to her leg, Lemons said. She was taken to a hospital where she later died.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e54abff504c4f7c336810890b8c76c4bbb4dc7db/c=313-111-2067-2450&r=183&c=0-0-180-238/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/11/25/635525318985525824-112514major-washington.jpgMajor Washington, a suspect in his mother's death(Photo: University City Police Department)
As three officers approached the home, one was shot in the chest. The officer, Zachary Hoelzer, is in serious but stable condition. Washington fled after shooting Hoelzer.
On Tuesday evening, University City police received a tip that Washington may be hiding at a home in unincorporated St. Louis County.
When officers arrived at the home, they learned Washington was armed and had barricaded himself inside. The officers called in FBI agents and the St. Louis County Tactical Unit for backup.
Rebecca Wu, an FBI spokeswoman (http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/11/26/two-fbi-agents-shot-in-north-county/19517083/), said two special agents were shot around 2:53 a.m. She says one agent was shot in the shoulder, and the other in the leg. Their injuries are considered non-life threatening.
trlcavscout
11-26-2014, 20:15
2 FBI agents, police officer shot in Mo.; suspect dead
ST. LOUIS COUNTY, Mo. — Police said Wednesdaya man suspected of killing his mother (http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/11/26/major-washington-dead-fbi-shooting/19550557/) and shooting three law enforcement officers is dead.
Major Washington, 33, had been tentatively identified by University City police as the suspect who shot and killed his mother and wounded a University City officer Monday night, and wounded two FBI special agents Wednesday morning.
University City Police Detective Sgt. Fredrick Lemons II said Washington died early Wednesday after police responded to a home where he was hiding. Lemons did not say how Washington died.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9065941e142eb769bb76794c742e08d1e14ee558/r=300/http/www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9065941e142eb769bb76794c742e08d1e14ee558/r=300/http/www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/fc36b390905565ee07c66f8482df6c1a339e1125/c=84-154-2380-2450/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/11/25/635525318985525824-112514major-washington.jpg
USA TODAYWoman killed, officer shot 5 miles south of Ferguson
(http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/25/officer-shot-near-ferguson/70079134/)
On Monday, Lemons said officers responded to a home for a report of a man climbing through a bedroom window and opening fire.
Washington's mother, identified as 55-year-old Donna Washington, was found with a gunshot wound to her leg, Lemons said. She was taken to a hospital where she later died.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e54abff504c4f7c336810890b8c76c4bbb4dc7db/c=313-111-2067-2450&r=183&c=0-0-180-238/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/11/25/635525318985525824-112514major-washington.jpgMajor Washington, a suspect in his mother's death(Photo: University City Police Department)
As three officers approached the home, one was shot in the chest. The officer, Zachary Hoelzer, is in serious but stable condition. Washington fled after shooting Hoelzer.
On Tuesday evening, University City police received a tip that Washington may be hiding at a home in unincorporated St. Louis County.
When officers arrived at the home, they learned Washington was armed and had barricaded himself inside. The officers called in FBI agents and the St. Louis County Tactical Unit for backup.
Rebecca Wu, an FBI spokeswoman (http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/11/26/two-fbi-agents-shot-in-north-county/19517083/), said two special agents were shot around 2:53 a.m. She says one agent was shot in the shoulder, and the other in the leg. Their injuries are considered non-life threatening.
Oh oh shot here we go again! Murdering cops!!! This poor man did not deserve to get murdered like that :)
Great-Kazoo
11-26-2014, 20:51
Oh oh shot here we go again! Murdering cops!!! This poor man did not deserve to get murdered like that :)
2 feds and one local yokel. That means what 3 more reasons to slash & burn ? Everyone knows they didn't need 3 cops to brutally gun down this innocent man. Hell he was thoughtful enough to at least visit mom before the holidaze. Such a loving son.
Like the movie or not, this is a good scene and it's relevant to Ferguson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEtN0-vF90
wctriumph
11-26-2014, 21:48
I guess we all need someone to be angry at. Right? Black, white, brown, Jew, Muslim, Christian, democrat, republican. Pick one, or two, any of them, it doesn't matter. Be angry at them for whatever reason you choose. Just don't kill them, or burn them out, or steal their life.
I get angry at people that seek to gain advantage over others through dishonest means or that seek to harm my family for their own obscene profit. I try to fight back with the truth. Doesn't always work because as my father told me, "people are no damned good". No one and nothing is perfect, something we all have to live with.
Bailey Guns
11-27-2014, 08:35
Doesn't always work because as my father told me, "people are no damned good".
That's why I love my dogs so much...
http://www.khq.com/story/27489010/nfl-player-benjamin-watsons-ferguson-post-on-facebook-goes-viral (http://www.khq.com/story/27489010/nfl-player-benjamin-watsons-ferguson-post-on-facebook-goes-viral)
Good read
^- Pretty cool, and surprisingly well written you'd think for a football player.
Well some actually studied when they went to school.
Pretty dam good post by Benjamin Watson of the Cowboys on Facebook
Everything except his comment about how we'll never know the truth about what happened... Evidence, investigation, witness testimony, all of these things are in seeking the truth, and without actual video or being there, I think we got pretty damn close to finding out what really happened that day. Close enough for a grand jury to decide not to indict.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608006827909121150&pid=15.1&P=0
That about sums it up right there!
Like the movie or not, this is a good scene and it's relevant to Ferguson.
I haven't seen that movie in a while, but this is exactly what I was thinking on Monday after the riots started! [Beer]
RblDiver
11-27-2014, 10:24
EBT cards now funding terrorism?
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/alleged-plot-included-bombing-gateway-arch-killing-st-louis-county/article_69ddd938-e763-55c1-9c1c-3306725f941e.html
"The men wanted to acquire two more bombs, the sources said, but could not afford to do it until one suspect’s girlfriend’s Electronic Benefit Transfer card was replenished."
Just surprised nobody is attacking the Macy's day parade
Great-Kazoo
11-27-2014, 11:04
Just surprised nobody is attacking the Macy's day parade
only applies to Columbus day. Everything else is For the Children
kidicarus13
11-27-2014, 19:21
I'm like...
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-27-2014, 23:18
Pretty much.
tim-adams
11-28-2014, 03:37
look the morons burned down their shopping... *sigh*
Chad4000
11-28-2014, 09:29
Like the movie or not, this is a good scene and it's relevant to Ferguson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEtN0-vF90
Love that movie. . And good post
Chad4000
11-28-2014, 09:30
Just surprised nobody is attacking the Macy's day parade
I read that there were several arrests at the parade
Great-Kazoo
11-28-2014, 09:35
I read that there were several arrests at the parade
before it got off the ground. Which is surprising considering the conservative views or Hiz Honor DiBlasio [LOL]
Chad4000
11-28-2014, 11:47
before it got off the ground. Which is surprising considering the conservative views or Hiz Honor DiBlasio
lol totally
tim-adams
11-28-2014, 12:07
I'm like...
I feel ya, I was eating pre turkey day pie..
ZERO THEORY
11-28-2014, 12:23
Like the movie or not, this is a good scene and it's relevant to Ferguson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEtN0-vF90
Yes, brilliant. When a criminal like Rodney King commits a crime, it's because he's a monkey and it's to be expected. By all means, an individual's lack of character should be categorized as the assumed standard if there are enough other individuals who are also criminals sharing skin color with him. It's not racist, look at the numbers! Damn monkeys.
Of course, because the numbers are not reflected the other way, there's no reason to racially categorize white people. And if you used a racial epithet for one who committed a crime, you'd be pushing it too far. How dare you.
This kind of non-sensical dreck is exactly why the Thomas Sowells and Ben Carsons are a rarity. It's hard to feel allegiance with people who are economically, Constitutionally, and politically like-minded when to them you're by default an absent minded monkey. As long as you adhere to some arbitrary standard, you're "one of the good ones". But the minute you make one slip-up, you'd better believe it's not because it's human to err, it's because you're pre-disposed by some magical African gene to do so.
It saddens me to see Black Americans resort to this kind of criminality, especially when people like my father who fled South African apartheid and Congolese civil war to make a life for himself faced far more social injustice than any smart phone carrying "poor" Ferguson resident. But man alive. I will just never understand resorting to that kind of categorical response. The middle east is a hell hole. The region is full of backstabbers and liars who will smile in your face, then run up in the hills and fire an RPG at you. But it's a regional issue. If an ethnically Persian American shoots up the mall tomorrow, I know better than to blame it in some inherent Arab "need" to commit violence.
PugnacAutMortem
11-29-2014, 01:04
Like the movie or not, this is a good scene and it's relevant to Ferguson.
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I really hate some of you guys' opinions sometimes...
How does picking out a racially charged dialogue...in a movie made to show how stupid this line of thinking is no less..help you get your point across? Or are you just having an outward showing of racism and using this as your way of easing into the conversation, hoping that you will find some like-minded individuals among us here?
[facepalm]
I really hate some of you guys' opinions sometimes...
How does picking out a racially charged dialogue...in a movie made to show how stupid this line of thinking is no less..help you get your point across? Or are you just having an outward showing of racism and using this as your way of easing into the conversation, hoping that you will find some like-minded individuals among us here?
Might just be me but both sides got called out in that clip. It was more about picking a middle ground then picking a side but i could just be naive.
KestrelBike
11-29-2014, 05:51
Yes, brilliant. When a criminal like Rodney King commits a crime, it's because he's a monkey and it's to be expected. By all means, an individual's lack of character should be categorized as the assumed standard if there are enough other individuals who are also criminals sharing skin color with him. It's not racist, look at the numbers! Damn monkeys.
Of course, because the numbers are not reflected the other way, there's no reason to racially categorize white people. And if you used a racial epithet for one who committed a crime, you'd be pushing it too far. How dare you.
This kind of non-sensical dreck is exactly why the Thomas Sowells and Ben Carsons are a rarity. It's hard to feel allegiance with people who are economically, Constitutionally, and politically like-minded when to them you're by default an absent minded monkey. As long as you adhere to some arbitrary standard, you're "one of the good ones". But the minute you make one slip-up, you'd better believe it's not because it's human to err, it's because you're pre-disposed by some magical African gene to do so.
It saddens me to see Black Americans resort to this kind of criminality, especially when people like my father who fled South African apartheid and Congolese civil war to make a life for himself faced far more social injustice than any smart phone carrying "poor" Ferguson resident. But man alive. I will just never understand resorting to that kind of categorical response. The middle east is a hell hole. The region is full of backstabbers and liars who will smile in your face, then run up in the hills and fire an RPG at you. But it's a regional issue. If an ethnically Persian American shoots up the mall tomorrow, I know better than to blame it in some inherent Arab "need" to commit violence.
Awesome. Thanks for taking the time to write this! Oh damn, can't imagine one of the false-testifiers lasting a week in the Congo/Joburg, or hell, any African nation. Also the Sowells and Carsons are under extreme scrutiny by the Left, because they've broken free from the ideology enforced on the democrat-vote-in-pocket minority communities: Born into victimhood, live under victimhood, vote out of victimhood, but don't work hard or demand an actual education and try to escape this victimhood! Wear it and be proud!
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I really hate some of you guys' opinions sometimes...
How does picking out a racially charged dialogue...in a movie made to show how stupid this line of thinking is no less..help you get your point across? Or are you just having an outward showing of racism and using this as your way of easing into the conversation, hoping that you will find some like-minded individuals among us here?
I guess you can't actually see what he's really saying... For a part of the dialog, Ed Norton's character, regardless of his character's racism, does make a few good points. He points out how people get hung up on the wrong aspect of the case, how they lash out irrationally, and how they destroy their own neighborhood... EXACTLY what we're seeing in Ferguson right now. Lately you've been getting a little hot under the collar more frequently... Everything okay?
I guess you can't actually see what he's really saying... For a part of the dialog, Ed Norton's character, regardless of his character's racism, does make a few good points. He points out how people get hung up on the wrong aspect of the case, how they lash out irrationally, and how they destroy their own neighborhood... EXACTLY what we're seeing in Ferguson right now. Lately you've been getting a little hot under the collar more frequently... Everything okay?
I don't think he needs you, Ronin, to point out wht he's thinking. That clip is totally taken out of context from a movie that conveys a much larger message. People irrationally lash out and riot every time there's a Super Bowl win, NHL championshion Halloween ( CU Boulder ) or pumpkin fest in New Hampshire. They are also destroying their own neighborhood yet race isn't an outlying factor so it's far less news worthy. Hoodlums and vandals will appear anytime a large group assembles to protest in order to prey on the lack/strength of police presence. That clip is a a small exerpt from a movie thats trying to convey a much bigger message.
HoneyBadger
11-29-2014, 09:42
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mysterious-oath-keepers-guard-rooftops-in-downtown-ferguson/article_f90b6edd-acf8-52e3-a020-3a78db286194.html#.VHmFW7UwQ2E.facebook
FERGUSON • Following a night of arson fires and bashed storefronts that hit close to home, Greg Hildebrand stood naked Tuesday, drying off from a needed shower, when he noticed somebody on the rooftop.“I opened the window and said, ‘Hey, can I help you?’” said Hildebrand, 35, a website developer.
The man said he was security and would be up there at night with others to protect the pocket of second-story apartments and lower-level storefronts near the Ferguson Police Department. A day earlier, rioters had broken out windows below Hildebrand’s apartment in the 100 block of South Florissant Road and torched a nearby beauty supply store.
“I am in the middle of a difficult spot,” Hildebrand said. “I feel a lot better having those guys up on the roof.”
But he wasn’t clear exactly who “those guys” were or where they came from.
Puzzled and alarmed protesters have wondered, too — some accusing the mysterious guards in military fatigues of being in the Ku Klux Klan.
In fact, they are volunteers affiliated with a 35,000-member national organization called Oath Keepers. Yale Law School graduate and libertarian Stewart Rhodes said by telephone from Montana that he founded the group in 2009 to protect constitutional rights, including those of protesters confronted by what he described as overly militarized police.
But Rhodes, who said he is Mexican-American, was quick to assure that Oath Keepers is not anti-government. He said those pulling rooftop security in Ferguson are current or former government employees and first responders, many who have intense military, police and EMS training.
“We thought they were going to do it right this time,” Rhodes said of government response to the grand jury decision released Monday night in the Darren Wilson case. “But when Monday rolled around and they didn’t park the National Guard at these businesses, that’s when we said we have got to do something.
“Historically, the government almost always fails to protect people,” he added.
Justine Sharrock, reporting for Mother Jones magazine in 2010, wrote in an in-depth (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers?page=1) story about how the group is hard to pin down: “In the months I’ve spent getting to know the Oath Keepers, I’ve toggled between viewing them either as potentially dangerous conspiracy theorists or as crafty intellectuals with the savvy to rally politicians to their side. The answer, I came to realize, is that they cover the whole spectrum.”
In recent days, Oath Keepers put out a national request to members to help in Ferguson. Volunteers showed up from Nebraska, Texas and Indiana. On Thursday, one volunteer had an “infidel” patch on his Kevlar vest and would say only that he came from “the north.”
They won’t say how many people are part of the effort or exactly where they are placed. But they seem to be mainly focused on a strip of South Florissant Road two blocks north of the police station that includes a Chinese restaurant, dentist office, bakery and the apartments.
“We were sick in our gut we couldn’t be here sooner,” said John Karriman of Joplin, Mo., a state leader of Oath Keepers who teaches police tactics. “We are here to volunteer our time and make sure everybody stays safe.”
Another leader, who would only give his first name, Sam, described himself as a weapons engineer from the St. Louis area who has done security contracting for the U.S. government. He said he was motivated to help after seeing a CNN story featuring extensive damage to Natalie’s Cake’s & More, (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/donations-roll-in-for-ferguson-bake-shop/article_afd76d1f-7d35-5d97-86bd-21d515277bfe.html)which also helped generate thousands of dollars in donations for the small business.
Sam said he contacted owner Natalie Dubose and told her he was going to secure her store and others.
“She started crying,” Sam said.
Oath Keepers boarded up a bunch of the storefronts and started night rotations on several rooftops. Sam said he vetted volunteers to ensure there weren’t any “racists” or “people with an ax to grind.” He said he picked volunteers who “have seen the elephant and are calm under fire.”
Fearing more arsonists, Oath Keeper volunteers have buckets of water, fire extinguishers and other nonlethal weapons on the rooftops. Some are also armed with rifles that aren’t available at Walmart and Cabela’s.
The volunteers are well aware of the grave risk to life that arson can play and the legal right to stop it from happening.
Police are aware of their presence and have questioned some of the group’s volunteers. But police haven’t ordered the Oath Keepers to leave.
In operation since Tuesday, group volunteers say they are confident they have helped protect property and lives since they arrived. The group said they are willing to stay as long as it takes.
Their only requirement to help is rooftop access.
Victor Clark, a dentist at Ferguson Dental on South Florissant Road, said he was happy to have their free assistance. He wants to reopen soon. On Monday, rioters shattered the front door and window, stole dental needles and anesthetic.
Then Oath Keepers showed up out of the blue. “We gave them our keys,” he said. “We didn’t know that much about them, but we got a feeling of trust. You have to do something to protect our building.”
Not or sure you understand that clip. That clip isn't meant to show how stupid nortons character is. In fact, the opposite. It's showing how he's a pretty smart guy that makes some good points and DOES think critically about the situation, which sets up the transformation that happens later. It's showing that unlike his friends he isn't 100 percent blind racist, he isn't saying blacks are somehow predisposed to crime or that it's some evolutionary reason, he thinks that kind of excuse making is a major reason why their crime rate is so high. Do I agree with it completely? Of course not. And that's partly the point of that scene, to show that both views are partly correct and partly incorrect. But that is one of the few clips of that movie that is meant to show there is some logic behind his view of that situation versus blind racism.
You shouldn't be so quick to judge it makes you looks silly. Although that's a fairly deep scene I think it was pretty elementary to understand it's intent.
[facepalm]
I really hate some of you guys' opinions sometimes...
How does picking out a racially charged dialogue...in a movie made to show how stupid this line of thinking is no less..help you get your point across? Or are you just having an outward showing of racism and using this as your way of easing into the conversation, hoping that you will find some like-minded individuals among us here?
Please explain, anybody, why if you call out these individuals/group of people/community/neighborhood, you are all of a sudden a racist. That, in my mind is reverse racism. Last I checked, we've seen Facebook posts, articles, interviews etc from people of all races/color/religion that don't condone what is happening in ferguson, yet, once again, whites are racist.
The democrats tell the black community they are oppressed, need help, have social injustices. They tell the Mexicans they are oppressed, should enjoy everything we have to offer even if they did enter illegally. The more people get told these things, the more they start to believe it. The real enemy to these groups isn't the people they are told don't like them, it is in fact the very same people who tell them they are oppressed and offer promises for votes.
Please explain, anybody, why if you call out these individuals/group of people/community/neighborhood, you are all of a sudden a racist. That, in my mind is reverse racism. Last I checked, we've seen Facebook posts, articles, interviews etc from people of all races/color/religion that don't condone what is happening in ferguson, yet, once again, whites are racist.
The democrats tell the black community they are oppressed, need help, have social injustices. They tell the Mexicans they are oppressed, should enjoy everything we have to offer even if they did enter illegally. The more people get told these things, the more they start to believe it. The real enemy to these groups isn't the people they are told don't like them, it is in fact the very same people who tell them they are oppressed and offer promises for votes.
Lots of good points. Though I've all but stopped using the "reverse" part of "reverse racism" It actually softens the term. The point about the real enemy is as old as time. The rulers love the people to be at odds with each other. That way they never figure out who they should really be fighting, usually the rulers.
KestrelBike
11-29-2014, 11:22
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mysterious-oath-keepers-guard-rooftops-in-downtown-ferguson/article_f90b6edd-acf8-52e3-a020-3a78db286194.html#.VHmFW7UwQ2E.facebook FERGUSON • Following a night of arson fires and bashed storefronts that hit close to home, Greg Hildebrand stood naked Tuesday, drying off from a needed shower, when he noticed somebody on the rooftop.“I opened the window and said, ‘Hey, can I help you?’” said Hildebrand, 35, a website developer.
Awesome. Bet I won't see this kind of reporting anywhere else. StlToday clearly isn't on the same page of the narrative as the rest of the MSM.
speedysst
11-29-2014, 11:39
Ive been thinking that it would be nice to have a leader who, instead of telling their constituents how they are mistreated and how they are owed something, they reach out with a positive message to the tune of if you want change, start in your own back yard. Start the change in your own neighborhood. Get involved in city government and maybe run for city council. Go to city council meetings on a regular basis instead of just showing up when something bad happens.
Please explain, anybody, why if you call out these individuals/group of people/community/neighborhood, you are all of a sudden a racist. That, in my mind is reverse racism. Last I checked, we've seen Facebook posts, articles, interviews etc from people of all races/color/religion that don't condone what is happening in ferguson, yet, once again, whites are racist.
The democrats tell the black community they are oppressed, need help, have social injustices. They tell the Mexicans they are oppressed, should enjoy everything we have to offer even if they did enter illegally. The more people get told these things, the more they start to believe it. The real enemy to these groups isn't the people they are told don't like them, it is in fact the very same people who tell them they are oppressed and offer promises for votes.
Good read:
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/209189-4-take-personal-responsi-damnbility-one-mans-straight-talk-black-community-goes-viral/
KestrelBike
11-29-2014, 11:56
Ive been thinking that it would be nice to have a leader who, instead of telling their constituents how they are mistreated and how they are owed something, they reach out with a positive message to the tune of if you want change, start in your own back yard. Start the change in your own neighborhood. Get involved in city government and maybe run for city council. Go to city council meetings on a regular basis instead of just showing up when something bad happens.
Gee, sounds like a job for a former community organizer. </vomit>
kidicarus13
11-29-2014, 12:09
Good read:
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/209189-4-take-personal-responsi-damnbility-one-mans-straight-talk-black-community-goes-viral/
A great message of common sense. Embrace it.
speedysst
11-29-2014, 12:47
Not really. Im looking for someone with leadership skills that are BETTER than a hamster's.
Gee, sounds like a job for a former community organizer. </vomit>
Ive been thinking that it would be nice to have a leader who, instead of telling their constituents how they are mistreated and how they are owed something, they reach out with a positive message to the tune of if you want change, start in your own back yard. Start the change in your own neighborhood. Get involved in city government and maybe run for city council. Go to city council meetings on a regular basis instead of just showing up when something bad happens.
Do you mean someone like this?
http://youtu.be/Jm6mX2gX8mo
So I was checking different insurance policies, and while riot and civil commotion are often exclusions, they are not always excluded. I hope those affected businesses have good insurance.
Great-Kazoo
11-29-2014, 19:24
So I was checking different insurance policies, and while riot and civil commotion are often exclusions, they are not always excluded. I hope those affected businesses have good insurance.
Well Armed is a good start, for any ins coverage.
Bailey Guns
11-29-2014, 21:27
Good read:
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/209189-4-take-personal-responsi-damnbility-one-mans-straight-talk-black-community-goes-viral/
Great video.
Wilson has resigned:
http://kdvr.com/2014/11/29/officer-wilson-resigns-in-aftermath-of-ferguson-shooting/
Anybody that thinks Wilson got off easy is an idiot. He'll have to relocate, possibly away from family, and will have to change careers. He has to live with this incident the rest of his life.
It's really sad to see a conscientious officer's life impacted so negatively by the actions of some idiot living the "thug life".
Sent from my electronic leash.
Big John
11-30-2014, 10:06
Anybody that thinks Wilson got off easy is an idiot. He'll have to relocate, possibly away from family, and will have to change careers. He has to live with this incident the rest of his life.
Sent from my electronic leash.
Wilson’s lawyer, Neil Bruntrager, said Wilson had been in hiding since days after the shooting, when he received a phone call while mowing the grass at his house.
“He had to leave the grass literally halfway mowed and he had to go into hiding because there are death threats against him, there are bounties on his head,” he said.
Great-Kazoo
11-30-2014, 10:40
HEAL BROTHER, HEAL
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/29/farrakhan-on-ferguson-well-tear-this-gdamn-country-up-video/
Fortunately for America he isn't a mentor to the White House like Al Charlatan
It's sad but not surprising our nations leader aligns himself with such respected people to make sure race relations move forward in the country. ;(
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/25/al-sharpton-talking-to-the-white-house-about-new-attorney-general-pick/
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/08/al-sharpton-white-house-ferguson-liaison-194359.html
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/24/white-house-plays-dumb-over-advisor-al-sharptons-4-million-in-unpaid-taxes-n1923307
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-30-2014, 10:41
If I were him, I'd find some very small town in Montana, Wyoming, or Alaska.
And my wife would never forgive me for it, and he may not like that sort of thing. And then what do you do for a career?
It truly is sad.
osok-308
11-30-2014, 11:00
If I were him, I'd find some very small town in Montana, Wyoming, or Alaska.
And my wife would never forgive me for it, and he may not like that sort of thing. And then what do you do for a career?
It truly is sad.
Yeah, it's a hard decision to have to make. Especially given the circumstances that he was found to have acted within both the law as well as his department's policy.
Richard K
11-30-2014, 14:11
I've no doubt that a civil suit will follow and maybe a federal civil rights violation filing and I agree that his life will be a nightmare from here on.
I've no doubt that a civil suit will follow and maybe a federal civil rights violation filing and I agree that his life will be a nightmare from here on.
Yup, this is not far from what someone would probably face for a justified self-defense shooting that a lawful CCW licensee would face.
hurley842002
11-30-2014, 14:25
Yup, this is not far from what someone would probably face for a justified self-defense shooting that a lawful CCW licensee would face.
Depends on the person being shot....
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/11/29/black-residents-assault-rifles-stand-guard-outside-white-owned-business-during-ferguson
Thought this would have been nice to see on other news sites.
tim-adams
11-30-2014, 15:59
yeah I would hope he moves to another state, and gets a new job to start over.
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2495742/table-finalfinalup4.0.png
HoneyBadger
11-30-2014, 17:17
Interesting on the "hands up" column.
Big John
11-30-2014, 17:49
Yup, this is not far from what someone would probably face for a justified self-defense shooting that a lawful CCW licensee would face.Except for the part where our horribly corrupt AG get's involved with his civil rights garbage.
Interesting where those questioned multiple times had different answers.
Interesting where those questioned multiple times had different answers.
But not surprising.
For all the posts on media sites that are blasting the way the St Louis County prosecutor's office handled the Grand Jury in this case, I think people should ask themselves this question: Do you believe that a jury could be empaneled, hear all of the various testimony and evidence, and then arrive at a unanimous verdict? If the answer is "NO" then the Grand Jury saved the taxpayers the time and money to have a trial. It is my opinion that if the GJ had come back with a true bill, the trial would have lasted at least a year. The issues would be even muddier, not clearer than they are today, and many of the same people would have rioted and looted and reacted on-line in the same way they have over the past week.
Do we have enough body cameras installed everywhere yet? Big Brother needs even more surveillance and We the People will be more than happy to pay for and wear those devices.
Be safe.
ZERO THEORY
12-01-2014, 06:35
Anybody that thinks Wilson got off easy is an idiot. He'll have to relocate, possibly away from family, and will have to change careers. He has to live with this incident the rest of his life.
It's really sad to see a conscientious officer's life impacted so negatively by the actions of some idiot living the "thug life".
Sent from my electronic leash.
You ever read about the Zimmermans' lives nowadays living off the grid? They're not even able to get together with family for fear of being tracked down. Took the reporter months just to get a sit down with them.
Big John
12-01-2014, 17:18
Hannity is going to do a "Ferguson's most wanted" as part of his show tonight. I guess he's compiled pictures from video's of those committing crimes during the rioting in hope of putting pressure on the powers that be to prosecute them.
He's also calling for the arrest's of those who outright lied to the cops and the GJ thus committing perjury. As well as the step father of the deceased for inciting a riot screaming "burn this bitch down". Which we all know they happily did.
Don't get me wrong, I know what Hannity says and does probably won't amount to a hill of shit. But it sure would be nice to see these kinds of things gain traction and send a message that all of the above activity will NOT be tolerated.
Meanwhile... Al "the illiterate" Sharpton is on his 82nd visit to our nation's capital to advise our POTUS on how to drum up civil rights charges against Darren Wilson.
The undocumented shoppers have protected status. They can do whatever they damn well please with no accountability or consequences. It's not their fault. Get that into your head.
Big John
12-02-2014, 06:13
I just don't understand why people just don't get the fact that this is based on a LIE. Meanwhile, the perpetrator of said lie, walks free. Said perp. has been caught on video as an accomplice to a strong arm robbery and nothing.
http://daylifeimages.newscred.com/imageserve/424c53e901afc3216e381a63ae6d8fff/660x495.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000
Bailey Guns
12-02-2014, 06:23
Reinforces my not-so-good opinion of many "professional" athletes.
Interesting where those questioned multiple times had different answers.
Well you know what they say, it's harder to keep the lie straight...
Reinforces my not-so-good opinion of many "professional" athletes.
Agreed... They're there to play a game and entertain us, not protest. They should be fined and/or suspended for that BS.
Great-Kazoo
12-02-2014, 08:51
Well you know what they say, it's harder to keep the lie straight...
Agreed... They're there to play a game and entertain us, not protest. They should be fined and/or suspended for that BS.
Like Tim Tebow was for going down on one knee & Praying? That type of fine, OR IS there different 1st amendment freedom of expressions in the NFL.
Don't forget an aide resigned after her comments about O's kids. That first amendment like the 2nd sure is a pick and choose, when it comes to D's & Progressives.
Wait a minute, when did the Cardinals leave St Louis and the Rams move there?
Professional athletes are as likely to influence my opinions as professional musicians or professional Thesbians.
Hände hoch, nicht schießen! (http://www.stern.de/panorama/getoeteter-schwarzer-teenager-michael-brown-haende-hoch-nicht-schiessen-2131078.html)
Worked pretty well during WWII [Coffee]
muddywings
12-02-2014, 09:14
Sir Charles calls it like he sees it:
http://youtu.be/r7ayUYvTrVg
Also, if you google Charles Barkley and Micheal Brown the only hits that show up are from:
Foxnews
CNSNews
TheBlaze
Christanpost
CSMonitor
nothing from: CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC etc etc
Doesn't fit the narrative...
Aloha_Shooter
12-02-2014, 10:10
From what I've seen, Barkley is actually fairly conservative. He believes in rewarding hard work, he doesn't like the nanny state, etc. 30 years ago, we'd have caled him a moderate but today that vein of thinking is deemed hard-line conservative ... [Bang]
From what I've seen, Barkley is actually fairly conservative. He believes in rewarding hard work, he doesn't like the nanny state, etc. 30 years ago, we'd have caled him a moderate but today that vein of thinking is deemed hard-line conservative ... [Bang]
For a perspective of how far left we've traveled, JFK probably would have been considered a Republican in today's political environment. He believed in such absurd ideas as reducing taxes to stimulate the economy.
There used to be conservatives in the Democrat party. They've been shoved out by the leftist agenda.
RblDiver
12-02-2014, 10:47
There used to be conservatives in the Democrat party. They've been shoved out by the leftist agenda.
There used to be conservatives in the Republican party. They've been shoved out by the elitist ruling class (or at least said rulers are trying their damndest to finish the job :P)
From the article:
Americans have not only the right to protect themselves from violent criminals, they have the right to protect others.
Some of us might even believe that we have a moral obligation to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
http://bearingarms.com/cooke-defense-antigovernment-militias/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate
St. Louis police, meanwhile, insisted that they are bound “to investigate” any outfit that seeks to protect the public.
I loved this statement. We should send a list of all the outfits that seek to protect the public and send that to the St Louis police department to see how long it takes them to investigate. They can start with the St Louis police department. No one should ever try to interfere with a government agency and their monopoly of power [Sarcasm2] After all, the fire department would be offended if random citizens began putting out fires. If random citizens began offering first aid, wouldn't the EMTs and paramedics become outraged? What if average citizens failed to commit any crimes? Would the police department disband? Would the District Attorney's Office cease to exist?
If I felt like I couldn't leave my home or business due to realistic fear of destruction, what law would I be breaking to invite a few well intentioned friends to bring some sleeping bags, some s'mores and a few firearms to come camp out with me at my home or residence. My property...shouldn't I be free to invite anyone I choose to visit with me?
I believe Oath Keepers are still in Ferguson. I doubt they will leave any faster than they did when they were visiting the Bundy Ranch.
Be safe.
sellersm
12-02-2014, 21:00
Here's an article with the various YouTube vids showing the Oathkeepers' situation in Ferguson. Please don't dis the website it's hosted on, I didn't want to link all the YouTubes in this thread, this one article is a simpler way to do it (imnsho). Not to mention most of you here have respect for the author of the article!
http://beforeitsnews.com/police-state/2014/12/oathkeepers-surrounded-by-50-ferguson-police-officers-stop-defending-these-buildings-video-424.html
Anyone else think of this scene from End of Watch every time you see/hear that stupid "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" bullshit? If you're on Facebook, and see that BS being spread around, you should respond to it with this video.
LANGUAGE
IVdy6NQPlRc
Big John
12-03-2014, 05:58
Sir Charles calls it like he sees it:
http://youtu.be/r7ayUYvTrVg
Also, if you google Charles Barkley and Micheal Brown the only hits that show up are from:
Foxnews
CNSNews
TheBlaze
Christanpost
CSMonitor
nothing from: CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC etc etc
Doesn't fit the narrative...Barkley nailed it and did a fine job, IMO.
As for the douche bag interviewing him... He tried his ass off to derail Barkley (several times) and send him down the cop hating road. Thankfully, Barkley didn't play into it.
Smash and grab has nothing to due with mistrust. As a matter of fact, they "trust" that they have the numbers to bully everyone including the police.
The dicktator's plan is working perfectly. Divide and conquer.[Evil]
Barkley nailed it and did a fine job, IMO.
As for the douche bag interviewing him... He tried his ass off to derail Barkley (several times) and send him down the cop hating road. Thankfully, Barkley didn't play into it.
Smash and grab has nothing to due with mistrust. As a matter of fact, they "trust" that they have the numbers to bully everyone including the police.
The dicktator's plan is working perfectly. Divide and conquer.[Evil]
Nah, we do a pretty good job of dividing on our own here without any help new guy. Unless your a flat out idiot, someone shouldn't be able to separate yor from your core values president or not. Do you want to know who the media caters to? Watch the commercials on every network duriing a broadcast, it almost the exact same demographic. Media is driven by money which in turn is driven by advertisers dollars. It's really not that complicated. The only thing that any of these networks are concerned with is $$$$ brought about by viewer percentage.
ANADRILL
12-03-2014, 11:37
If Mike Brown's parents would have put a belt on his ass at a young age, then this shit wouldn't have happened...
BlasterBob
12-03-2014, 12:09
If Mike Brown's parents would have put a belt on his ass at a young age, then this shit wouldn't have happened...
C O R R E C T.[blaster][Score]
When we were going to get a switch across the ass, we had to go out and get a tree branch to have our own butts whipped. Too many candy ass liberals around now, running our Country.
sellersm
12-03-2014, 12:13
Another small update on Oathkeepers (see link below). From what I've heard, the local police have welcomed the Oathkeepers folks and are getting along. It's the "gubment morons" that are forcing the issues to divide and get rid of the Oathkeepers. If I were a MO resident, I'd be livid with the governor!!
http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/02/the-oath-keepers-in-ferguson-three-updat
Great-Kazoo
12-03-2014, 12:13
If Mike Brown's parents would have put a belt on his ass at a young age, then this shit wouldn't have happened...
Not really, criminal gonna be a criminal. No Matter how strict or disciplinary the parents or gaurdians are.
BURN THIS BITCH DOWN! OOPS step dad's sorry for his emotional outburst.
speedysst
12-03-2014, 13:26
C O R R E C T.[blaster][Score]
When we were going to get a switch across the ass, we had to go out and get a tree branch to have our own butts whipped. Too many candy ass liberals around now, running our Country.
I kind of see this as whats going on with all the cop hating. These kids were raised without ANY consequences for misbehavior then they became adults and in the real world such behavior is unlawful. Then someone does hold them accountable for their actions and they throw a tantrum.
crashdown
12-03-2014, 16:02
Now that gender identity is a recognized condition as evidenced by the boy that dresses like a girl getting 75K yesterday because his school wouldn't let him pee in the girls bathroom..... Can I claim legally claim racism if I am denied anything at all because if I feel like a black man trapped in a white mans body?
Bailey Guns
12-03-2014, 16:03
Fukin' Wendy's...put mayo on my chicken sandwich. I hate mayo. I'm gonna go out and riot and loot and burn bitches down.
Another angle on the Oath Keepers.
http://www.guns.com/2014/12/02/oath-keepers-help-guard-ferguson-from-the-rooftops-until-local-law-enforcement-tell-them-to-leave/
Standing guard on roof tops in the middle of the night...
Who do these guys think they are?
I'm Batman!
http://youtu.be/iaM_tYWBdyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVzCih9RnWg
GilpinGuy
12-11-2014, 11:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng6uMw6Xgwk
Is this video okay to watch at work at full volume? ^^
blackford76
12-11-2014, 13:02
Is this video okay to watch at work at full volume? ^^
Not so much...but it IS very good!
Bailey Guns
12-11-2014, 13:55
You go, girlfriend!
colorider
12-11-2014, 15:02
Needs more finger waving. Otherwise,, great point.
Is this video okay to watch at work at full volume? ^^
Depends on where you work. My boss is a foul mouthed asshole.
I work for myself.
Finally, someone speaks some sense. Well, not finally, there are quite a few folks out there saying almost the same thing...
Depends on where you work. My boss is a foul mouthed asshole.
I work for myself.
[LOL]So how often do you complain about the boss?
Finally, someone speaks some sense. Well, not finally, there are quite a few folks out there saying almost the same thing...
[LOL]So how often do you complain about the boss?
Pretty much every day. That guy is a merciless slave driver. Broke my friggin thumb last night, and that sonofabitch made me come to work this morning
This......
This is a cop. This is "US" not "THEM". This is what should have been the response....building the bridges. All lives matter and we need to bring all sides of this to a better understanding of each other.
53645
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/northern-california-police-chief-joins-peaceful-protest-27516042
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2014, 23:58
About 100 people lined a busy Richmond street at noon, holding signing and listening to recordings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/martin-luther-king-jr.htm). speeches
Too bad his words have fallen on deaf ears.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
For those that don't know, Richmond is a suburb of that bastion of conservatism -- San Francisco.
Not sure if this has been posted up here yet. If so, I apologize.
http://youtu.be/VT2v64Ykxc0
Bailey Guns
12-13-2014, 09:32
This......
This is a cop. This is "US" not "THEM". This is what should have been the response....building the bridges. All lives matter and we need to bring all sides of this to a better understanding of each other.
53645
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/northern-california-police-chief-joins-peaceful-protest-27516042
Wonder what that douchebag chief would say to one of his officers protesting in uniform at a rally with a sign that said "White Lives Matter". Or with a "Stop Gun Control" sign at a pro-gun rally. I doubt he'd be so understanding. And I disagree with the liberal platitude that "all lives matter". For obvious reasons.
This......
This is a cop. This is "US" not "THEM". This is what should have been the response....building the bridges. All lives matter and we need to bring all sides of this to a better understanding of each other.
53645
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/northern-california-police-chief-joins-peaceful-protest-27516042
Seeing public officials, on the clock, getting paid by the taxpayers, out in the streets protesting makes me think of wasteful government spending. When legislators, elected executives, and government staffers have time to do these things while on the clock, there are too many of them being employed. If they want to do these things on their own time, while not in uniform, have at it.
Its not US vs THEM, it is innocent citizens vs criminals. Skin color is a physical description, not a predestined, cultural characteristic. All lives matter, not everyone takes actions to make their life matter to others or themselves.
I would not want to work with or for that police chief. IMO, his actions in that photograph are just cheap, photo op politics.
IMO, the best way to stop police brutality and corruption is first; maintain your integrity and treat others the way you would like them to treat your loved ones. Second, do not tolerate brutality or corruption in others.
Being part of the community, is a cops job.
And this is why there is so much distrust:
And I disagree with the liberal platitude that "all lives matter"
Bailey Guns
12-13-2014, 09:48
I knew you couldn't figure it out on your own. In my opinion, the life of an ISIS scumbag who beheads innocent women and children doesn't matter to me. I could put a bullet in his melon without a second thought. "All lives matter" is a platitude people people repeat cause it sounds all touchy-feely.
The same liberals that go around parroting "all lives matter" are the same ones who are OK with killing a million or so unborn children every year.
And I notice you didn't respond to any of the excellent points cstone made but rather focused only on the statement where I disagreed with you. Predictable. You can't respond to substance.
ETA: That's all I'll be saying to you, Hound, in order not to hijack another thread.
I knew you couldn't figure it out on your own. In my opinion, the life of an ISIS scumbag who beheads innocent women and children doesn't matter to me. I could put a bullet in his melon without a second thought. "All lives matter" is a platitude people people repeat cause it sounds all touchy-feely.
The same liberals that go around parroting "all lives matter" are the same ones who are OK with killing a million or so unborn children every year.
I'd go as far as even saying, at the point that Michael Brown made a legitimate attempt at Off. Wilson's firearm, his life no longer mattered. The scum sucking, piece of slime, Hassan Nidal's life doesn't matter. Traitorous Bowe Bergdahl's life, to me, no longer matters. Bailey, once again you are hitting the nail on the head with the liberal mantra "all lives matter." Do they? Do they really? (This question is of course not posed to you).
Another thing I cannot stand these days, and it stems from these "incidents", protest. Okay, I get that people are upset and want to protest something. But if it's not a legitimate cause and it's just protest for protesting sake, give me a break! The man-hours and effort it takes to deal with this crap for weeks on end is just absurd. I also grow tired of it, especially with stupid catch-phrases like "Black Lives Matter", "Hands Up, Don't Shoot", "I Can't Breath" (no kidding, they misspell it because they're too busy protesting instead of learning). If there truly was a grave injustice being committed by America's Law Enforcement, en masse (not singular cases), then I would understand and sympathize. But day in, day out, millions of Americans are not subjected to abuse or mistreatment by the police; police are accountable and held liable for their actions all the time. Many other countries out there do not afford the public such ability to pursue charges, tort, or complaints against the police. They should consider themselves lucky. In all, I think these people protesting at the slightest thing removes the power of protest and public grievances, much akin to the boy who cried wolf. Numb the average American to protest with its overuse and eventually, when something really does go bad, people protesting will get an annoyed "There they go again," rather than actual attention to the subject. [2cents]
I'd go as far as even saying, at the point that Michael Brown made a legitimate attempt at Off. Wilson's firearm, his life no longer mattered. The scum sucking, piece of slime, Hassan Nidal's life doesn't matter. Traitorous Bowe Bergdahl's life, to me, no longer matters. Bailey, once again you are hitting the nail on the head with the liberal mantra "all lives matter." Do they? Do they really? (This question is of course not posed to you).
Another thing I cannot stand these days, and it stems from these "incidents", protest. Okay, I get that people are upset and want to protest something. But if it's not a legitimate cause and it's just protest for protesting sake, give me a break! The man-hours and effort it takes to deal with this crap for weeks on end is just absurd. I also grow tired of it, especially with stupid catch-phrases like "Black Lives Matter", "Hands Up, Don't Shoot", "I Can't Breath" (no kidding, they misspell it because they're too busy protesting instead of learning). If there truly was a grave injustice being committed by America's Law Enforcement, en masse (not singular cases), then I would understand and sympathize. But day in, day out, millions of Americans are not subjected to abuse or mistreatment by the police; police are accountable and held liable for their actions all the time. Many other countries out there do not afford the public such ability to pursue charges, tort, or complaints against the police. They should consider themselves lucky. In all, I think these people protesting at the slightest thing removes the power of protest and public grievances, much akin to the boy who cried wolf. Numb the average American to protest with its overuse and eventually, when something really does go bad, people protesting will get an annoyed "There they go again," rather than actual attention to the subject. [2cents]
That's absurd. What if Lib's used the same argument about gun ownership. The constitution isn't a flexible document that gets watered down when someone does something you don't like. Protected rights are just that, whether your a lib at a protest rally or a law abiding gun owner. The constitution isn't just there for stuff we like.
That's absurd. What if Lib's used the same argument about gun ownership. The constitution isn't a flexible document that gets watered down when someone does something you don't like. Protected rights are just that, whether your a lib at a protest rally or a law abiding gun owner. The constitution isn't just there for stuff we like.
Apparently you read something into what Ronin13 wrote that wasn't even there.
GilpinGuy
12-13-2014, 23:31
[HiFive][HiFive]
Not sure if this has been posted up here yet. If so, I apologize.
http://youtu.be/VT2v64Ykxc0
It was, but well worth a repost.
kidicarus13
12-14-2014, 00:28
[HiFive][HiFive]
It was, but well worth a repost.
I consider that preaching to the choir.
Big John
12-14-2014, 06:09
I'd go as far as even saying, at the point that Michael Brown made a legitimate attempt at Off. Wilson's firearm, his life no longer mattered. The scum sucking, piece of slime, Hassan Nidal's life doesn't matter. Traitorous Bowe Bergdahl's life, to me, no longer matters. Bailey, once again you are hitting the nail on the head with the liberal mantra "all lives matter." Do they? Do they really? (This question is of course not posed to you).
Another thing I cannot stand these days, and it stems from these "incidents", protest. Okay, I get that people are upset and want to protest something. But if it's not a legitimate cause and it's just protest for protesting sake, give me a break! The man-hours and effort it takes to deal with this crap for weeks on end is just absurd. I also grow tired of it, especially with stupid catch-phrases like "Black Lives Matter", "Hands Up, Don't Shoot", "I Can't Breath" (no kidding, they misspell it because they're too busy protesting instead of learning). If there truly was a grave injustice being committed by America's Law Enforcement, en masse (not singular cases), then I would understand and sympathize. But day in, day out, millions of Americans are not subjected to abuse or mistreatment by the police; police are accountable and held liable for their actions all the time. Many other countries out there do not afford the public such ability to pursue charges, tort, or complaints against the police. They should consider themselves lucky. In all, I think these people protesting at the slightest thing removes the power of protest and public grievances, much akin to the boy who cried wolf. Numb the average American to protest with its overuse and eventually, when something really does go bad, people protesting will get an annoyed "There they go again," rather than actual attention to the subject. [2cents]Well said sir!
Apparently you read something into what Ronin13 wrote that wasn't even there.
How so
RblDiver
12-14-2014, 08:34
How so
You emphasized this quote: "I think these people protesting at the slightest thing removes the power of protest and public grievances, much akin to the boy who cried wolf." You went on to say "The constitution isn't a flexible document that gets watered down when someone does something you don't like. Protected rights are just that, whether your a lib at a protest rally or a law abiding gun owner."
I don't think Ronin was saying that the protests should be shut down by the government. Indeed, peaceful protests are protected by the Constitution. However, what I took his point as being was that if you're going to protest, it should have a good reason behind it. Trying to rally with Michael Brown as a figurehead is ridiculous. By inciting incidents without a good, compelling reason behind them, the protesters are doing more harm to their position than good.
Think of it this way: Imagine I go on a murderous rampage and get killed by the police at the end of it. I'd daresay I had it coming and wouldn't be worthy of respect. However, if someone started a large nationwide movement "Justice for RblDiver" complete with looting, it'd be absurd and lessen the impact. Then, later on when someone DID have a valid reason to protest, their voices would be heard less because people'd more instantly assume "Oh, yet another protest, don't care what it's about, we've seen enough so it's probably something ridiculous."
So, Ronin wasn't saying that the gov't should take away the First Amendment. He was saying protesters are shooting themselves in the foot by rioting over something that really doesn't deserve it.
And in other news, today one of the protests blocked an ambulance from getting a man with a severed leg to the hospital. http://twitchy.com/2014/12/13/protesters-blocking-traffic-reportedly-stand-between-person-with-severed-leg-and-hospital/
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Yep, pretty much the point I was making. Thanks!
RMAC, you read a little too much into what I was getting at.
You emphasized this quote: "I think these people protesting at the slightest thing removes the power of protest and public grievances, much akin to the boy who cried wolf." You went on to say "The constitution isn't a flexible document that gets watered down when someone does something you don't like. Protected rights are just that, whether your a lib at a protest rally or a law abiding gun owner."
I don't think Ronin was saying that the protests should be shut down by the government. Indeed, peaceful protests are protected by the Constitution. However, what I took his point as being was that if you're going to protest, it should have a good reason behind it. Trying to rally with Michael Brown as a figurehead is ridiculous. By inciting incidents without a good, compelling reason behind them, the protesters are doing more harm to their position than good.
Think of it this way: Imagine I go on a murderous rampage and get killed by the police at the end of it. I'd daresay I had it coming and wouldn't be worthy of respect. However, if someone started a large nationwide movement "Justice for RblDiver" complete with looting, it'd be absurd and lessen the impact. Then, later on when someone DID have a valid reason to protest, their voices would be heard less because people'd more instantly assume "Oh, yet another protest, don't care what it's about, we've seen enough so it's probably something ridiculous."
So, Ronin wasn't saying that the gov't should take away the First Amendment. He was saying protesters are shooting themselves in the foot by rioting over something that really doesn't deserve it.
And in other news, today one of the protests blocked an ambulance from getting a man with a severed leg to the hospital. http://twitchy.com/2014/12/13/protesters-blocking-traffic-reportedly-stand-between-person-with-severed-leg-and-hospital/
I wasn't going nearly that far or even leading towards that. . In context, what I wrote was that people have the "right" to protest....not commit crime. The same as gun owners. It doesn't matter what it's over. Do we select a committee to determine what's worthy of protesting and what's not? That would be the last thing we need....more govt oversight. Nowadays people protest far less than they use too.The argument that people protest over anything is way off base. Protests have been going on since the raise in Tea prices and draft notices of the civil war and they included destruction of property ironically and murder. These large protests in almost every major city of the US are constitutionallly protected freedoms and have been mostly peaceful in nature. I don't think however that the main focus of protests was Brown, but instead the divide between the community and local law enforcement agencies ( Gurley, Hill, Garner, etc ). My point is you don't have to like it ( like most anti-gunners ). It's a constitutionally protected freedom. I also think that comparing these incidents to a "murderous rampage" is a little over the top. To those of you who say "if you don't want a confrontation, don't commit crime"..,,,,when was the last time you exceeded the speed limit? I'd argue that is far more harmful than selling "singles" on the street corner in New York.
my 2 cents.
...and there are police officers that really care about people. This kind of thing happens more often than some may think;
Grandmother caught stealing eggs to feed hungry children 'overwhelmed' by kindness of police (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/12/im_not_a_good_thief_says_woman.html)
Yep, pretty much the point I was making. Thanks!
RMAC, you read a little too much into what I was getting at.
I guess the same could be said both ways. This is a discussion board, as long as it's civil, I don't mind discussion.
...and there are police officers that really care about people. This kind of thing happens more often than some may think;
Police Video Goes Viral (But Not For The Reasons You Might Expect) (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/12/11/police-video-goes-viral-but-not-for-the-reasons-you-might-expect/)
I agree. There is a 10% rule for every group. I probably hang out with more people in Law Endorcement than I do with the guys who share my job.
...and there are police officers that really care about people. This kind of thing happens more often than some may think;
Grandmother caught stealing eggs to feed hungry children 'overwhelmed' by kindness of police (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/12/im_not_a_good_thief_says_woman.html)
I am so glad those brick phones and flip phones didn't have video cameras when I was in patrol. It's almost impossible to be a tough guy in uniform with stuff like that floating around the Interwebs. His wife will give him a hard time about feeding another woman and her children. His co-workers will expect him to buy them coffee. Next thing you know, the department will give him some kind of award and everytime he keys his mic on the radio, he will be greeted with kissing and sucking noises. No thank you! Just beat and cuff everybody. Then people will really know what kind of man you are.
Merry Christmas! Enjoy your grey baloney sammich and colored water lunch, courtesy of the county jail!
[Sarcasm2]
I guess the same could be said both ways. This is a discussion board, as long as it's civil, I don't mind discussion.
I'm probably not the only one that's confused by your comments about even Constitutional protection. Feel free to share your feelings, but please don't attribute the contrary position to someone not making that assertion.
Aloha_Shooter
12-14-2014, 11:41
Gee, a police chief pulling a blatantly political stunt on the side of political correctness. I'm so shocked.
The cop that helped the grandmother is a real cop. The cops that defended life and property against the hooligans looting "protesting" are real cops. The cop who attempted to enforce safety by getting pedestrians out of the middle of the street then recognized a probable burglar only to be assaulted, vilified, and made a national target for his troubles (as well as lose his career) was a real cop.
I'm probably not the only one that's confused by your comments about even Constitutional protection. Feel free to share your feelings, but please don't attribute the contrary position to someone not making that assertion.
No problem. I guess I don't understand where the confusion is. My apologies if it was convoluted.
68Charger
12-14-2014, 13:08
I don't think "all lives matter" is a liberal platitude... like someone else said, then they wouldn't be killing unborn babies
Liberals are fighting AGAINST those that say "All lives matter": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-craven/please-stop-telling-me-th_b_6223072.html
The way I see "ALL lives matter" is just that- and as soon as you are threatening someone else's life with your actions, you forfeit your right- because you don't respect their right to live, you forfeit yours. That is the right to self defence (or defence of others).
Big John
12-14-2014, 15:27
I wasn't going nearly that far or even leading towards that. . In context, what I wrote was that people have the "right" to protest....not commit crime. The same as gun owners. It doesn't matter what it's over. Do we select a committee to determine what's worthy of protesting and what's not? That would be the last thing we need....more govt oversight. Nowadays people protest far less than they use too.The argument that people protest over anything is way off base. Protests have been going on since the raise in Tea prices and draft notices of the civil war and they included destruction of property ironically and murder. These large protests in almost every major city of the US are constitutionallly protected freedoms and have been mostly peaceful in nature. I don't think however that the main focus of protests was Brown, but instead the divide between the community and local law enforcement agencies ( Gurley, Hill, Garner, etc ). My point is you don't have to like it ( like most anti-gunners ). It's a constitutionally protected freedom. I also think that comparing these incidents to a "murderous rampage" is a little over the top. To those of you who say "if you don't want a confrontation, don't commit crime"..,,,,when was the last time you exceeded the speed limit? I'd argue that is far more harmful than selling "singles" on the street corner in New York.
my 2 cents.Since at least one of the events being protested is predicated on an outright lie and the other highly questionable... Not many already give two squirts of piss what they are currently protesting. Therefore, their next stupid protest will cared about even less ("watered down").
BTW... IBTL[HH]
Bailey Guns
12-14-2014, 17:19
I don't think "all lives matter" is a liberal platitude... like someone else said, then they wouldn't be killing unborn babies
Liberals are fighting AGAINST those that say "All lives matter": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-craven/please-stop-telling-me-th_b_6223072.html
No, the liberal BLACK author of that piece you quoted is fighting against people saying "all lives matter" because she feels whitey doesn't really believe it. In other words, she's tired of hearing it as well, because she doesn't believe it's said sincerely and it's overused. Which is exactly what makes it a platitude. No, she would prefer people said only "black lives matter".
But, if all "black lives matter", why aren't blacks in an uproar over the killings of blacks by blacks in inner cities like Chicago and Detroit? It's because of blatant hypocrisy, that's why. "Black lives matter" only when they're killed by white police officers, apparently. She never mentions the hundreds, perhaps thousands (I don't know the number), of blacks killed by blacks in the hood and elsewhere. And "black lives matter" certainly isn't the case when the black person killed is a police officer: Officer Kevin Jordan was killed by a white man earlier this year in Georgia. I don't recall ever hearing his name mentioned by Obama (guess Officer Jordan didn't look like a son Obama might've had) or Holder. I don't recall Sharpton or Jackson mentioning his name either. As someone else stated, apparently Officer Jordan was on the wrong side of the Thin Blue Line.
The way I see "ALL lives matter" is just that- and as soon as you are threatening someone else's life with your actions, you forfeit your right- because you don't respect their right to live, you forfeit yours. That is the right to self defence (or defence of others).
I find that statement quite contradictory. So, apparently, all lives DON'T matter if you're willing to kill in self-defense. Which is basically what I said except that I said I could kill a terrorist and not feel any remorse whatsoever...because to me the life of a terrorist doesn't matter at all.
All lives matter... to someone.
Not actually politically correct, but the way I was raised, every living and non-living thing was created by God for a purpose. While I often fail, I try not to take anything in creation for granted. No rock, no grain of sand, no dog, no cat, no person, not even a cockroach is useless. Whenever I have been wasteful of anything or taken it for granted, and I actually noticed that I had done so, I feel remorse. That doesn't mean I will never do it again, in fact, I am just about guaranteed to kill and waste again. It is a weakness I live with.
Death is coming for each of us. How you die is less important than how you live, IMO. People want to protest? Go right ahead. People want to interfere with the freedom of others, without due process? We have laws and law enforcement officers, and prosecutors, and judges for that. People want to kill or seriously injure others without legal justification? We have self-defense for that.
I think the type of person you consider yourself to be is less dependent on your skin color than your self perception in your own head. Be who you want to be. You have that choice. I try to be pleasant.
http://youtu.be/o98q4AufIl8
I'd say there is a big difference between protesting and destroying property, burning buildings, looting, theft, rape, threats to rape and kill officers wives, to kill the officer and his family, etc etc.
I have nothing but disdain for those individuals who took part in those actions, ruining lives, and continuing to threaten and take part in these actions after the court system has done its duty.
these people were not protesting. They were breaking laws, ruining lives/businesses, destroying trust, and not only hurting others, but hurting themselves while they were at it.
For those who are doing peaceful protests, marching, etc. that is great for them, their cause falls on my deaf ears but I support their right to protest and have their voices heard. I disagree with them based on the evidence and the facts, and I agree with the jury's decision not to indict.
Since at least one of the events being protested is predicated on an outright lie and the other highly questionable... Not many already give two squirts of piss what they are currently protesting. Therefore, their next stupid protest will cared about even less ("watered down").
BTW... IBTL[HH]
I disagree, protests in almost every major city would indicate that your wrong about "Not many giving a piss". How many did we get out to support our 2A rights? Your very active new guy.
No, the liberal BLACK author of that piece you quoted is fighting against people saying "all lives matter" because she feels whitey doesn't really believe it. In other words, she's tired of hearing it as well, because she doesn't believe it's said sincerely and it's overused. Which is exactly what makes it a platitude. No, she would prefer people said only "black lives matter".
But, if all "black lives matter", why aren't blacks in an uproar over the killings of blacks by blacks in inner cities like Chicago and Detroit? It's because of blatant hypocrisy, that's why. "Black lives matter" only when they're killed by white police officers, apparently. She never mentions the hundreds, perhaps thousands (I don't know the number), of blacks killed by blacks in the hood and elsewhere. And "black lives matter" certainly isn't the case when the black person killed is a police officer: Officer Kevin Jordan was killed by a white man earlier this year in Georgia. I don't recall ever hearing his name mentioned by Obama (guess Officer Jordan didn't look like a son Obama might've had) or Holder. I don't recall Sharpton or Jackson mentioning his name either. As someone else stated, apparently Officer Jordan was on the wrong side of the Thin Blue Line.
I find that statement quite contradictory. So, apparently, all lives DON'T matter if you're willing to kill in self-defense. Which is basically what I said except that I said I could kill a terrorist and not feel any remorse whatsoever...because to me the life of a terrorist doesn't matter at all.
You are one angry dude.
I disagree, protests in almost every major city would indicate that your wrong about "Not many giving a piss". How many did we get out to support our 2A rights? Your very active new guy.
Protesting exactly WHAT in "every major city"? Please. They didn't get the result they WANTED in Ferguson, so the GJ system is now being indicted in the court of public (mostly uneducated and definitely emotion driven) opinion. I would venture a guess that a large majority of the protesters in the majority of the "major cities" you cite couldn't even articulate clearly what they are protesting, if they were pulled aside and asked to explain what/why they are protesting.
Hell...Most of them probably couldn't even remember Michael Brown's name.
hurley842002
12-14-2014, 18:50
Your very active new guy.
You keep throwing out "new guy" in regards to Big John. At least he's joined the forum and actually contributed to multiple facets of the forum. You only seem to make an appearance when certain "topics" near and dear to your heart come up. Reminds me of Pancho....
Great-Kazoo
12-14-2014, 19:13
I disagree, protests in almost every major city would indicate that your wrong about "Not many giving a piss". How many did we get out to support our 2A rights? Your very active new guy.
the protest organized were by the communist party, shartlatons action network and IIRC, The Minister himself Farrakan. Lots of money is being funneled to these "protest" groups. Just as big outside money was dumped in WA for I-594. Full color posters, full color flyers. This isn't some local OUTRAGE, It's well organized, well financed.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608002898031349681&pid=15.1&P=0
since you may have glossed over this link last time i posted it.
http://revcom.us/
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608030424476159539&pid=15.1&P=0 $10 - 15 a pop for how many of these, which just happen to be seen at every protest nationwide. Or to be more accurate. Large URBAN / DEMOCRAT Strongholds. Denver had some Greeley, not even, same for longmont etc.
When one can come to terms who the movers behind this one are, one can see what the real issue is. IMO that's making sure one stays relevant in society today. Not to mention the $$$ that comes with it.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608033800320321489&pid=15.1&P=0 https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608049704581729795&pid=15.1&P=0
This thread ran it's course about 30 pages ago, now all the additional discussion is about as impactfull as additional protesting would be. Knowing that, I'll post anyway.
I think that what harms a protest MOST, is not having a clear message. What is the aim of the protest? What would protesters like to see accomplished? If protesters are just angry, it leaves the rest of the world to project their own manifestations of the protester's purpose (see the last 30 pages of posts), leaving the observers looking just as bad as the protesters themselves. No one wins and nothing is accomplished but property destruction and mind-numbing media coverage. We saw something similar with all the Occupy protests and lack of leaders. A lot of people gathered, and it seemed like every other person had different things they were upset about. As with all public gatherings, criminals show up to take advantage of the situation. It's the nature of people to take advantage of mass confusion. To project the worst of what happened to the entire protest is immature at best. No reason to act like dicks to each other and argue about stuff like looters that only showed up to cause destruction. A big enough protest, regardless of the cause (or lack thereof) would attract criminals.
Big John
12-14-2014, 19:27
Your very active new guy.Point?
jerrymrc
12-14-2014, 19:50
Point?
Taken.
In after the lock [Coffee]
jerrymrc
12-14-2014, 20:05
In after the lock [Coffee]
Your so slow......[LOL][Flower]
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