Mass shooting at Century 16 in Aurora

[AK47 Ranger]

Make no mistake, the hard on for gun, magazine and ammo bans will ramp up now worse than ever. Its all anyone is asking questions about. DAMN IT!

[Chad4000]

Make no mistake, the hard on for gun, magazine and ammo bans will ramp up now worse than ever. Its all anyone is asking questions about. DAMN IT!


agreed.... wow...

[cofi]

Full auto ars are hard to make without a jig and mill for the third pin hole he also had smoke granades and teargas I'm wondering if he stole the stuff

[TS12000]

And given the timeline of a minute and a half between the call and capture plus the amount of injuries and deaths...magazine sales are about to go through the roof is all I'll say.

[jackthewall81]

Make no mistake, the hard on for gun, magazine and ammo bans will ramp up now worse than ever. Its all anyone is asking questions about. DAMN IT!

Yup. There will be a full blown attack on hi-cap mags, ammo, and rifles.

[Chad4000]

And given the timeline of a minute and a half between the call and capture plus the amount of injuries and deaths...magazine sales are about to go through the roof is all I'll say.


I hadnt heard it was that fast.. wow.. thats good at least.

edit: I meant how fast the capture time was.

[AK47 Ranger]

Not that i dont own plenty but a visit to 44mag today is in order i guess


And given the timeline of a minute and a half between the call and capture plus the amount of injuries and deaths...magazine sales are about to go through the roof is all I'll say.

[sniper7]

Full auto ars are hard to make without a jig and mill for the third pin hole he also had smoke granades and teargas I'm wondering if he stole the stuff

there are lowers out there with the shelf already for a drop in auto sear.

the sear could have been fabricated, could have been bought illegally, or purchased from an M16 parts kit. Either way it would be illegal. But legality obviously had no meaning to James Holmes.
He also has the knowledge to create booby traps, possible firebombs from what I gather at his apartment.

A degree in biology and studying neuroscience means he has sort sort of knowledge on a lot of this stuff...and if he didn't some of his friends surely did.

[sniper7]

I hadnt heard it was that fast.. wow.. thats good at least.

edit: I meant how fast the capture time was.

I am pretty sure I read it was 15 minutes long.

[BPTactical]

* link redacted due to butthurt

Someone else came in and said "look, dumbass, he just said his kid was there and is alright it's not him" and the person who posted the quoted above said "Oh I was just relinking from somewhere else, I'm at work and couldn't see the link".

The point is: some people are spreading INCORRECT WRONG MISINFORMED rumors that one of our active members is/was the shooter.

Fair enough Deus.
Point taken but your original post sure came across sideways.[Beer]


On another note, I have been listening to the MP3 of L.E. Response to this incident.

Huge kudos to them, very well managed and organized.

[Chad4000]

I am pretty sure I read it was 15 minutes long.


that would make more sense...

[T-Giv]

Where are you getting the mp3 from? I'd like to hear it as well.

[10mm-man]

that would make more sense...

9news has the chief of Aurora PD quoting a 60-90 sec response time...

[Chad4000]

9news has the chief of Aurora PD quoting a 60-90 sec response time...


gotcha.... well if it was that fast, that's a great job...

[cofi]

9news has the chief of Aurora PD quoting a 60-90 sec response time...

When you only have seconds and the police are minutes away

[10mm-man]

When you only have seconds and the police are minutes away

>>> how do i turn these pointed up???

[Chad4000]

>>> how do i turn these pointed up???


the arrows?

[spongejosh]

In the press conference they said it was 1 to 1 and a half minutes from when dispatch called officers. Time from shooting starting is unknown.

Figure at least a minute for someone to figure out what is going on, calling 911, and the operator dispatching officers. Probably a few minutes since they said people thought it was a stunt related to the movie when he first came in.

[T-Giv]

60-90 is very impressive considering how garbled the initial reports probably were. The responding officers probably had no info at all just that someone had a gun and people were panicking. Well done to the Aurora dispatchers as well to get the necessary info and get officers rolling. If only the POS had decided to point his rifle at Aurora PD and gotten lit up. Then the residents of CO wouldn't be burdened with paying for his coward ass to sit in prison for the rest of his life.

[10mm-man]

I am usually not one to give cudo's to L.E. but i must say my hat is off to Aurora. They seem to have there shit together, and well organized. Listening to the police broadcast this morning while it was unfolding was really professional. No unnecessary radio chatter, no chaotic talk, very organized.

Let's hope they keep it up![Beer]

[BPTactical]

Where are you getting the mp3 from? I'd like to hear it as well.

I posted a link in an earlier post

[josh7328]

Full auto ars are hard to make without a jig and mill for the third pin hole he also had smoke granades and teargas I'm wondering if he stole the stuff
For real! Unless they were simple fireworks stand smoke bombs, where the heck did he get that stuff? I read that it was tear gas, too. What in the world?! Last time I checked, you can't just go to Bob's gun and pawn and buy tear gas grenades! I hope this is just a one time thing and doesn't spawn any copycats. What a mess. This guy needs to be well interrogated, to identify any possible links, and put to sleep when they're finished. Little kids and women? Seriously?!

[10mm-man]

If only the POS had decided to point his rifle at Aurora PD and gotten lit up. Then the residents of CO wouldn't be burdened with paying for his coward ass to sit in prison for the rest of his life.

Hope he doesn't sit he has a lot of "Attempted Murder" and "Murder" charges being rang up right now!

[josh7328]

I know this may sound strange, but it may be better that they got him alive. If there are any connections with this guy, it would be good intel to exploit to possibly prevent future attacks. Death penalty swiftly after he is exploited.

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[jackthewall81]

I am sorry for the dead. I am sorry for the people who lost loved ones, and I am especially sorry for the survivors. PTSD sucks, and alot of these people are going to grapple with it for the rest of their lives.


This makes me sick. I have no connection to the people(i hope). But, how can anyone as a human being, not be hurting, knowing so many others are hurting.

If blame needs to be placed...I blame hollywood and their non stop violence in movies, tv and video games. They have desensitized an entire generation of people. Add that to people being raised with no morals, and the combination can be lethal.

unfortunately the shooter lived through this.

the families deserve for him to be dead.

and now, thanks to our courts, he will be alive for ever. The system has not killed Nathan Dunlap yet. Nearly 20 years since he did the murders at CEC.

I blame liberal media, reprinting the idea that your personal problems are because of others. Liberal thinking places the blame on everyone but themselves. I you blame everybody else for your problems, then mass murder makes sense.

[T-Giv]

This thread moves so quickly I can't keep up the with the posts! I did find the mp3 recordings. All in all well handled by Aurora and pretty swift support from Denver.

[ChunkyMonkey]

>>> how do i turn these pointed up???

^^^ chinese made keyboard dont have upward arrows.

[newracer]

>>> how do i turn these pointed up???

Look at the key with a 6 on it.

[DeusExMachina]

Media reports guns were legally purchased in the past few months.

Edit: From 2 Ganders and Bass Pro.

[Sharpienads]

>>> how do i turn these pointed up???

Turn your computer sideways... [Tooth]

Just kidding, shift+6 is the little arrow thingy.

I had an alert waiting for me this morning on my phone from the local news station. So horrible.

[10mm-man]

^^^ chinese made keyboard dont have upward arrows.

Daaam VAIO! hey wait, all keyboards are made in CHINA! China even owns AMC theaters now!

[Doubleajaybrock]

Daaam VAIO! hey wait, all keyboards are made in CHINA! China even owns AMC theaters now!

^ = Shift + 6

[ChunkyMonkey]

Daaam VAIO! hey wait, all keyboards are made in CHINA! China even owns AMC theaters now!

lol.. 6 key

[Chad4000]

http://twitchy.com/2012/07/20/salman-rushdie-finds-colo-tragedy-pun-worthy-the-right-to-bear-arms-is-the-real-bane-of-america/

Got that from Michelle Malkins feed.

[Rooskibar03]

So would it unwise to OC on Sunday when we planned to go see movie?

[10mm-man]

So would it unwise to OC on Sunday when we planned to go see movie?

Theaters say no open carry. Check Colorado open carry, they have a list going of places that don't like it. Now of course those signs don't mean shit if you have a CCW! And yes, carry at all times!!! Open or not!!

My $.02

[Rooskibar03]

Belmar has a little sign on the ticket counter, inside the building, saying no firearms. Wonder if that will change.


Theaters say no open carry. Check Colorado open carry, they have a list going of places that don't like it. Now of course those signs don't mean shit if you have a CCW! And yes, carry at all times!!! Open or not!!

My $.02

[spongejosh]

Fox31 is now reporting Holmes bought a ticket and entered the movie with everyone else. He got up, went out the exit to his car and came back with the canisters and guns.

This makes sense with the reports of 2 people if he was actually the one that opened the door in the first place.

They are also making retarded statements about guns. Duckface reporter girl just called the AR-15 a "machinegun type weapon."

[10mm-man]

Turn your computer sideways... [Tooth]

Just kidding, shift+6 is the little arrow thingy.

I had an alert waiting for me this morning on my phone from the local news station. So horrible.

I tried it, no worky!!

[cofi]

Media reports guns were legally purchased in the past few months.

Edit: From 2 Ganders and Bass Pro.

Well at least it wasn't f2f

[RKL]

I am sorry for the dead. I am sorry for the people who lost loved ones, and I am especially sorry for the survivors. PTSD sucks, and alot of these people are going to grapple with it for the rest of their lives.


This makes me sick. I have no connection to the people(i hope). But, how can anyone as a human being, not be hurting, knowing so many others are hurting.

If blame needs to be placed...I blame hollywood and their non stop violence in movies, tv and video games. They have desensitized an entire generation of people. Add that to people being raised with no morals, and the combination can be lethal.

unfortunately the shooter lived through this.

the families deserve for him to be dead.

and now, thanks to our courts, he will be alive for ever. The system has not killed Nathan Dunlap yet. Nearly 20 years since he did the murders at CEC.

I BLAME James Eagen Holmes!!! Not movies, hollywood, tv, media, video games, music, internet, herion or Marilyn Manson.

[ghettodub]

I BLAME James Eagen Holmes!!! Not movies, hollywood, tv, media, video games, music, internet, herion or Marilyn Manson.

Yup^

[10mm-man]

I BLAME James Eagen Holmes!!! Not movies, hollywood, tv, media, video games, music, internet, herion or Marilyn Manson.

^^^ Yep! (Ha found the 6 key, Thanks! [Beer])

[Chad4000]

I BLAME James Eagen Holmes!!! Not movies, hollywood, tv, media, video games, music, internet, herion or Marilyn Manson.

[Beer]

[AaronRocha1]

My Nephew broke his Collar bone last night and was rushed to a hospital in Aurora ten minutes before all the trauma victims started pouring in . My brother told me it was chaotic, blood everywhere, people screaming, and cops pulling severely shot victims out of the back of their cars and rushing them in. I can't imagine how that would feel seeing all them. Especially with your kids.. My prayers are to the families affected by this.

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[Sharpienads]

^^^ Yep! (Ha found the 6 key, Thanks! [Beer])

Oh man, that's some good stuff. [Beer]

[TriggerHappy]

One day I would like to see headlines:

25 people with minor gunshot wounds...active shooter SMOKED by citizen legally carrying side arm.

To bad it wouldn't make national news. This is all so tragic. Thoughts go out to the families and friends.

[newracer]

Media reports guns were legally purchased in the past few months.

Edit: From 2 Ganders and Bass Pro.

But I thought there was no gun registry?

[Rant1]

[Mtn.man]

One day I would like to see headlines:

25 people with minor gunshot wounds...active shooter SMOKED by citizen legally carrying side arm.

To bad it wouldn't make national news. This is all so tragic. Thoughts go out to the families and friends.

Yeah, not gonna happen.

[blacklabel]

Yeah, not gonna happen.

Wouldn't the New Life Church shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings) fit that description?

[DeusExMachina]

So, I'm waiting to see what they find in his apartment, but there's very good chance this guy has severe mental issues.

Instead of saying "Don't blame the guns, blame the people!" I want to say "Don't blame the guns, lets get people some help". I think the best way to do that is to donate to some mental health charity or research. The mental health care in this country is piss poor, and people that need help don't or can't get it. A lot of it is difficult to change (people can't get involuntary help unless threatening harm to themselves or others, and even then it's very difficult) but I'd at least like to try and make a difference.

[Mtn.man]

America sadly lacks behind in mental healthcare.

[Sawin]

But I thought there was no gun registry?

[Rant1]
That's not how it works newracer. The manufacturer has a list of all serial numbers, and to what FFL those were sold, then the paper trail begins. Each FFL keeps their own record of the firearms they sell and to whom and when.... When LE took possession of his guns, they can trace them from the manufacturer through the chain to the FFL. There is not a "registry" in Colorado. It's a pointless waste of tax payer money.

[MountainMax74]

Radio traffic as events unfolded:
http://radiocapture.com/aurora-00-59_04-00-blue-se.mp3

I hand typed the address so if there is an error I apologize.

This was some compelling listening. Thanks BP...

[Singlestack]

According to an email blast from Dudley Brown this afternoon, AMC theatres is a no-Gun (i.e. free fire) zone. I couldn't find any mention on their website of a firearms policy, but they may well have one but not post on their site.

Singlestack

[DeusExMachina]

Why do people keep referencing AMC? This is a Cinemark theater...

[cofi]

According to an email blast from Dudley Brown this afternoon, AMC theatres is a no-Gun (i.e. free fire) zone. I couldn't find any mention on their website of a firearms policy, but they may well have one but not post on their site.

Singlestack

All there theateres have huge no firearm signs right on the front door......concealed means concealed

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[GilpinGuy]

One day I would like to see headlines:

25 people with minor gunshot wounds...active shooter SMOKED by citizen legally carrying side arm.

To bad it wouldn't make national news. This is all so tragic. Thoughts go out to the families and friends.

Not quite that, but close.

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[Mtn.man]

Perps can't read.

[Pacman89]

One day I would like to see headlines:

25 people with minor gunshot wounds...active shooter SMOKED by citizen legally carrying side arm.

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY with less wounded preferrably! thoughts and prayers to the victims families

[Mtn.man]

All in all this should not be shocking. If a person is intent on making himself famous (read mental issues) by killing innocent people, then why not seek out a place where there are large #'s unarmed where you can be in complete charge of the situation.

[SA Friday]

[MOD] Look people, lets self mod on this site and especially this thread. Its simple. This is the number one news story in this country and is going international. If you wouldn't want to see your post with your name next to it in print, don't post it.

[BuffCyclist]

Haven't seen this article posted yet, rather creepy once you get to the bottom of it with the neighbor and the music. Holmes' neighbors say he was "not friendly".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-shooting_n_1690455.html?icid=maing-grid7|netscape|dl1|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D182149

Last part of the story for those who can't click link:


Kaitlyn Fonzi said she lives in the apartment directly beneath the one where Holmes lived. She and her boyfriend were trying to go to sleep Thursday when, at midnight, techno music started blaring from upstairs.

“We heard very loud music coming so I walked upstairs and banged on the door,” Fonzi, a 20-year old biology student at the University of Colorado at Denver, said on Friday.

Fonzi said when she banged on the door, it rattled as if it were unlocked. "I contemplated poking my head in and saying, 'Yo, shut that off.'"

Instead, Fonzi said she went back downstairs and called a non-emergency police number. She said the bass-heavy music kept blasting, as if it was just one song on repeat, until it abruptly stopped at 1:00 a.m. She and her boyfriend figured the music had been on a timer.

Fonzi said they went to sleep, but were awoken by police an hour later and told to evacuate. When she learned about the shooting she said she was glad she hadn't poked her head in. Police later said Holmes' apartment had been filled with "various incendiary devices and trip wires."

Fonzi said she and her boyfriend had never had a problem with their upstairs neighbor before. "It was like nobody lived there," she said.

[DOC]

There are some things that are going to happen:
The hindsight is going to great.
The anti gun people are going to say if all guns were banned or heavily regulated more than the 20,000 laws that they have now weren't enough.
The pro gun people are going to say if there was a person there to shoot back this wouldn't have happened.
The press are not going to be able to count. There is going to be wild numbers flying around all over the place.
The press is going to blame the guns and quietly fade away from the whole story if it comes out he's a liberal.
I'm going to side with the pro gunner side because he is a coward and would have run away like a whipped dog if someone would have shot back. If not killed him and ended it sooner not getting him a chance to walk back to his car.
But the people with political agenda's are going into wide open throttle right now getting their pet projects ready.
The main thing to remember here is how to we keep this from happening again. Columbine will get thrown out here like its something we need reminded of. But something they won't say is that Columbine should have been the eye opening moment for stopping the moment for glory hungry little dick cowards to attack a group of unarmed people. Instead of getting bogged down in the back and forth fight over banning all guns and protecting our rights. In the end nothing productive gets done.
Even more tragic is the faux emotions from the people that don't care and are not effected by this but will use it to their own ends with laws and politics.
I feel for the families and survivors, because they are my brothers and sisters here in Colorado and it wounds me that this has happened again. Did anything that has happened since Columbine stopped these from happening? We need to step up self defense by carrying all the time, because the anti gunners are going to be stepping up the move to ban guns. Its never worked in the past but they have emotional rhetoric on their side and have a psychopathic indifference to use it if it helps their goals. It maybe to soon. I'm sorry but in the long run keeping the people who were hurt and preventing this from happening again by the deterrent of meeting a murderer on equal terms is going to be the best course of action. Not short term bad ideas with long term damage to the country.
This pisses me off.

[Chad4000]

Haven't seen this article posted yet, rather creepy once you get to the bottom of it with the neighbor and the music. Holmes' neighbors say he was "not friendly".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-shooting_n_1690455.html?icid=maing-grid7|netscape|dl1|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D182149


whoa.. you arent kidding....

[newracer]

That's not how it works newracer. The manufacturer has a list of all serial numbers, and to what FFL those were sold, then the paper trail begins. Each FFL keeps their own record of the firearms they sell and to whom and when.... When LE took possession of his guns, they can trace them from the manufacturer through the chain to the FFL. There is not a "registry" in Colorado. It's a pointless waste of tax payer money.

Exactly my point, there is not supposed to be a gun registry but effectively there is.

[Sawin]

Wouldn't the New Life Church shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings) fit that description?

Yes, it's a great example. Things can turn out differently, even in the worst of conditions like this.... had a ccw holder been present and responded with defensive fire, I sincerely doubt there would have been any more damage than Holmes did himself. They could have only diverted attention to themselves, possibly allowing innocents to escape, or they may have been successful in stopping these murders sooner... Sadly we will never know. I just pray we don't lose the right to protect ourselves and family's over all of this.

[SuperiorDG]

[MOD] Look people, lets self mod on this site and especially this thread. Its simple. This is the number one news story in this country and is going international. If you wouldn't want to see your post with your name next to it in print, don't post it.

Good point. Thanks for all the hard work today and the days to come.

[Ronin13]

Just crazy. Sick people. I had a little issue this morning (phone died last night and so my alarm didn't go off) over slept and once my phone had enough charge it went nuts. Apparently the gal I work with got a phone call from my mom who hadn't heard from my brother (who lives at her house) looking for us and wondering what we knew. The gal told my mom that we had gone to see Batman last night (which we did not) and my mom freaked. But why would we go from Lakewood/Evergreen all the way to Aurora? Still she called hospitals inquiring about us. Very scary. I feel terrible that she had to have that moment of panic.

Thoughts and prayers with the families and victims, and my prayers for this psychopath, may God have mercy on his soul, because Lady Justice surely should not show him one ounce of mercy. I also pray for some clarity for those who falsely believe that banning law-abiding folks from owning/purchasing firearms will help anything as it will only make it so the wolves (criminals) are the only ones with guns and the rest of the sheep have no sheep dogs (gun owners) to protect them.

[PSS]

there are lowers out there with the shelf already for a drop in auto sear.

the sear could have been fabricated, could have been bought illegally, or purchased from an M16 parts kit. Either way it would be illegal.

Just wanted to clarify something. A D.I.A.S. is not simply "purchased from an M16 parts kit". It's an apparatus made to use in a receiver that does not have the third hole for the sear that makes full auto possible.

Just wanted to make that connection in case someone is reading this and thinks you can simply order a part that is commonly available that will drop into a semi-auto AR15 to make it fully automatic. D.I.A.S. are heavily regulated as a machine gun by the ATF. To make a m16 auto sear work in an ar15 you would need to modify the receiver to accept the auto sear or machine a D.I.A.S.

[spongejosh]

Exactly my point, there is not supposed to be a gun registry but effectively there is.

It's not a registry because there are no names associated with the serial numbers. FFL's have to track serials and submit them to the feds.

If they didn't have the serial numbers of his guns they wouldn't have been able to track them.

[johngraves2]

Kyle Clark on 9News has been doing a great job emphasizing and correcting false reports that the shooter used automatic weapons, and making sure everyone knows he used semi-autos. He is really working hard on-air to clarify the difference between the two and how semi autos are perfectly legal to own and are used by safe and responsible shooters across the country.

If you aren't watching that channel you should, just to support their desire to accurately report on firearms. He also keeps mentioning that they have been talking with numerous experts on firearms to learn more facts about the weapons used and not false facts reported by people who are unfamiliar with firearms.

[ChunkyMonkey]

The anti gunners are all over FB, Twitters etc. I didnt realize I have wasted 3 hours arguing few folks out there.

I got called racist despite that there is no mention of races in our disagreement.

Wow!! These guys are real quick in politicizing any tragedy.

[DOC]

It's not a registry because there are no names associated with the serial numbers. FFL's have to track serials and submit them to the feds.

If they didn't have the serial numbers of his guns they wouldn't have been able to track them.
The FFl has your name on that little 4473 form that you filled out when you bought the gun for the standard background check. Post facto registry.

[Wiggity]

The anti gunners are all over FB, Twitters etc. I didnt realize I have wasted 3 hours arguing few folks out there.

I got called racist despite that there is no mention of races in our disagreement.

Wow!! These guys are real quick in politicizing any tragedy.


I have been involved in numerous debates with emotionally fuelled anti's, DO NOT make statements. The only way to argue with those people is to question their behavior.

EX:

Why are you letting your emotions get in the way of your ability to reason?

How is calling me names accomplishing your goals?

What are you trying to accomplish by insulting fellow human beings?

Why are you incapable of separating racism and firearms in your head?


Effective questioning is the only way to debate with these people.

[DOC]

The anti gunners are all over FB, Twitters etc. I didnt realize I have wasted 3 hours arguing few folks out there.

I got called racist despite that there is no mention of races in our disagreement.

Wow!! These guys are real quick in politicizing any tragedy.
I feel you there bro.
If they really think about it calling a gun a murderer without knowing shit about it or even know that a gun is a hulk of metal. Is kinda racist. They just run across the street when they see one assume the worst about it because of what it is not because of its use. I guess they have become what they feel and care about the most.

I have seen the busy-body ban everything people come out of their scratch holes in full force today. Its pathetic.

[Uberjager]

Read through all 33 pages, before posting this. He made a thread on 4chan two days ago saying he was going to shoot up a movie theater, and that he planned to escape. When I saw the thread I got an uneasy feeling, but knowing that this happened makes me feel so unwell.

[00tec]

Read through all 33 pages, before posting this. He made a thread on 4chan two days ago saying he was going to shoot up a movie theater, and that he planned to escape. When I saw the thread I got an uneasy feeling, but knowing that this happened makes me feel so unwell.

Source?

[Uberjager]

Source?

I just saw it when I was surfing 4chan on my phone, and I didn't screen cap it. I surfed again this morning, and /b/ was all over it.

[cofi]

Read through all 33 pages, before posting this. He made a thread on 4chan two days ago saying he was going to shoot up a movie theater, and that he planned to escape. When I saw the thread I got an uneasy feeling, but knowing that this happened makes me feel so unwell.

Link????

[DOC]

I have been involved in numerous debates with emotionally fuelled anti's, DO NOT make statements. The only way to argue with those people is to question their behavior.

EX:

Why are you letting your emotions get in the way of your ability to reason?

How is calling me names accomplishing your goals?

What are you trying to accomplish by insulting fellow human beings?

Why are you incapable of separating racism and firearms in your head?


Effective questioning is the only way to debate with these people.
They call that an "Ad Hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)" attack. Like when the liberals say "I seen a person with a Palin bumper sticker on their car and I think they should be drug out of their car and beat to death". And I say "What the f is wrong with you? What would make you say something like that?" They pull that Ad Hominem card like Obama pulls the race card in defense of their horrible statement. Yeah, like there is something seriously f'd up in my head to ask that. Compared with them saying someone should be beat for having a bumper sticker.
But you are right. Their is no reason to avoid the obvious that a person saying this tragedy is racist or anything else crazy. One should make sure the person saying such things is not totally crazy for agreeing with them even if its to humor them.

[Uberjager]

Link????

No link but just pulled this off 4chan http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/uberjager/fafa8a5f.jpg

[Ridge]

Link????

4chan threads last only a day or two before expiring and being deleted.

[00tec]

No link but just pulled this off 4chan http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/uberjager/fafa8a5f.jpg

Unless there is a direct link to the original post, I'm gonna call BS.

Even if you search for the anonymous user id, there are no hits dated prior to today.

[Ridge]

No link but just pulled this off 4chan http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/uberjager/fafa8a5f.jpg

Most of the time these are fake. He says he bought a gun. This guy had four.

[Chad4000]

^^ yeah thats what I was thinking too

[theGinsue]

Friends, this site is DEFINITELY under the scrutiny of multiple news sources from around the globe. I've seen new accounts today from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and USA Today and I've just gotten started looking at them.

If news sources are checking us out, you know the government is as well.

We need to be especially mindful of what we say and how we portray ourselves and firearms in general.

I know that every member here is a good decent person and we come from all walks of life, but there will certainly be those who will attempt to portray a passion for firearms as something sick and twisted due to the actions of an evil and sick individual. Let's ensure the world see's the best that we can be and maybe they might realize that it's the individual, not the tool, that must be vilified here.

Ginsue

[Ridge]

Pic is from the Denver Post.

Is that the shooter's gun??

http://director.denverpost.com/p.php?a=JSUgMSI4bHFba35wfHZgVHZic2Z9bnhddG5mbnZ7aX JNJzY9QFtUKDs6MSsoODsyJiMzOSc6Lj4zJTAuJzc5JyItIyY7 PzEmPjI%3D&m=1342819016

[Wulf202]

it is likely the shooters rifle, car and pistol on the car.

[Caithford]

Shooter had an AR-15, a glock .40, and a remington semi-auto shotgun. 71 people were shot, I think the death toll is latest at 15.

[00tec]

Something looks weird about that rifle... From the Denver Post

[Graves]

What looks weird about it? Looks like a sling distorting the profile to me.

[HoneyBadger]

Wow, I was in a sealed room all morning, just got home from work and heard about all of this... Very sad indeed. We should all spend less time arguing on forums and more time praying for the victims, their families, and everyone else affected. Think about all the kids who were in that theater... This is so darned awful it makes me sick to my stomach.

I don't even care what this guy's affiliation is. Compassion is a key element that defines humanity and an act like this is just not human.

For anyone who wonders where the CCW holders were that night, I cannot imagine trying to shoot accurately while choking on tear gas (I've done that before... it's darn near impossible) WHILE in a very dark room with only flashing lights from the screen, AND with innocent people running everywhere, AND at probably more than 20 yds away.. I am not that skilled of a shooter.

[trlcavscout]

Shooter had an AR-15, a glock .40, and a remington semi-auto shotgun. 71 people were shot, I think the death toll is latest at 15.


Very sad! Prayers for the families, rott in hell to the psycho!

[Mazin]

I have been a member since 2009, in my eyes this sight has developed into one of the biggest, closest, information rich local sites on the net. I also see the biggest focus of this sight being SAFETY in the use of our firearms and education of the general public about our chosen platform and firearms in general.

We can change peoples opinion about the sport and firearms owners in general. We need to watch certain stupid comments and put emotions in check because more than ever we can have a positive voice in a uneducated media.

These families affected are going to need support and the general public is going to need an example of responsible, caring gun owners. I take this attack very personal as I'm sure most of you do as well, maybe we can figure some way to help.

[Singlestack]

Channel 9 guy said it was a Colt AR, and not a S&W. I guess that means its not a S&W 15-22?

Singlestack

[00tec]

What looks weird about it? Looks like a sling distorting the profile to me.

Wasn't thinking sling. Good call.

[josh7328]

That is a VERY disturbing picture. EDIT: I really hope that somebody got a tourniquette/quick-clot/pressure dressing on that wound quickly. I can't imagine the terror.

[keylay31]

This guy is disgusting. It's people like him that make me lock the doors at night and own firearms to protect my family. To all the anti-gun people out there, keep in mind that laws are only followed by law abiding individuals...

[Ridge]

Channel 9 guy said it was a Colt AR, and not a S&W. I guess that means its not a S&W 15-22?

Singlestack

More than likely because Colt makes "THE" AR-15.

[TriggerHappy]

Friends, this site is DEFINITELY under the scrutinity of multiple news sources from around the globe. I've seen new accounts today from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and USA Today and I've just gotten started looking at them.

If news sources are checking us out, you know the government is as well.

We need to be especially mindful of what we say and how we portray ourselves and firearms in general.

I know that every member here is a good decent person and we come from all walks of life, but there will certainly be those who will attempt to portray a passion for firearms as something sick and twisted due to the actions of an evil and sick individual. Let's ensure the world see's the best that we can be and maybe they might realize that it's the individual, not the tool, that must be vilified here.

Ginsue

Good post. Couldn't agree more.

[BigDee]

Channel 9 guy said it was a Colt AR, and not a S&W. I guess that means its not a S&W 15-22?

Singlestack

I wonder if it's the same guy who said the shooter had a 40MM Glock. A 40MM Glock has got to be one heavy ass gun..

[SuperiorDG]

For anyone who wonders where the CCW holders were that night, I cannot imagine trying to shoot accurately while choking on tear gas (I've done that before... it's darn near impossible) WHILE in a very dark room with only flashing lights from the screen, AND with innocent people running everywhere, AND at probably more than 20 yds away.. I am not that skilled of a shooter.

This is very true. I just took a defensive shooting class and a few things I know now that I assume before to be correct are no longer so.

Shooting in low light is hard and sometimes is only a guess based on what you last saw.

When someone is shooting at you all reason and planning go out the window. So unless you are very well trained you may not act correctly.

Stay safe people and send good thoughts to the victims.

[josh7328]

I wonder if it's the same guy who said the shooter had a 40MM Glock. A 40MM Glock has got to be one heavy ass gun..
Haha! I've fired a 40mm handgun (the Army's new grenade launcher) That thing's a BEAST! It's definately no .40 cal!

[nontactical]

I understand that all of us here are firearms enthusiasts, but in light of yet another mass murder, it is time for us to look at some cold hard facts.

The media has made it clear that this morning's events were the fault of the guns and the tea party. From this, we can draw only one logical conclusion: Your guns snuck out in the middle of the night and joined the tea party, and you did nothing to stop it. You need to accept some responsibility here.

[speedysst]

Thats the whole problem. I've owned guns for a long time, including some types that have been used by military units worldwide. Now, once again, I have to defend my reasons for having them even though I've never so much as shot a living tree with them. None of that matters though since all gun owners/tea party supporters and the NRA are the epitome of evil in the eyes of the liberals and the media. Im sick of it.

[Wiggity]

All of you people bitching about the media/anti-gun morons to no avail need to shut up for a little bit and get into this thread


http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=57658

[DOC]

If the country as a whole would recoil in livid disdain for gun grabbing talk the way they do for say new taxes and forced medical insurance. The whole thing wouldn't get turned into a political nightmare.

[BPTactical]

I am curious to know what the perps true political affiliation is if any......the TP myth had been debunked last I knew and IIRC he was tied in with an OWS group.

[Adawg38]

9 news has given the ok to film his court which starts on monday. Sorry if this was posted already but there are a butt load of pages to read since my first post this morning. I wanna see this guy fry. All though I feel no amount of justice will be given to him for what he's done. 71 shot and 12 dead is a great deal of pain to everyone in the whole US.

[Adawg38]

Didn't his mom say the police "got the right guy" as in, she knew he'd lost it? Clearly she, and likely many others knew that he was off the wall, or getting close.... same thing with the Loughner fellow in AZ. We really need to get better mental health services in this country, for our ailing servicemen, as well as the distressed citizen. The stigma around ptsd, depression, anxiety, etc needs to change immediately.... if it doesn't these tragedies will continue and it leads to stricter gun control.

+1
Had a girlfriend addicted to pain meds. Died last May. Couldn't get her help because of no ins or $$$. + she didn't care. Only thing to do was use the courts to force her to a hospital which was also almost impossible. Same goes to people with mental issues.

[cofi]

Something looks weird about that rifle... From the Denver Post

Looks like a middy a2 upper with one of those magpul ubr stocks that weigh 10 pounds......on my kindle anyway

[Skully]

First my thoughts and condolences go out to the victims and families of this tragic event.




I heard about this morning thought to myself how "out of control" the news media was going to go and sure enough they did.

My mom, who I am not very close with and haven't spoken since last May '11 calls me concerned if I was okay and not at the theater. ???????? I told her I went to the range today as was planned a week ago and shot my AR's. She was in shock I would do that............

Little baffled at her thoughts but made me think how people who do not understand or are familiar might think watching the news.

This thread exploded like crazy and not much I can add since so many of my thoughts are right along with most of you guys.
I will add I am disgusted at the news media, politicians, and anti gun idiots who are using this tragedy to bring light to their personal agenda's.

The "lets blame the object or pass the buck and not blame the person who did it" USA.

[UncleDave]

Alright i have been lurking long enough. My only comment is this. This sorry piece of trash has destroyed countless lives, and he should get what he deserves without the attention he obviously craves. As for the media circus, anyone who would politicise this tragic event before the bodies are even removed from the scene shame on you. That goes for both sides of the issue. My two cents. I'm out.

[keylay31]

Now 9news has computer generated reproductions of what went on. An animated man with a shot gun on tv. Will the media ever understand where the line is so suddenly after an event?!?

[Ronin13]

This is scary, Aurora PD reports that the shooter identified himself as "the Joker" upon arrest. I fear we may not see an answer to the question why. If anyone knows much about the Dark Knight comics, the new Joker is the representation of chaos, there is no reason but to disrupt the status quo and create more chaos. Rewatch The Dark Knight and focus on Ledger's Joker, it might give some insight into the motives behind this sick fvck.

I think the shooting community needs to step up and stress to those not in the know that these "active shooters" that pull this depraved, heinous and horrible crap are a very small number of gun owners, like fraction of a percent. It's terrible that it takes a tragedy like this to bring us together, but like with Columbine, and 9/11 and other terrible events, it shows that we as Americans rise up and come together as one, and I think that is the one good thing that can come out of these horrible horrible acts. They need to try this guy as a terrorist.

[Cylinder Head]

Watching the Aurora police chief make a statement right now.
Over the past six weeks he bought 4 weapons (AR, 2 .40sw Glocks, and the 870)
Over the Internet he bought thousands of rounds for the guns, as well as a number of mags for the AR and a beta mag.

[Fentonite]

I heard a "journalist" on the radio say that "there's a commonality among the people who commit these mass gun-killings, and that is that they are all gun owners". She went on to infer that all gun owners are a suspect group, and every one of us is just a paranoid moment away from another massacre. That's like saying that since all car crashes are caused by car-owners, then every driver is a lurking threat who is a danger to society. Ridiculous, but I'm afraid some people are buying it. I'm saddened by the senseless loss of life, and pray for the survivors and family. I'm also offended by the insinuation that I could be a potential mass murderer, just because I enjoy my 2nd Amendment rights. This is a sad, sad day. I'm all for the Fundraiser idea, and will help any way I can.

[blacklabel]

I think the shooting community needs to step up and stress to those not in the know that these "active shooters" that pull this depraved, heinous and horrible crap are a very small number of gun owners, like fraction of a percent.

Using round numbers (10 "active shooters" & roughly 55 million firearms owners in the US), 0.0000182% of firearms owners have committed this type of act. I certainly don't want to diminish the impact that this has on us as communities, families, and individuals but the general public needs to understand that we should be focusing on the mind behind the tool and not the tool itself.

I know I'm preaching to the choir but wanted to put a rough figure with your thought.

[Ronin13]

Using round numbers (10 "active shooters" & roughly 55 million firearms owners in the US), 0.0000182% of firearms owners have committed this type of act. I certainly don't want to diminish the impact that this has on us as communities, families, and individuals but the general public needs to understand that we should be focusing on the mind behind the tool and not the tool itself.

I know I'm preaching to the choir but wanted to put a rough figure with your thought.

Thanks for sharing that... wow, that is a very very minute number.
I wish the anti's would stop with this illogical stupidity, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I really wish the Aurora PD Chief would stop saying "clips," he said magazines earlier... nit picking I know. I feel so bad for the cops that arrived on scene first and drove people to the hospital in their cars, that is something I hope no one ever has to witness and experience. +1 to the brave folks with the LE, FD, and EMS that responded to this tragic event, and my prayers are also with them in hopes that they never have to go through something like this ever again, and they get the help needed to cope and know that from my experiences in combat in Afghanistan, this is something that stays with you forever and those images will never leave your mind and haunt you. I pray for everyone who had to go through this horrific experience.

[trlcavscout]

Now 9news has computer generated reproductions of what went on. An animated man with a shot gun on tv. Will the media ever understand where the line is so suddenly after an event?!?

That and you know its not right, the cops are still trying to figure it all out how the hell is the media who have no clue whats going on gonna have the answers? They need to shut the hell up until they have the facts.

[Byte Stryke]

want to know what happens when you take away guns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

General Habyarimana imported 581,000 machetes from China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China)[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#cite_note-14)

[blacklabel]

They need to shut the hell up until they have the facts.

It would actually be some form of responsible journalism if they waited for the facts. The main stream news is little more than entertainment.

[C.hud]

I've heard about it all day when at work. Sad and tragic event, my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by this.

I hope the guy that committed this gets the death penalty and burns in hell for what he did.

Would be nice if just for one day politicians, reporters, and everyone else didnt throw blame at gun owners or try to turn it political.

[th3w01f]

want to know what happens when you take away guns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

Smaller scale but more recent - http://www.christianpost.com/news/syria-troops-shell-houla-massacre-site-as-survivors-recount-horror-75860/ (http://www.christianpost.com/news/syria-troops-shell-houla-massacre-site-as-survivors-recount-horror-75860/)

[Ronin13]

I've heard about it all day when at work. Sad and tragic event, my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by this.

I hope the guy that committed this gets the death penalty and burns in hell for what he did.

Would be nice if just for one day politicians, reporters, and everyone else didnt throw blame at gun owners or try to turn it political.

Well put with that 3rd part. Gov. Hickenlooper (I'll refrain from jokes on his name) said that he will be prosecuted at a state level and could face the death penalty... we can only hope. I pray that he smells the sweet smell of the fear of death as that paralyzing agent is coursing through his veins, and he burns in hell afterward for eternity.

[th3w01f]

Been watching 9 news and they must have said 6000 rounds of ammunition, purchased legally at least 20 times in the last 10 minutes. Would 200 have made any difference?

[cstone]

Been watching 9 news and they must have said 6000 rounds of ammunition, purchased legally at least 20 times in the last 10 minutes. Would 200 have made any difference?

As an avowed environmentalist, I hate to see the Earth's precious resources wasted. When the judicial action is completed in this case, it would be nice to be able to recycle some the said 6000 rounds of ammunition. I know right where I would dispose of all those horrible jacketed and toxic lead bullets. The brass cases would be lovingly restored to a useful purpose and the cycle of use would continue.[Flower]

[th3w01f]

WOW, the woman on 9 news just said that people are desensitized to violence because they see so much of it and that they as the media are responsible for a lot of it. She may not have a job next week.

[th3w01f]

As an avowed environmentalist, I hate to see the Earth's precious resources wasted. When the judicial action is completed in this case, it would be nice to be able to recycle some the said 6000 rounds of ammunition. I know right where I would dispose of all those horrible jacketed and toxic lead bullets. The brass cases would be lovingly restored to a useful purpose and the cycle of use would continue.[Flower]

Completely agree.

[Byte Stryke]

Well put with that 3rd part. Gov. Hickenlooper (I'll refrain from jokes on his name) said that he will be prosecuted at a state level and could face the death penalty... we can only hope. I pray that he smells the sweet smell of the fear of death as that paralyzing agent is coursing through his veins, and he burns in hell afterward for eternity.


I would love for Holmes to face a firing squad.

call it poetic justice

[jonny450r]

WOW, the woman on 9 news just said that people are desensitized to violence because they see so much of it and that they as the media are responsible for a lot of it. She may not have a job next week.
I saw that as well I don't think she'll be employed for too much longer either

[blacklabel]

I would love for Holmes to face a firing squad.

call it poetic justice

It's still an option in Utah. It should be here too. a $.50 round is much cheaper than the other options.

[th3w01f]

It's still an option in Utah. It should be here too. a $.50 round is much cheaper than the other options.

I think a firing squad is far too kind. I think he deserves to face the worst punishment that any of his victim’s families can come up with. In a case like this nothing should be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

[Drucker]

a Jibbet on the courthouse lawn and an old rope would do just fine.

[MarkCO]

Based on national averages, 274 people died today due to alcohol, about 100 of them killed by a drunk person, more than three times that number were sexually assaulted.

No bottle of booze nor sexual organ ever prevented a murder...but firearms help prevent death every day...think about it.

[th3w01f]

Based on national averages, 274 people died today due to alcohol, about 100 of them killed by a drunk person, more than three times that number were sexually assaulted.

No bottle of booze nor sexual organ ever prevented a murder...but firearms help prevent death every day...think about it.

I agree with your post and I think the same punishment I mentioned should stand for most severe crimes.... not an eye for an eye but the family making the decision on the punishment. If they want to let the drunk who killed their daughter go free then so be it (ok that would suck but I still think it's better than our current system).

On the lighter side, but still related to your post....
"You see, if old Corky had had two guns instead of just a big dick, he'd would have been there right to the end to defend himself. "

[grubby669]

Based on national averages, 274 people died today due to alcohol, about 100 of them killed by a drunk person, more than three times that number were sexually assaulted.

No bottle of booze nor sexual organ ever prevented a murder...but firearms help prevent death every day...think about it.

Quoted for the truth.

[Adawg38]

I heard on 9 news he bought the 4 guns at Gander Mt and Bass Pro in the last 60 days, 2 of the most expensive gun shops(not important) and 6000rds online all legally. Oh great how does that look? 6000 rds I don't think is even important because he didn't even use close to that to do his damage. Now they will probably say we need to limit the amount of ammo purchased and guns in a certain amount of time. My deepest sympathy to everyone and +1 to the police response and actions. I am just saying from what I have been hearing today.

[blacklabel]

I heard on 9 news he bought the 4 guns at Gander Mt and Bass Pro in the last 60 days, 2 of the most expensive gun shops(not important) and 6000rds online all legally. Oh great how does that look? 6000 rds I don't think is even important because he didn't even use close to that to do his damage. Now they will probably say we need to limit the amount of ammo purchased and guns in a certain amount of time. My deepest sympathy to everyone and +1 to the police response and actions. I am just saying from what I have been hearing today.

They're going to use the situation to create new legislation regardless of how he came into possession of the firearms he used. If he had purchased them FTF, they'd be fighting for background checks for all sales.

[jerrymrc]

BTW gang. Today has been a handful for us. Please do not take some things to personal. Pk7yqlTMvp8 [Beer]

[GilpinGuy]

"You see, if old Corky had had two guns instead of just a big dick, he'd would have been there right to the end to defend himself. "

Pure awesomeness from one of the best movies ever made IMHO.

[stevew]

Now Fox female reporter says he used a Winchester 870 with a picture having a label under the shotgun as Remington 870. Just gotta love the news and lack of penalties for just saying anything you want without correction.

[Ridge]

Now Fox female reporter says he used a Winchester 870 with a picture having a label under the shotgun as Remington 870. Just gotta love the news and lack of penalties for just saying anything you want without correction.

They have a 24 hour news cycle. They should take 30 fucking seconds to cross check shit they aren't familiar with on Google.

[GilpinGuy]

Now Fox female reporter says he used a Winchester 870 with a picture having a label under the shotgun as Remington 870. Just gotta love the news and lack of penalties for just saying anything you want without correction.

I heard an 850 KOA guy say it was a "10 gauge shotgun". Then a guy on FOX News said "extra round clips" are "a Federal Offense now".

Ignorance abounds in the media. Nothing new.

[Mazin]

They're going to use the situation to create new legislation regardless of how he came into possession of the firearms he used. If he had purchased them FTF, they'd be fighting for background checks for all sales.

That's the driving force that's going to clear the way for obummer getting re elected. He is going to start pushing hard for A.W.B's and the liberals are going to squeal with pleasure and bam its a done done deal. Tell me I'm full of it, look at how much crap against the 2a he tried to sneak in other legislation, all of which he admitted shortly after Tucson when asked about possible new legislation that he had things in the works "Under the radar" (I'm looking for the exact quote).

[cofi]

18000 views that's crazy.....has there been any new updates after noon or so?

[Ridge]

They're going to use the situation to create new legislation regardless of how he came into possession of the firearms he used. If he had purchased them FTF, they'd be fighting for background checks for all sales.

The guns were all purchased from Gander Mtn and Bass Pro in the past 6 months.

[sniper7]

It honestly doesn't matter where he got the guns. Just like a person who buys marijuana illegally. They will find it not matter the legality. What should have been reported is his mental state either by parents or friends. At least then some involvement in his life could have been witnessed to hopefully see something to avoid this tragedy.

[SA Friday]

It's still an option in Utah. It should be here too. a $.50 round is much cheaper than the other options.

No. No, its not. UT still has firing squad on the books, but it was removed for any future executions when they brought in the needle. Only those on death row before lethal injection was brought in had the option to choose it as a method. They used to have hanging too. It also left the table when they brought in lethal injection. The last firing squad execution a few years back was the last one.

[MuzzleFlash]

Based on national averages, 274 people died today due to alcohol, about 100 of them killed by a drunk person, more than three times that number were sexually assaulted.

No bottle of booze nor sexual organ ever prevented a murder...but firearms help prevent death every day...think about it.

Attention media! THIS!! ^^^^^^^^^
I have had to show a firearm once to diffuse a life threatening situation. Not a shot was fired but the attackers quit attacking, turned and ran. I also have a friend in Nevada who used a firearm to save his life when someone high on meth broke into his home and attacked him. Such defensive use of firearms is almost never reported by the media. Have you non-Colorado types heard of Jeanne Assam? I thought not.

[Bitter Clinger]

Just read on denver posts website that one of the girls murdered was a survivor of the toronto mall shooting in june.

[blacklabel]

Just read on denver posts website that one of the girls murdered was a survivor of the toronto mall shooting in june.

Her last blog entry was about that. She actually got a "funny" feeling and left the food court three minutes before the shooting occurred. There's a good article on Deadspin about it.

[Mtn.man]

The guns were all purchased from Gander Mtn and Bass Pro in the past 6 months.


So if you add up the $ for the guns, the ammo, the body armour, etc etc comes cloe to 20K, where did the $$ come from?

[RCCrawler]

So if you add up the $ for the guns, the ammo, the body armour, etc etc comes cloe to 20K, where did the $$ come from?

My guess is he used his school loan money.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I hope this man got his wish.

http://kdvr.com/2012/07/20/video-police-detain-man-enraged-over-loss-of-child-in-aurora-theater-shooting/

[Danimal]

Just read on denver posts website that one of the girls murdered was a survivor of the toronto mall shooting in june.


Her last blog entry was about that. She actually got a "funny" feeling and left the food court three minutes before the shooting occurred. There's a good article on Deadspin about it.

I wish that would have compelled her to get a CCW. How poetic would it have been for her to drop him dead after the first shot or two. This whole situation is so sad.

[WETWRKS]

Anyone notice there has been little talk or questions about the smoke bombs (and in some reports the tear gas)? Unless they are the fuse lit kind they arn't really commonly available.

The only thing I can think of is they may be home made. Along the lines of what he set up in the appartment.

[daknee_k]

So the shooter was supposedly among the top in his class at grad school for med research? (all hearsay) Wonder if the healthcare deal along with his student loans pushed him over? Just one of those shower thoughts.

[EvilRhino]

So the shooter was supposedly among the top in his class at grad school for med research? (all hearsay) Wonder if the healthcare deal along with his student loans pushed him over? Just one of those shower thoughts.

That was something that crossed my mind too. They say about a month ago he stopped going to class and was in the process of dropping out. That's about the same time the SC upheld the Obummertax.

Cost of getting his degree vs. being limited on what you can charge under the new law?

[Scanker19]

He was in a Doctoral program (PhD), not med school.

[Great-Kazoo]

So if you add up the $ for the guns, the ammo, the body armour, etc etc comes cloe to 20K, where did the $$ come from?


C/Cards. Which leads back to the mothers response when contacted by LE. What and when did she know it.

The down side to this outside of hysterics by the brady, bloomberg, ban them all crowd is..............................
Potential for LE visit if purchasing 1K or more of ammo on line.

[battle_sight_zero]

The weapons, gear and ammo were all bought since May. Not to mention the devices in the apartment. The man is a college student, where did he get all the money to fund everything? Possibly a student loan? Did he use funds provided by his family? What about all the Occupied Wall Street connection rumors? Does he have a suicide letter or since his goal may have been to survive what is his agenda? Regardless others knew this person was tettering on the edge.

Sad that those of us who buy bulk ammo may be looked at as potential James Holmes down the road, or if we buy a couple firearms in a short period, or if you sale or trade on a forum etc. That will be a waste of time , the people who will be most effective in stopping violence are the people close or interact with them. The mother knew something, it appears this guy posted in forums what he was going to do, so where are those people responsibilities that chatted with him? Quite frankly if I saw anything suspicious in this forum I would report that person in a heartbeat. However quite frankly most of the posts I see in here are from people passionate about 2a rights and generally being responsible. My two cents is that like what was done in school safety the focus should be on awareness of potential violent behaviors. Countless violent acts in k-12 ed have been thwarted by family members and peers taking that approach since Columbine. Perhaps this terrible situation will have people thinking about that crazy family member or the forum member spewing crazy things.

[josh7328]

Her last blog entry was about that. She actually got a "funny" feeling and left the food court three minutes before the shooting occurred. There's a good article on Deadspin about it.
That "funny feeling" will save your life if you listen to it.

[cofi]

Any updates or anything??? I'm newsless all day :(

[Ronin13]

He was in a Doctoral program (PhD), not med school.

From what I know, we're friends with a guy who has his PhD, and MD in Neuroscience- not cheap. A lot of people are wondering how he afforded all this, some are even saying he was collecting unemployment- which I believe is probably false. 9News reported last night that one of his teachers said that he was very quiet and "socially withdrawn."

In the aftermath of this, especially after seeing one of the survivors interviewed talking about how it will be a very long time before he goes back to a movie theater, one has to wonder, will this taint that industry? Will fear rule over the fact that these instances are rare? Will you go to a movie at a theater anytime soon? Will you think twice before allowing your children to go to a movie theater?

I think looking at this the thing that angers me most is that people immediately see a tragedy and have the desire to politicize it and blame the tools used instead of the attitude and cruelty that some people possess. Guns didn't make this man evil, he was evil and had some serious issues with his mental wiring. Whatever his reasons or motives this is not something we should ignore, gun ownership would not prevent this, so I think the media and others on a crusade against guns need to instead look at what creates monsters like this and go after that- not this fallacy like we saw with Columbine that video games, music, movies, etc makes people like this. I think a lot of questions need to be answered, and what contributed to this man's psychosis and twisted morals? I'm glad he's alive and hope that we can find out why, maybe figure out what went wrong with him to make him do this unspeakable act.

[whitbaby]

It would actually be some form of responsible journalism if they waited for the facts. The main stream news is little more than entertainment.

At first they're all in a race to 'sensationalize' it as much as possible.

Later on they try to out 'sensitivity' each other.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Wonder where he got his information about the guns and gear?

Smoke grenades seemed to dissapear from commercial sale last year- something about the ignitors being classed by BATF as incendiary devices or something??? Ammo2togo used to carry them, but haven't had them in stock for awhile.

Brandon Axelrod telling his story now. Best eyewitness account I've heard.

[Cylinder Head]

I heard an 850 KOA guy say it was a "10 gauge shotgun". Then a guy on FOX News said "extra round clips" are "a Federal Offense now".

Ignorance abounds in the media. Nothing new.

Bo Deedle said that on FOX. He's a former NYPD detective and the vast majority of the populace he has served and protected had their 2A rights stripped from them a long time ago.

Another member of the NY populace that lives a Constitution Free Zone and thinks the rest of the country operates the same way. So glad I left that place.

He said something like "I hate to disagree with the Aurora police chief but I believe those extra round clips are a federal offense".

[Wiggity]

"extra round clips are a federal offense"

1. Its a magazine, not a clip

2. There is nothing "extra" circular about the magazine

3. If by "round" he meant "cartridge," an "extra cartridge mag" does not exist as there is nothing extra about it.

4. It is not a federal offense to have "more circular clip" because they do not exist.

lol

[Scanker19]

From what I know, we're friends with a guy who has his PhD, and MD in Neuroscience- not cheap. A lot of people are wondering how he afforded all this, some are even saying he was collecting unemployment- which I believe is probably false. 9News reported last night that one of his teachers said that he was very quiet and "socially withdrawn."

In the aftermath of this, especially after seeing one of the survivors interviewed talking about how it will be a very long time before he goes back to a movie theater, one has to wonder, will this taint that industry? Will fear rule over the fact that these instances are rare? Will you go to a movie at a theater anytime soon? Will you think twice before allowing your children to go to a movie theater?

I think looking at this the thing that angers me most is that people immediately see a tragedy and have the desire to politicize it and blame the tools used instead of the attitude and cruelty that some people possess. Guns didn't make this man evil, he was evil and had some serious issues with his mental wiring. Whatever his reasons or motives this is not something we should ignore, gun ownership would not prevent this, so I think the media and others on a crusade against guns need to instead look at what creates monsters like this and go after that- not this fallacy like we saw with Columbine that video games, music, movies, etc makes people like this. I think a lot of questions need to be answered, and what contributed to this man's psychosis and twisted morals? I'm glad he's alive and hope that we can find out why, maybe figure out what went wrong with him to make him do this unspeakable act.

I went last night to see Dark Knight at 7. It was pretty empty for being opening night of such an anticipated movie. I did sit near the exit, seemed most were avoiding those as well.

If the news reported every car accident no one would ever drive again.

[blacklabel]

I hope this man got his wish.

http://kdvr.com/2012/07/20/video-police-detain-man-enraged-over-loss-of-child-in-aurora-theater-shooting/

I can't imagine what he's going through. As a father, my heart goes out to all the families that were torn apart by what has happened.

[Ronin13]

I went last night to see Dark Knight at 7. It was pretty empty for being opening night of such an anticipated movie. I did sit near the exit, seemed most were avoiding those as well.

If the news reported every car accident no one would ever drive again.

Not to derail too much, but was it at least a good movie? I feared that this would probably be the most anticipated summer movie for a while and that this tragedy would probably hurt it and not many would go. Remember how hesitant parents were to send their kids to school after Columbine? Remember how hesitant people were to fly after 9/11? We're strong, we won't let something like this change our lifestyle, I hope a sense of normalcy will return soon and again, my thoughts and prayers with everyone effected by this.

[SA Friday]

Sorry, but I just cannot see this shooting being stopped by a CCW holder. Either way, its speculation, but with sight impairing grenades initially employed, the film being distorted through the smoke/haze, people running everywhere, the lights are off, the reports of a shotgun and then a rifle...

I'm getting the hell out of there and not thinking of returning fire. The chances of getting a shot off (short of standing next to the shooter) with any accuracy would have to be little to no chance. Getting a shot off on an unarmored part of his body is even less. Sorry, but this is simply a leave the gun in the holster and get the hell out of dodge situation.

[10mm-man]

Sorry, but I just cannot see this shooting being stopped by a CCW holder. Either way, its speculation, but with sight impairing grenades initially employed, the film being distorted through the smoke/haze, people running everywhere, the lights are off, the reports of a shotgun and then a rifle...

I'm getting the hell out of there and not thinking of returning fire. The chances of getting a shot off (short of standing next to the shooter) with any accuracy would have to be little to no chance. Getting a shot off on an unarmored part of his body is even less. Sorry, but this is simply a leave the gun in the holster and get the hell out of dodge situation.

Yea, many have already said that.....

[Fmedges]

Sorry, but I just cannot see this shooting being stopped by a CCW holder. Either way, its speculation, but with sight impairing grenades initially employed, the film being distorted through the smoke/haze, people running everywhere, the lights are off, the reports of a shotgun and then a rifle...

I'm getting the hell out of there and not thinking of returning fire. The chances of getting a shot off (short of standing next to the shooter) with any accuracy would have to be little to no chance. Getting a shot off on an unarmored part of his body is even less. Sorry, but this is simply a leave the gun in the holster and get the hell out of dodge situation.

In a movie theater your pretty much stuck as the exists are a huge bottleneck. This guy was wearing armor which is bulky a helmet which is awkward a gas mask which I know us hard as shit to see anything let alone aim with and all while shooting. Combine that with low light conditions and I say the best way to stop him is to close the distance. I'd rather die going toward him that not.

[cofi]

Sorry, but I just cannot see this shooting being stopped by a CCW holder. Either way, its speculation, but with sight impairing grenades initially employed, the film being distorted through the smoke/haze, people running everywhere, the lights are off, the reports of a shotgun and then a rifle...

I'm getting the hell out of there and not thinking of returning fire. The chances of getting a shot off (short of standing next to the shooter) with any accuracy would have to be little to no chance. Getting a shot off on an unarmored part of his body is even less. Sorry, but this is simply a leave the gun in the holster and get the hell out of dodge situation.

I 100% agree so many armchair commandos on other forums are talking about headshots from the back of the theater or rushing the dude with a knife....cmon

[10mm-man]

In a movie theater your pretty much stuck as the exists are a huge bottleneck. This guy was wearing armor which is bulky a helmet which is awkward a gas mask which I know us hard as shit to see anything let alone aim with and all while shooting. Combine that with low light conditions and I say the best way to stop him is to close the distance. I'd rather die going toward him that not.

Dude, remember your dealing with folks who pick up the phone and call for help! You been trained to be the one who they call..... Most CCW carriers have a lack of training and wouldn't even have a clue how to close the distance or advance on the subject if possible.

They never learned "tactics" and prob only put 1000 rounds down a range @ a paper target. My point is they have limited training.

I am on your side however, close with and destroy the enemy....

[Chad4000]

In a movie theater your pretty much stuck as the exists are a huge bottleneck. This guy was wearing armor which is bulky a helmet which is awkward a gas mask which I know us hard as shit to see anything let alone aim with and all while shooting. Combine that with low light conditions and I say the best way to stop him is to close the distance. I'd rather die going toward him that not.


agreed here... close distance. do your best... at least you tried...

[BPTactical]

Curious thing is that a 24 yo college student who is apparently very intelligent leaving virtually no electronic footprint.

[10mm-man]

Curious thing is that a 24 yo college student who is apparently very intelligent leaving virtually no electronic footprint.

I am sure there was help from somewhere!

[XC700116]

Sorry, but I just cannot see this shooting being stopped by a CCW holder. Either way, its speculation, but with sight impairing grenades initially employed, the film being distorted through the smoke/haze, people running everywhere, the lights are off, the reports of a shotgun and then a rifle...

I'm getting the hell out of there and not thinking of returning fire. The chances of getting a shot off (short of standing next to the shooter) with any accuracy would have to be little to no chance. Getting a shot off on an unarmored part of his body is even less. Sorry, but this is simply a leave the gun in the holster and get the hell out of dodge situation.

absolutely

but then again I tend to overall agree with foxtrot on this one, I'd give it a whirl I think armed or not, but I've never been in any situation like that so I don't know 100% for sure how I'd react, I have no delusions of unscathed success either.

[Chad4000]

IMO the guy likely has the pain tolerance of a limp noodle. He indicated he wanted to commit suicide, yet he meekly surrenders outside. Probably much like the new life shooter, if he had been hit anywhere he may have finished the job himself. We'll never know.


totally agree with that too.. what's to say that getting in the armor wouldn't have slowed him down enough for somebody to tackle him or something? youre right though, no one can know for sure. it would have been a very hard situation......

[Fmedges]

Nobody is arguing that it's a shitty situation. It would take multiple people rushing him to even have a chance and I don't see that happening. I'm just saying that once you throw a gas mask on your losing about 85% of your vision, factor in carrying a heavy load, low light and constant shooting into the mix and the shooter pretty much has lost all of his awareness. Rushing him would most likely be a one way trip, but again it's better than dropping a baby and running.

[SA Friday]

I am sure there was help from somewhere!
A footprint of what? 6000 rounds? Hell, probably half the people I know go through that kind of ammo in a couple of months. Short of him posting some manifesto or multiple posts et al of craziness, there may haven't have been anything. The higher the intelligence, the more organized the crimes. This guy was obviously intelligent and organized. You end up with stuff like the Unibomber and BTK. In both cases, they were only caught because a family member saw behind the curtain. I suspect it was very much the case with Holmes.

[Chad4000]

Nobody is arguing that it's a shitty situation. It would take multiple people rushing him to even have a chance and I don't see that happening. I'm just saying that once you throw a gas mask on your losing about 85% of your vision, factor in carrying a heavy load, low light and constant shooting into the mix and the shooter pretty much has lost all of his awareness. Rushing him would most likely be a one way trip, but again it's better than dropping a baby and running.


lol..

again... totally agree.... [Beer]

[DaBull]

Just read these 44 pages.


PTSD sucks, and alot of these people are going to grapple with it for the rest of their lives.

My wife and I faced an aborted home invasion: a brick tossed through our sliding glass door at 3am. The inner pane didn't break, and the guy took off once the element of surprise was lost. It took a good two years before we stopped waking up in fear at every little sound. Today we don't wake up in fear, we just wake up.


I heard on 9 news he bought the 4 guns at Gander Mt and Bass Pro in the last 60 days, 2 of the most expensive gun shops(not important) and 6000rds online all legally. Oh great how does that look?

The hairdos are repeating this so much (i.e., 4 guns, X thousand rounds, all purchased legally) that I'm starting to get pissed off. This is not the problem and not the lesson to draw from this event.


That's the driving force that's going to clear the way for obummer getting re elected. He is going to start pushing hard for A.W.B's and the liberals are going to squeal with pleasure and bam its a done done deal.

With CO a swing state, you can bet this will play a role in securing CO for Obama. I'm not sure how well Romney can defend a pro-gun position in CO after this event.

All in all, a bad week or month for law abiding gun owners. I appeal to you all to follow all laws and not say things out of anger or frustration that play into the anti-2A crowd.

[Ridge]

I'm not sure how well Romney can defend a pro-gun position in CO after this event.

You think Romney is pro gun? Hah!

[Cylinder Head]

You think Romney is pro gun? Hah!

Agreed. Mass has terrible gun laws.

[Scanker19]

You think Romney is pro gun? Hah!

Interesting read here http://news.yahoo.com/obama-romney-views-evolved-toward-gun-rights-075546394.html

[sniper7]

You think Romney is pro gun? Hah!

Better than Obama, plus we have the house and senate to truly worry about when it comes to our guns.

But the next president gets to select SCOTUS justices. That is the biggest threat in the next 4 years IMO

[Ridge]

Better than Obama

What has Obama done that makes him anti gun?

[jackthewall81]

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120721/US.Colorado.Shooting.Victims/?cid=hero_media

RIP.

[RMAC757]

Not sure about that, all the research I've done suggests Romney had been way more anti-2A as the Govenor of Mass.


Better than Obama, plus we have the house and senate to truly worry about when it comes to our guns.

But the next president gets to select SCOTUS justices. That is the biggest threat in the next 4 years IMO

[GilpinGuy]

What has Obama done that makes him anti gun?

Fast and Furious appeared to be an anti-gun scheme.

[Scanker19]

From the Article I posted a few posts back:

OBAMA
1997-2004: As an Illinois state senator, Obama supports banning all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms, including a failed effort to limit handgun purchases to one per month.
2005: In the U.S. Senate, Obama votes against protecting firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits over misuse of their products by others. The bill is signed into law by President George W. Bush.
2008: During his first presidential campaign, Obama supports a return to the federal ban on assault weapons, which began during the Clinton administration and expired under Bush. He also endorses requiring background checks for buyers at gun shows. The National Rifle Association attacks him as an anti-gun zealot — a stand the group continues to take today.
April 2008: Obama is criticized for elitism after sounding dismissive of gun owners in a talk to campaign donors. He said voters in struggling small towns in Middle America "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" to explain their frustrations.
September 2008: Obama seeks to reassure gun owners: "I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. ... There are some common-sense gun safety laws that I believe in. But I am not going to take your guns away." Nonetheless, gun sales go up when Obama wins, apparently because of fear that new restrictions are imminent under his administration.
2009: As president, Obama signs a law allowing people to carry concealed weapons in the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and other national parks and wildlife refuges and another that lets people carry guns in their checked bags on Amtrak trains.
2010: The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gives Obama a grade of "F'' for failing to push even the gun restrictions he supported while campaigning.
2011: Obama says the shooting that severely wounded then-Rep. Gabriel Giffords, D-Ariz., and killed six people should lead to "a new discussion of how we can keep America safe for all our people." He calls for "sound and effective steps" to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, including strengthening background checks on gun buyers. But he's short on specifics, and the Obama administration hasn't proposed any new gun initiatives since then.
March 2012: Obama calls the fatal shooting of black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida "a tragedy," saying Americans should do some soul-searching and "examine the laws" to figure out why it happened. He hasn't called for any legal changes in response to the case, which mostly brought attention to some states' "stand your ground" laws making it easier for a shooter to claim self-defense. Indeed, most gun regulations are imposed by states. The primary federal law is the Brady law requiring background checks on firearms purchasers.
July 20: Obama says he's heartbroken by the Aurora, Colo., movie theater massacre and calls for Americans to unite in prayer for the victims: "If there's anything to take away from this tragedy it's the reminder that life is very fragile, our time here is limited and it is precious."
Asked whether the mass shooting should prompt a new review of gun laws, White House spokesman Jay Carney declines to comment beyond reiterating Obama's existing stance in support of "common-sense measures that protect Second Amendment rights of Americans, while ensuring that those who should not have guns under existing law do not get them."
___
ROMNEY
1994: In his unsuccessful challenge to liberal Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Romney sounds moderate on guns, supporting an assault weapons ban and insisting, "I don't line up with the NRA."
2002: Running for governor of Massachusetts, Romney says he supports and will protect the state's "tough gun laws." The NRA gives his Democratic opponent a higher rating on gun-rights issues and makes no endorsement in the race.
2003: As governor, Romney upsets gun owners by signing a law that quadruples the state's gun-licensing fee — from $25 to $100 — as part of a widespread effort to eliminate the budget deficit.
2004: Romney signs a Massachusetts ban on assault weapons. He mollifies many gun rights advocates by coupling it with looser rules on gun licenses and an extension of the duration of licenses, reducing the effect of the earlier fee increase.
2005: Declares May 7 as "Right to Bear Arms Day" in Massachusetts.
2006: As he prepares for his first presidential run, Romney becomes a lifetime NRA member.
2007: While campaigning, Romney declares he sometimes hunts "small varmints" — a comment ridiculed by some as an awkward attempt to pander to pro-gun voters.
2008: In a Republican primary debate, Romney says he would have signed the federal assault weapons ban if it came to his desk as president, but he opposes any new gun legislation.
2011: Making his second presidential bid, Romney's campaigns on a promise to protect and promote the Second Amendment.
2012: Romney tells gun owners that Obama wants to erode their rights. "We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners," Romney told the National Rifle Association's annual convention. "President Obama has not. I will."
July 20: Like Obama, Romney avoids talking politics on the day of the Aurora shooting. He says Americans are coming together in their sorrow: "There is something we can do. We can offer comfort to someone near us who is suffering or heavy laden, and we can mourn with those who mourn in Colorado."

I would seem neither can make up their mind, however as the Zen Master would say "We'll see."

[ChunkyMonkey]

What has Obama done that makes him anti gun?

wow!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/11/16/obama-pushing-shooters-off-public-lands

Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2011/07/did-obama-officials-coach-atf-agents-to.html

http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2012/07/the_shrinking_gun_control_cauc.html


Suspicious that the Obama administration would use the scandal to push gun-control bills through Congress, the NRA waded into the contempt battle, even though the White House definitively dismissed those claims. Seventeen House Democrats ultimately voted alongside Republicans to hold Holder in criminal contempt – most of them hailing from moderate districts and facing difficult reelection battles.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/3/obamas-backdoor-gun-ban/


President Obama is afraid of the M1 Garand, the U.S. rifle that helped win World War II, defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Administration officials earlier this year moved to block the government of South Korea from selling vintage U.S.-made M1 Garands and M1 carbines to eager stateside collectors.

[Scanker19]

There was some argument about weather or not the Grands were loaned or sold to Korea, and that if they were loaned then they shouldn't be sold back.

I'd hate for someone to pay $900 plus for a fucked up Big 5 Garand.

It doesn't make sense to ban the importation of the Garands when they allow the importation of AKs and other scarier guns. I think there is more to it than just he don't like no guns.

[sniper7]

Not sure about that, all the research I've done suggests Romney had been way more anti-2A as the Govenor of Mass.

He was a product of his surroundings in MA. Now he is surrounded on a national lever by people who enjoy their freedoms and they are the ones potentially putting him into office.
He is a lifetime member of the NRA
He has flipped to the side of protecting the 2nd in the last 4 years. Typical political move, but I would still rather have him, who will be surrounded by pro-2nd type people than 4 more years of Obama who we see who he surrounds himself with as president.

[RJLou]

What has Obama done that makes him anti gun?

I haven't seen anything he has done as president. Quite the opposite in fact, signing the bill that allowed loaded guns in national parks, and another that allowed guns in baggage on amtrak trains into law... as far as I've seen he's loosened gun laws.

[Mtn.man]

OK so ridge and rjlou need to get a room so you can cuddle and feel all warm about your current POTUS.

[hatidua]

It doesn't make sense to ban the importation of the Garands when they allow the importation of AKs and other scarier guns.

I've shot both, nothing is 'scary' about either - they fire one bullet when you pull the trigger. If you are aiming at a paper plate, the paper plate is not in any more danger with one than with the other. Let's not sensationalize a gun because the media blames it for every incidence of violence ;)

[Scanker19]

He was a product of his surroundings in MA. Now he is surrounded on a national lever by people who enjoy their freedoms and they are the ones potentially putting him into office.


"He only hits me cuz he loves me"

I'm not holding my breath for romeny, or obama. Sometimes I think you guys hate obama so much you'll side with anyone that's not him. That's as dumb as voting for someone Because he's black.

[RJLou]

OK so ridge and rjlou need to get a room so you can cuddle and feel all warm about your current POTUS.

I'm just as worried as you and others that he is sitting on gun control until his second term. IF he does push gun control it won't be until he is re-elected, he knows he needs independent votes of gun owners. So far though, the facts show he has loosened the gun control laws as President.

[sniper7]

I haven't seen anything he has done as president. Quite the opposite in fact, signing the bill that allowed loaded guns in national parks, and another that allowed guns in baggage on amtrak trains into law... as far as I've seen he's loosened gun laws.

apparently you don't understand how those were passed into law.

The national parks allowing concealed weapons was an executive order or "11th hour" decision by Bush Jr.

Obama worked to overturn that decision and it was put on hold thanks to a federal judge decision.

Ultimately the allowing of carry in national parks was added to the credit card reform package which Obama pushed for. He was forced into allowing concealed carry in national parks or else he would have had to veto his credit card reform act.


As to Amtrack, Senator Roger Wicker (R) of Miss attached the amendment to allow weapons as checked baggage as part of a $1.5 billion transportation funding bill. The amendment passed the senate 68-30
Obama had nothing to do with this.

On the other hand Obama ordered that 850,000 M1s from Korea not be imported for sale to US residents (such as through the CMP).
Clinton blocked sales of M1s from Phillipeans, Turkey and Pakistan

Yet Reagan allowed 200,000 M1s from South Korea.

And the guns that were blocked by Obama were GIVEN to Korea. so...m parents and grandparents tax dollars were used to build these rifles for the government to give to a foreign country and now they are not allowed back in for me to enjoy.

Let us also not forget the recent executive privilege regarding fast and furious. More than likely those documents would implicate Obama in the scandal. I can only hope one day we find out the truth.
I believe fast and furious was a program Obama saw as a way to enact gun control if it was seen that "illegal" guns were being used by drug traffickers and cartels to create chaos on the southern border.

But yeah...Obama has been great to us gun owners so far...

[Ridge]

The State Dept banned the importation, not Obama himself.

Reagan also allowed amnesty for illegal aliens.

It's almost as if political decisions don't always fall neatly within party lines.

I'm not liking either candidate right now. We'll see what the debates do for my opinion.

[sniper7]

"He only hits me cuz he loves me"

I'm not holding my breath for romeny, or obama. Sometimes I think you guys hate obama so much you'll side with anyone that's not him. That's as dumb as voting for someone Because he's black.

I'm not jumping for joy over Romeny being the next Reagan...because he is nowhere hear that. But I am realistic in what choices I have before me. Yes I will side for someone who is not obama, because that is the only realistic choice in front of me. A third party candidate will not win. IF Romney wins, it will be nowhere near a landslide, it will be close, probably Kerry/Bush close.
I could care less about the candidates race, religion or sexual preference, I care about my personal rights and the future for my child.

[Mazin]

I'm just as worried as you and others that he is sitting on gun control until his second term. IF he does push gun control it won't be until he is re-elected, he knows he needs independent votes of gun owners. So far though, the facts show he has loosened the gun control laws as President.

What do you think is going to get him re-elected? I'm waiting for the O's new election theme. The timing is too perfect for him so now he can come out and make all libs squeal for joy publicly so he no longer has to go "Under the radar" for AWB's.

[sniper7]

The State Dept banned the importation, not Obama himself.

Reagan also allowed amnesty for illegal aliens.

It's almost as if political decisions don't always fall neatly within party lines.

I'm not liking either candidate right now. We'll see what the debates do for my opinion.

I hear Romeny is a Brony. That should sway you[ROFL1]

[Great-Kazoo]

Guys, meds or not, ridge and rjlou, you're harshing my mellow.
Really, anything O signed loosening laws were due to riders attached. Neither GOP or DEM is innocent regarding 2A infringement. Whether we maintain and or increase numbers in the house & senate, the prez still has pick of the litter when it comes to naming the next SCJ.

[Clint45]

Let us also not forget the recent executive privilege regarding fast and furious. More than likely those documents would implicate Obama in the scandal. I can only hope one day we find out the truth.
I believe fast and furious was a program Obama saw as a way to enact gun control if it was seen that "illegal" guns were being used by drug traffickers and cartels to create chaos on the southern border.

If that is true, those documents would be classified Top Secret, which means they could neither be subject to subpoena or FOIA and would not be declassified for at least 20 years . . . under the guise of "national security." By then all the involved parties would be retired from public service, if not deceased.

[sniper7]

If that is true, those documents would be classified Top Secret, which means they could neither be subject to subpoena or FOIA and would not be declassified for at least 20 years . . . under the guise of "national security." By then all the involved parties would be retired from public service, if not deceased.

I am pretty sure...no...I am positive Obama said he would be the most open president this country has ever seen.

yep...even says it right on the white house website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. That begins with taking comments and questions from you, the public, through our website.

[RJLou]

apparently you don't understand how those were passed into law.

The national parks allowing concealed weapons was an executive order or "11th hour" decision by Bush Jr.

Obama worked to overturn that decision and it was put on hold thanks to a federal judge decision.

Ultimately the allowing of carry in national parks was added to the credit card reform package which Obama pushed for. He was forced into allowing concealed carry in national parks or else he would have had to veto his credit card reform act.


As to Amtrack, Senator Roger Wicker (R) of Miss attached the amendment to allow weapons as checked baggage as part of a $1.5 billion transportation funding bill. The amendment passed the senate 68-30
Obama had nothing to do with this.



Obviously you don't know how a presidential veto works. It doesn't matter if it passed 68-30 the first time. He still could have sent it back, if it was the voted for again by a 2/3 majority then it would become law regardless of his approval/signature... he signed both bills the first time.

[cofi]

We should make a new thread for the Romney obama bullshit Imo they both suck ass

[Adawg38]

Man I have been arguing the last 2 days on fb and with people I know about our 2nd A rights because they don't think we need to own an Assault Rifle as they say. I think whomever becomes President will listen to the louder side so we just need to make sure we are louder than the anti gun.

[Goodburbon]

I was subjected to the endless droning of the media for my 8 hour drive home yesterday.

I had to change the channel quite frequently, as it was making me physically Ill with all of the posturing and ridiculous questions.

How did he come to own so many guns?
can someone own that many guns legally?
is an AR-15 legal?
"he had an assault weapon"
He purchased the guns legally in a store, but bought thousands of rounds of ammunition online so he wouldn't raise any red flags.
High capacity CLIPS... over and over and over again.
Reporters insisting on discussing motive, after the chief (captain high capacity clip) made it clear that was off limits for discussion.

Like I said, I actually flipped to the hits channel to listen to carly rae jeppesn tell me to call her maybe over and over, just so I didn't have to stomach the inaccuracies and the obvious gun control overtures.

[jackthewall81]

I was subjected to the endless droning of the media for my 8 hour drive home yesterday.

I had to change the channel quite frequently, as it was making me physically Ill with all of the posturing and ridiculous questions.

How did he come to own so many guns?
can someone own that many guns legally?
is an AR-15 legal?
"he had an assault weapon"
He purchased the guns legally in a store, but bought thousands of rounds of ammunition online so he wouldn't raise any red flags.
High capacity CLIPS... over and over and over again.
Reporters insisting on discussing motive, after the chief (captain high capacity clip) made it clear that was off limits for discussion.

Like I said, I actually flipped to the hits channel to listen to carly rae jeppesn tell me to call her maybe over and over, just so I didn't have to stomach the inaccuracies and the obvious gun control overtures.
You should check out 106.7. Willie B is pro-gun and was discussing the implications of this on our freedoms. It is definitely a more right leaning, rational station. It is also modern rock and metal station, if you don't mind.

[jackthewall81]

Man I have been arguing the last 2 days on fb and with people I know about our 2nd A rights because they don't think we need to own an Assault Rifle as they say. I think whomever becomes President will listen to the louder side so we just need to make sure we are louder than the anti gun.

That will be hard. They are like 2 year olds who throw temper tantrums.

[Ah Pook]

At least the thread stayed on topic for 443 posts. [Shock] [Roll1]

[sniper7]

You should check out 106.7. Willie B is pro-gun and was discussing the implications of this on our freedoms. It is definitely a more right leaning, rational station. It is also modern rock and metal station, if you don't mind.

Uncle Nasty is as well. Listened to him take some calls yesterday and was impressed.

His words: "An armed society is a safe society".

[sniper7]

Obviously you don't know how a presidential veto works. It doesn't matter if it passed 68-30 the first time. He still could have sent it back, if it was the voted for again by a 2/3 majority then it would become law regardless of his approval/signature... he signed both bills the first time.

He signed the credit card reform bill because it contained the new laws and regulations he was seeking. The rider for concealed carry in federal parks was something he was going to have to accept if he wanted his reform carried out quickly. I am fully aware of how the system works

Your first post already shows your ignorance of the system and Obama, if you are proposing that Obama is pro-2nd, I suggest you start a new thread in the political forum and let us know your thoughts along with factual evidence that supports those thoughts. I'll be waiting to see it there and will be happy to continue this discussion there. This has gone off topic long enough.

[RJLou]

He signed the credit card reform bill because it contained the new laws and regulations he was seeking. The rider for concealed carry in federal parks was something he was going to have to accept if he wanted his reform carried out quickly. I am fully aware of how the system works

Your first post already shows your ignorance of the system and Obama, if you are proposing that Obama is pro-2nd, I suggest you start a new thread in the political forum and let us know your thoughts along with factual evidence that supports those thoughts. I'll be waiting to see it there and will be happy to continue this discussion there. This has gone off topic long enough.

I'm not proposing he is pro 2a. My opinion, based on his first term as PRESIDENT, is that it wasn't a major issue for him, yet. I don't believe the same will be the case in a second term, since there is no threat of not being re-elected. As previously stated, I worry as much as the next gun owner he will push for gun-control in a second term, but you will hear nothing of it until then. He doesn't care how angry liberals, democrats and progressives are with him now about gun control. You, I and he can guarantee they are not going to vote for Romney or any republican.

[xring]

This shooting has really saddened me. Its a difficult time for gun owners because the media is saying the violent criminal who perpetrated this is a gun owner. You dont want to be a strong advocate for gun ownership because it seems disrespectful to the victims.

I am a gunowner and I feel the victims pain strongly. I have been a victim of a violent crime, no I havnt been through the hell they went through but a half a brick upside the head and stitches is no fun. Im no saint but I am a decent human being I didnt deserve that.

Over the years I have known several women who were victims of rape. Rape seems to be more common than you would be led to believe IMHO. They all seemed to struggle to figure out why their model of the word didnt fit any more. A percentage of them came to this conclusion, I am a decent human being, I didnt deserve to be raped, and Im not going to let it happen again. Those that purchased a firearm and trained with it, well you wouldnt want to try to rape them now. Beyond that, now they have a model to work with where they know who they are. Not all made that decision and thats their right. One of the great things about firearm ownership is that only a percentage of the population needs to be armed in order for relative safety to be established for all.

This to me is a very basic right. To say I am a decent human being and I dont deserve to be raped, assaulted or murdered. This right transcends race, gender or economics. Those who would deny this right are no friend of the victim. The perpetrator of this crime was not a gun owner ,he was a violent criminal who obtained guns. Gun owners are protectors of the non violent human beings in this world. I am a gun owner and had I been present at this crime and armed I would hope I would have the courage to fight the perpetrator until one of us was unable to continue. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this crime.

[Fentonite]

This shooting has really saddened me. Its a difficult time for gun owners because the media is saying the violent criminal who perpetrated this is a gun owner. You dont want to be a strong advocate for gun ownership because it seems disrespectful to the victims.

I am a gunowner and I feel the victims pain strongly. I have been a victim of a violent crime, no I havnt been through the hell they went through but a half a brick upside the head and stitches is no fun. Im no saint but I am a decent human being I didnt deserve that.

Over the years I have known several women who were victims of rape. Rape seems to be more common than you would be led to believe IMHO. They all seemed to struggle to figure out why their model of the word didnt fit any more. A percentage of them came to this conclusion, I am a decent human being, I didnt deserve to be raped, and Im not going to let it happen again. Those that purchased a firearm and trained with it, well you wouldnt want to try to rape them now. Beyond that, now they have a model to work with where they know who they are. Not all made that decision and thats their right. One of the great things about firearm ownership is that only a percentage of the population needs to be armed in order for relative safety to be established for all.

This to me is a very basic right. To say I am a decent human being and I dont deserve to be raped, assaulted or murdered. This right transcends race, gender or economics. Those who would deny this right are no friend of the victim. The perpetrator of this crime was not a gun owner ,he was a violent criminal who obtained guns. Gun owners are protectors of the non violent human beings in this world. I am a gun owner and had I been present at this crime and armed I would hope I would have the courage to fight the perpetrator until one of us was unable to continue. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this crime.

Well said. Thank you.

[Buckaroobonsai]

Actually seeing faces makes it even harder...

http://www.9news.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/photogallery/278897/master-memorial-640x360.jpg

[RJLou]

Man I have been arguing the last 2 days on fb and with people I know about our 2nd A rights because they don't think we need to own an Assault Rifle as they say. I think whomever becomes President will listen to the louder side so we just need to make sure we are louder than the anti gun.

Same here. Stats I pulled from wikipedia, fbi reports and cdc websites

In 2010,
8,775 Homicides in were gun related out of 300 million guns

‎32,788 Deaths total related driving out of 254 million cars

Out of those 32,788
10,839 Deaths related to DRUNK driving out of 254 million cars

There are more guns than cars in the US. Cars with drunk drivers kill 1.23 times more people per year Cars in general kill almost 4 times as many people per year. I think we need to discuss car control first.

[RJLou]

Actually seeing faces makes it even harder...

http://www.9news.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/photogallery/278897/master-memorial-640x360.jpg

Wow, it does. Thanks for that buck, I've been avoiding the news today. This made my heart drop again like when I first heard the news yesterday morning

[dwalker460]

One of the 12, Matthew McQuinn, has been tentatively identified and is awaiting final identification, though his family's attorney confirmed to The Associated Press that McQuinn was among those killed.

Rob Scott of Dayton, Ohio, said McQuinn died after diving in front of his girlfriend and her older brother to shield them from the gunfire.

Lets just go ahead and replace "victim" with HERO for this young man, Ok?

[Adawg38]

Lets just go ahead and replace "victim" with HERO for this young man, Ok?

That was a pretty heroic and amazing thing for someone to do. I am watching the news now and it sounds like they almost have the whole apt room disarmed of bombs. NOT gonna get 1 more life like he hoped to get pos.

[Fentonite]

Seeing their faces both saddens and infuriates me. What an AS$#@£€!!! An evil thief who stole their future from them, stole them from their families, and stole their societal contributions from all of us. Rob Scott, A man who threw himself in harm's way to save others, is quite a loss (as are all the victims). RIP.

[sniper7]

Very sad to see the pictures. Seeing their pictures definitely brings it home. may they rest in peace

[Ridge]

Warner Bros studios in California today:

http://i.imgur.com/zjI4r.jpg

[Adawg38]

They said Jon Blunk also gave his life to save his girlfriend.

[RCCrawler]

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

[dwalker460]

It was actually McQuinn who covered others with his own body during the shooting. Life is pretty short as it is, death comes to us all, no avoiding it, McQuinn deserves our respect and admiration as one who in the final moments of life did the best he could with what he had.

[RCCrawler]

Breaking news, police now looking for 2nd suspect.

http://kdvr.com/2012/07/21/police-looking-for-second-person-of-interest-in-theater-shooting/

[Ridge]

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

I can't tell if you're serious about this or not...

[sniper7]

Breaking news, police now looking for 2nd suspect.

http://kdvr.com/2012/07/21/police-looking-for-second-person-of-interest-in-theater-shooting/

Wow I wonder if there was someone who opened the door for him afterall.

[Skully]

I can't tell if you're serious about this or not...


That was interesting? Not sure I believe all of it, but some interesting " theories"....... Makes you wonder though? Sometimes things appear so simple that they are very complicated or vice versa.........

[GilpinGuy]

Not sure if this was posted before and I haven't heard anyone speculate about it.

Anyone else think Holmes deliberately rigged his apartment as a diversion? He had the music start blaring at midnight, right when the movie was starting. If someone opened his door (neighbor, cops, etc.) shortly after midnight, the place would have blown and emergency services would have been focused on that before he started his rampage. He would have been able to go on and on before they showed up.

Maybe the cops caught him outside the theater because he went out for more ammo, but luckily, his place wasn't in flames and they were available immediately.

100% speculation of course, but why else would he rig his apartment with explosives and have the music come on at midnight? Of course he's deranged, so who the hell knows.

[trlcavscout]

Not sure if this was posted before and I haven't heard anyone speculate about it.

Anyone else think Holmes deliberately rigged his apartment as a diversion? He had the music start blaring at midnight, right when the movie was starting. If someone opened his door (neighbor, cops, etc.) shortly after midnight, the place would have blown and emergency services would have been focused on that before he started his rampage. He would have been able to go on and on before they showed up.

Maybe the cops caught him outside the theater because he went out for more ammo, but luckily, his place wasn't in flames and they were available immediately.

100% speculation of course, but why else would he rig his apartment with explosives and have the music come on at midnight? Of course he's deranged, so who the hell knows.

Thats what i have thought all along as well. Get a uniform to show up for a noise complaint and enter, all units would be tied up and he could spread out his rampage.

[rtr]

CBS news made this speculation on their Friday PM newscast. Seems to make sense. His downstairs neighbor went up to the apartment and knocked on the door. She the turned the handle and found it unlocked but decided not to open the door.



Not sure if this was posted before and I haven't heard anyone speculate about it.

Anyone else think Holmes deliberately rigged his apartment as a diversion? He had the music start blaring at midnight, right when the movie was starting. If someone opened his door (neighbor, cops, etc.) shortly after midnight, the place would have blown and emergency services would have been focused on that before he started his rampage. He would have been able to go on and on before they showed up.

Maybe the cops caught him outside the theater because he went out for more ammo, but luckily, his place wasn't in flames and they were available immediately.

100% speculation of course, but why else would he rig his apartment with explosives and have the music come on at midnight? Of course he's deranged, so who the hell knows.

[Mick-Boy]

That was interesting? Not sure I believe all of it, but some interesting " theories"....... Makes you wonder though? Sometimes things appear so simple that they are very complicated or vice versa.........


There is so much simply wrong information in there that I can't take any of the "theories" seriously.

You don't need special access to government supply depots to get body armor or gas masks. You need a surplus store.

You don't need to be highly trained to make explosive and incendiary devices. You need a basic understanding of chemistry and a hardware store.

You don't need to be highly funded to get the weapons and ammunition used. You need a credit card you aren't worrying about paying off.

You don't need a government conspiracy to murder people in a movie theater. You need one psychopath with a willingness to kill the innocent and a plan.

Homeboy needs to loosen his tinfoil. I'm disappointed to see something like that posted here. Next, are we going to start talking about how 9/11 was an inside job planned by Bush?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Our Southern neighbor chimed in...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Mexico_urges_U.S._to_review_gun_laws_after_Colorad o_shooting.html?cid=33157824


Jul 21, 2012 - 21:40
Mexico urges U.S. to review gun laws after Colorado shooting

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican President Felipe Calderon condemned U.S. gun laws as "mistaken" and urged Washington to review them after a shooter killed 12 people and injured more than 50 others at a U.S. movie theatre on Friday.

In comments posted on his Twitter account on Saturday, Calderon offered his condolences to the United States after a gunman went on the rampage with an assault rifle at a midnight premier of the new Batman film in Aurora, Colorado.

But Mexico's president, who has repeatedly called on Washington to tighten gun controls to stop weapons flowing from the United States into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, said U.S. weapons policy needed a rethink after the killings.

"Because of the Aurora, Colorado tragedy, the American Congress must review its mistaken legislation on guns. It's doing damage to us all," Calderon said.

The presidency of Calderon, who leaves office at the end of November, has been overshadowed by his efforts to crack down on the drug gangs. Fighting among the cartels and their clashes with the state have killed more than 55,000 people since 2007.

In February, Calderon appealed to the United States to halt the flow of arms by unveiling a massive sign on the Mexican-U.S. border reading "No More Weapons!" The letters on the billboard in the city of Ciudad Juarez were made of recycled guns seized by security forces.

Calderon has also urged Washington to revive a ban on assault weapons in the United States that expired in 2004.

(Reporting By Dave Graham; Editing by Eric Walsh)

Reuters

Who are they joking? They have much stricter gun control laws in place and we know how safe it is there.

[02ducky]

^^ +1
He obviously hasn't seen the chainsaw video. What a screwed up country Mexico is. Clean your own back yard before you say anything ya jerk. Calderon is a moron

[XC700116]

There is so much simply wrong information in there that I can't take any of the "theories" seriously.

You don't need special access to government supply depots to get body armor or gas masks. You need a surplus store.

You don't need to be highly trained to make explosive and incendiary devices. You need a basic understanding of chemistry and a hardware store.

You don't need to be highly funded to get the weapons and ammunition used. You need a credit card you aren't worrying about paying off.

You don't need a government conspiracy to murder people in a movie theater. You need one psychopath with a willingness to kill the innocent and a plan.

Homeboy needs to loosen his tinfoil. I'm disappointed to see something like that posted here. Next, are we going to start talking about how 9/11 was an inside job planned by Bush?

All I'm going to say is,




THANK YOU


for saving my breath.

[XC700116]

^^ +1
He obviously hasn't seen the chainsaw video. What a screwed up country Mexico is. Clean your own back yard before you say anything ya jerk. Calderon is a moron

Exactly, How many massacres have happened in his country on his watch? Fawking Hypocrite of the highest order. [Bang]